Game Day 2022 AFL Draft thread.....

[dazbroncos]

We usually do a GD Draft thread to keep the stuff out if the Drafting and trading thread.

WE will close that one for now and reopen after the draft.

Ive copied the last 25 posts over to keep the chat going.

All Draft talk in here now please.

GO Catters

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

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Yep... In the VFL

Cooper averaged 15dpg in the AFL in 60% game time.

He'll do well at Hawthorn.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

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Cooper averaged 15dpg in the AFL in 60% game time.

He'll do well at Hawthorn.

Well... He should, they are a bottom 4 side without any mids.
We won't lose any sleep on letting him go for Ollie.
We've bettered/bolstered the side with an immediate starting calibre player with that trade.

 

[thejester]

Bit like Selwood and Atkins then.

Leg speed would have to be the most overrated trait in our game.

Selwood was a state athletics champion - he's not blindingly quick but he's not slow, and neither is Atkins. Certainly faster than (say) Horlin-Smith and Constable, two guys who dominated at VFL level but couldn't stick in the seniors because they lacked acceleration in their first few strides.

FWIW I don't think that is Knevitt's particular issue. He looked nowhere near it in the VFL in the back half of the year. Given he was competent in his debut I hope that just reflects lack of fitness (understandable after two COVID-interrupted seasons) and the fact the whole side was a basket case.

 

[Lana]

Convenient.

They require clubs to provide their top 10 lists prior to the event

 

[Kitcat]

They require clubs to provide their top 10 lists prior to the event

That is very sensitive information, particularly if it is in order of preference.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Some players we have been linked to tonight:

Joe Richards – 22yrs – MID – 175cm

Cam Owen – 18yrs – RUC – 203cm

Phoenix Foster – 18yrs – RUC/FWD – 197cm

Jovan Petric – 18yrs – FWD – 196cm

Mitch Szybkowski – 18yrs – MID – 186cm

Billy Dowling – 18yrs – MID – 187cm

Archie Lovelock – 17yrs – MID – 178cm

Frank Szekely – 23yrs – UTIL – 177cm

Will Verrall – 18yrs – RUC/FWD – 199cm

Richards will be gone and szybkowski might be but the rest should be there.

Id like ethan phillips personally if he gets through which he prob wont.

 

[you pick one]

I hope I'm wrong too obviously but I just think he's slow with no tricks.

I've seen nothing of Knevitt but being slow is not what I'd have expected give this wright up pre draft.

testing results at the recent AFL Vic Country Draft Combine where he finished in the top few for both the 20m sprint and 2km time trial.

Surely they weren't all snails.What's his strength and ground work like?

 

[D BRIDGE]

Knevitt pre-draft write up at the bottom... Obviously seeing things with your own eyes in games takes huge importance... but he has the athletic traits to turn into something. He just looks like a baby to me atm but could be the kind that it could all click for in a couple more years (or even longer).

Has speed 2.97s 20m sprint.
Has endurance.
Has height for a mid.
Has a spring and overhead marking ability.

So yeah he is still a way off... but I look at him and at least think that he has traits that can come good in time.
When I look at guys like Stephens, Horlin-Smith, Constable, Kroeger... I just don't/didn't see the potential upside that could be worth the wait (they are what they are... plodders/fringe players).
I see something in Knevitt (although it's far from fully developed)... It doesn’t mean he'll make it... But it just buys way more time for me before writing him off as I do with others.
Holmes didn't use his speed at all until midway through this year.
I'm very happy to let Knevitt develop and take more time.
We have a stack of youngish inside players that will still be around in a few more years... Parf, Atkins, Bowes, Bruhn, Willis, Clark.
The cupboard of taller outside types that can mark will be very bare in a couple of years though when Touhy, Duncan, Smith, Danger... even Menegola & Guthrie are gone... Holmes is the only sure thing for the future as an outside player.
Knevitt/Dempsey are just about all there is on the list as potentials in that bracket... They gotta be given time because there's just nothing else (fingers crossed for Mullin).




Mitch Knevitt is a tall, big-bodied young gun whose work is centred around endurance and dominating the midfield. Knevitt has brutal power and an aerial capability that would also see him put to good use in the forward line.

His work rate is unquestioned, having starred at the Draft Combine - finishing among the top names for speed (20m sprint) and endurance (2km time trial). A height of 194cm, alongside such athleticism, Knevitt frames as a damaging prospect.

The Falcons best and fairest winner also has a superb contested marking ability and immense strength, meaning he can defeat opponents one-on-one.

Knevitt looks to be a prospect who is too strong for a smaller opponent and too quick for a bigger opponent.

 

[BigCat1]

Already seen some incorrect Media reports on Bruhn. Officially it was pick 21 for Bruhn. Great deal

As a side note how shambolic was the giants off-season.

Absolutely completely torched pick 12 which was the main piece of the Taranto trade to move from pick 3 to 1. They would have got Cadman anyway at 3.

Then the utter embarrassment in that they actually traded both pick 21 this year and their F2 next year (23) to trade up to #15 this year which then got swallowed up by the Rowston bid. Ie completely binned a F2 pick currently #23.

They are a complete and utter basket case.

 

[Two Planks]

Mick Ablett talking up Northam on Sen

 

[you pick one]

Richards will be gone and szybkowski might be but the rest should be there.

Id like ethan phillips personally if he gets through which he prob wont.

I'm still hopeing for Will Verrall as a project player.

 

[00VicWard001]

Probably another reason we grabbed Clark. There are intangibles such as friendship that work in your favour when you trade for players in future. Worked for Caddy, Prestia, Hopper, Taranto, Bhetts/Stengle and a host of others over the years.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Already seen some incorrect Media reports on Bruhn. Officially it was pick 21 for Bruhn. Great deal

As a side note how shambolic was the giants off-season.

Absolutely completely torched pick 12 which was the main piece of the Taranto trade to move from pick 3 to 1. They would have got Cadman anyway at 3.

Then the utter embarrassment in that they actually traded both pick 21 this year and their F2 next year (23) to trade up to #15 this year which then got swallowed up by the Rowston bid. Ie completely binned a F2 pick currently #23.

They are a complete and utter basket case.

To be fair trading up in this draft given the lack of depth was the right call. But they should have let rowston go and not matched.

 

[BigCat1]

To be fair trading up in this draft given the lack of depth was the right call. But they should have let rowston go and not matched.

How could it possibly be the "right call". They were literally guaranteed to have a choice of either Cadman or Wardlaw at 3. They also knew that neither WCE or Nth wanted Cadman. WCE needed the Giants to facilitate that trade otherwise they weren't doing anything. So in the end history will show they sacrificed Busslinger for the less than 5% chance that Cadman was gone or by some mircale that either of Nth or WCE found another partner with multiple first round capital. We saw with Essendon that basically was nobody. Their booby prize was Wardlaw at an absolute worst case

They literally completed wiped out an early Future 2nd by arrogantly trading early with the other selections. Another management blunder. No if, but's or maybe's.

Its was a perfect clustef#$.

 

[Jemaine]

He's got more than just a couple of tickets. He goes to the pub with his mates, they order beers, he pulls out a jug of his own bathwater and chugs that.

It's great to have confidence in your own ability. The problem for him is that he's shown signs of crossing the line from confidence into full-blown ego, and that's a massive red flag for a 17yo kid who's frankly done NOTHING in football yet, and is about to walk into a professional club environment full of experienced pros who have actual runs on the board. If he wants to get the most out of his talent, he needs to be humble and try to learn as much as he possibly can from them. If he lets his ego gets in the way of that, like for example cracking the sh*ts if he ends up in the VFL for a few weeks, he's screwed.

Fair enough. Are there documented examples of this that you can point me to or is it mainly big footy conjecture?

(Not being a smartarse, I'm serious - I really haven't paid that much attention since trade week).

 

[D BRIDGE]

To be fair trading up in this draft given the lack of depth was the right call. But they should have let rowston go and not matched.

If Rowston turns out a gun, they made the correct call.
If Rowston turns out no good, they made the wrong call (also depends on who they would have choosen if not matching the bid and only they know who that would be).

It just takes a few years to really know if the correct call was made or not though.

Same with Clark over Ginbey or the Poo or anyone in that range... If Clark turns out just average and Ginbey turns into Fyfe, I'll be saying we got it wrong.

Strategically/Mathematically/Mentally is a way at looking at things but in the end, all that matters is if the kid you picked is better than the other kid you were gonna pick.

Anyway we know clubs trade back picks in drafts when they think it's a bit close to where the FS or NGA player might get bid on... GWS had pick round about where Rowston could be picked... So it's kinda like playing with fire.

You run the risk of this happening if you don't trade way back or into the future.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

If Rowston turns out a gun, they made the correct call.
If Rowston turns out no good, they made the wrong call (also depends on who they would have choosen if not matching the bid and only they know who that would be).

It just takes a few years to really know if the correct call was made or not though.

Same with Clark over Ginbey or the Poo or anyone in that range... If Clark turns out just average and Ginbey turns into Fyfe, I'll be saying we got it wrong.

Strategically/Mathematically/Mentally is a way at looking at things but in the end, all that matters is if the kid you picked is better than the other kid you were gonna pick.

Anyway we know clubs trade back picks in drafts when they think it's a bit close to where the FS or NGA player might get bid on... GWS had pick round about where Rowston could be picked... So it's kinda like playing with fire.

You run the risk of this happening if you don't trade way back or into the future.

It all means nothing at the end of the day, but it is good to see the vast majority on board with our pick of Clark too.

Compared to other boards we’re doing quite well on that from. WCE 50/50 at best on Ginbey, Similar story with Dons and Tstatas. Saints over the moon with Phillipou though.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I want him too but i reckon he goes before then.

I haven’t seen him linked specifically to any clubs in the media. Always harder to predict later picks and mature picked even more.
It doesn’t seem he’ll go in the second round as there are a lot of higher ranked players available there.
I think it’s unlikely he ends up with us but just as likely he doesn’t get drafted at all or maybe a rookie spot.

We seem linked with tall or small forwards which would be disappointing to me if we don’t get a defender.
I’d actually really like us to pick up a couple of defenders through the draft and rookies spots as I think our list really needs that.

 

[BigCat1]

Late pick night!!. Could be absolutely anybody with Wellsy. Esp as we are one and done. He has a pretty high hit rate but generally never picks a Bigfooty favourite.

I note with interest that in an interview on Monday Mitch Szybkowski said that Geel and Haw had spoken to him the most. Geez I liked his National Games on Foxtel.

I know we have other needs but if he’s available hopefully we can find a few talls in the rookie draft. Herald Sun saying Van Es will be long gone before our pick.

Prob more importantly hopefully nobody bids on Ted Clohesy. If a bid comes then we have a very difficult decision. If we match our National draft is over there and then. We have a few clubs that wouldn’t be on our Xmas card list at the minute.

 

[year of the cat]

Late pick night!!. Could be absolutely anybody with Wellsy. Esp as we are one and done. He has a pretty high hit rate but generally never picks a Bigfooty favourite.

I note with interest that in an interview on Monday Mitch Szybkowski said that Geel and Haw had spoken to him the most. Geez I liked his National Games on Foxtel.

I know we have other needs but if he’s available hopefully we can find a few talls in the rookie draft. Herald Sun saying Van Es will be long gone before our pick.

Prob more importantly hopefully nobody bids on Ted Clohesy. If a bid comes then we have a very difficult decision. If we match our National draft is over there and then. We have a few clubs that wouldn’t be on our Xmas card list at the minute.

Not sure that Szybkowski is really a priority. We have a stack of young midfield talent now. I’d be just having a throw at the stumps at a project tall.

 

[D BRIDGE]

It all means nothing at the end of the day, but it is good to see the vast majority on board with our pick of Clark too.

Compared to other boards we’re doing quite well on that from. WCE 50/50 at best on Ginbey, Similar story with Dons and Tstatas. Saints over the moon with Phillipou though.

Yes it's nice to feel content straight after the draft (doesn't happen often)... We probably were going to feel it no matter who we took because it was such a bonus pick after dominating the GF.

I'll swap feeling content straight after the draft and working out that we made a bad call in a few years for feeling dirty straight after the draft but learning that the player I was dirty on picking up is a champion every day of the week.

Saying that has nothing to do with Clark either, I just want to pick good players as much as possible and it really takes time for them to prove that they are (plenty have been rated huge in their draft years and been busts).

But yep... we are certainly content atm... Clark may very well be a champion... Time will tell though and it's really like that for every player.

P.S - I will say that I said I didn't want Clark, but that was more if Humprey/Tsatas were a live option... They weren't so I'll happily live with Clark.

 

[CatRiot]

Sheesh! You've just put a line thru Wellsy's 2021 draft after a year to the day... bar Conway who is probably another 3 seasons away.
Big Big call... Must admit I Don't see... Yet.

Just mainly think Kroeger and Willis might be injury prone types. Simpson, not sure with his concussions too. Knevitt, I'm not sure will make it, happy to be proven wrong on all of those tbh. Maybe Knevitt should play a high half forward, like a centre half forward if he can bulk up, because he would be good on the lead and marks very good, don't think his agility is that great for a midfielder, but still early days.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Just mainly think Kroeger and Willis might be injury prone types. Simpson, not sure with his concussions too. Knevitt, I'm not sure will make it, happy to be proven wrong on all of those tbh. Maybe Knevitt should play a high half forward, like a centre half forward if he can bulk up, because he would be good on the lead and marks very good, don't think his agility is that great for a midfielder, but still early days.

Kroeger, Whyte and Willis are virtually new recruits next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to offer.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Clark looks very good. One thing, and I mean this in the nicest way, if he's to be captain one day he might need to practice his public speaking.

It was good to be reminded by someone somewhere that while he's only 181c, the great P Chapman was 179!

Further ....

It's too soon to write off the 2021 draftees; we've hardly seen some of them. And Wells/ Mackie must have seen something in them. Did we see Atkins as a future premiership mid when he was running round in the VFL for years?

As for tonight's pick, we've surely got enough mids/flankers competing for spots now. We should go for a speculative tall and/or defender IMO.

 

[Cataholic]

How many picks get done tonight?