List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft

[davesnothere]

Scouting notes from WAFL Colts week 1.

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[davesnothere]

Would love Sheezel out of anyone in this draft doubt his there with our pick. Have also heard he will go straight home after 2 years.

I'd back us to keep him if he slides.

 

[davesnothere]

Hope we

You asked why he was so highly touted, go watch the game again.

Pace and defensive work rate, has built a very impressive, powerful frame.

Highly touted and resilience don’t go hand in hand. He could very well be our next Bowen Lockwood

Bulging disc with Bowen?

Was that an impact injury?

 

[Sleezy]

Apparently, Skimmer did have a standout Preseason, had a floor of Zero so anything was better than he had punched out the previous. McIntee played two very impressive games at the backend of the season and became a first 18 selection. I don’t see your point?

I guess I just don't understand how Skinner can both have an outstanding preseason and go backwards as a footballer. He was worse this year than last.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that we spent all summer pumping up these fringe players as stepping up, then going on to play like arse and go 0-5.

It indicates to me that what actually happened is our senior players had their fingers up their butt for some reason (see internal trial where SPP almost single handedly matched the best 22), our spuds looked like they'd bridged the gap when really our best 22 had regressed, and we didn't realise until we actually had to play someone else. And by then it was too late.

 

[robbo1981]

Bulging disc with Bowen?

Was that an impact injury?

His not in a good way now the club totally mismanaged his injury poor bastard.

 

[RangaInTeal]

I guess I just don't understand how Skinner can both have an outstanding preseason and go backwards as a footballer. He was worse this year than last.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that we spent all summer pumping up these fringe players as stepping up, then going on to play like arse and go 0-5.

It indicates to me that what actually happened is our senior players had their fingers up their butt for some reason (see internal trial where SPP almost single handedly matched the best 22), our spuds looked like they'd bridged the gap when really our best 22 had regressed, and we didn't realise until we actually had to play someone else. And by then it was too late.

We were not fit, that was evident. Stu Graham I think has a lot to answer for!

 

[RangaInTeal]

Bulging disc with Bowen?

Was that an impact injury?

Just, an elite talent that is destroyed by injury.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

We were not fit, that was evident. Stu Graham I think has a lot to answer for!

The search for our next head of high performance after McKeown left was exhaustive, exhaustive I tells ya.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Tangent incoming.

The drafting of Sinn was fine. He has some nice high level traits and potential star power with his break away speed and power. Go big or go home is a reasonable strategy in drafting teens picks in my opinion.

I'd even say in isolation the trading for Sinn was fine. If you really like a player and think they are significantly better than the alternative, then trading away pick 26 and Ladhams to achieve that is fine. The alternative in Sinn's case was probably a guy like Angus Sheldrick or Wilmot and I don't particularly rate either or see either as needs (early days!).

The major problem with Sinn was doing all this under significant uncertainty. Sinn played what, maybe 5 full games in the space of 2 years? We were basing everything off his U16's form 2 years ago.

And that is what is dangerous. A good example is Lemmey this year. If Lemmey hadn't played in the past year (as a result of something not specific to him, like a COVID lockdown) then he probably gets taken in the top 10 of this National Draft. His underage form was outstanding. As it turned out, his draft age form was terrible and now he might not even be drafted!

And there are plenty of other cases like that where players look like budding stars as an underage, play like crap in their draft year and then drop out of calculations. And there are plenty of situations in the reverse. History says it's dangerous to select players entirely off underage form. And we bet big on Sinn's underage form.

The counter argument of course is Rozee who we notably drafted largely off the back off of him being the best U16 player in Australia. However, at least with Rozee he showed something in his draft year with North Adelaide. The ceiling with Rozee was somewhat questionable but the floor was always going to be very high.

You can't say the same with Sinn. His floor is serious bust level.

 

[Blinky Nyland]

I guess I just don't understand how Skinner can both have an outstanding preseason and go backwards as a footballer. He was worse this year than last.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that we spent all summer pumping up these fringe players as stepping up, then going on to play like arse and go 0-5.

It indicates to me that what actually happened is our senior players had their fingers up their butt for some reason (see internal trial where SPP almost single handedly matched the best 22), our spuds looked like they'd bridged the gap when really our best 22 had regressed, and we didn't realise until we actually had to play someone else. And by then it was too late.

Someone on here suggested that Skinner couldn't manage the training loads at AFL level. I'm not sure if that is right but it is plausible.

 

[Macca19]

Tangent incoming.

The drafting of Sinn was fine. He has some nice high level traits and potential star power with his break away speed and power. Go big or go home is a reasonable strategy in drafting teens picks in my opinion.

I'd even say in isolation the trading for Sinn was fine. If you really like a player and think they are significantly better than the alternative, then trading away pick 26 and Ladhams to achieve that is fine. The alternative in Sinn's case was probably a guy like Angus Sheldrick or Wilmot and I don't particularly rate either or see either as needs (early days!).

The major problem with Sinn was doing all this under significant uncertainty. Sinn played what, maybe 5 full games in the space of 2 years? We were basing everything off his U16's form 2 years ago.

And that is what is dangerous. A good example is Lemmey this year. If Lemmey hadn't played in the past year (as a result of something not specific to him, like a COVID lockdown) then he probably gets taken in the top 10 of this National Draft. His underage form was outstanding. As it turned out, his draft age form was terrible and now he might not even be drafted!

And there are plenty of other cases like that where players look like budding stars as an underage, play like crap in their draft year and then drop out of calculations. And there are plenty of situations in the reverse. History says it's dangerous to select players entirely off underage form. And we bet big on Sinn's underage form.

The counter argument of course is Rozee who we notably drafted largely off the back off of him being the best U16 player in Australia. However, at least with Rozee he showed something in his draft year with North Adelaide. The ceiling with Rozee was somewhat questionable but the floor was always going to be very high.

You can't say the same with Sinn. His floor is serious bust level.

Pretty well everyone missed a year in his draft class due to covid.

There was nothing wrong with his drafting and he will prove a lot of people wrong next season

 

[afl2004]

Pretty well everyone missed a year in his draft class due to covid.

There was nothing wrong with his drafting and he will prove a lot of people wrong next season

Sinn instagram had him posting himself at every mcg final this year , he loves football, if he doesn't make it , it won't be from a lack of trying

 

[Macca19]

It would be exceptionally rare for a VM u16 captain, Sandringham Dragons captain to be a total bust.

Exceptionally rare.

 

[philthy05]

Pretty well everyone missed a year in his draft class due to covid.

There was nothing wrong with his drafting and he will prove a lot of people wrong next season

Do you have any concerns about his body?

As I said earlier, I love him as a player and I’ve always been confident of him making it, it’s his body that makes me nervous (same with butters)

I’m really big on him and his fit with our midfielders. Rozee butters sinn Bergman could be a very strong group imo.

 

[shewho]

Sinn was a massive gamble and we should know next year whether it was worth it. My guess is Sinn will be a star but we will have to be patient and let him have a couple of development years he missed out on due to Covid and op.

 

[Addy23]

Probably has been asked before but does anyone think Lemmey could play as a KPD at AFL level? I know he has the size and perhaps isn't in the top 40 prospects this year but it wouldn't hurt to pick him with a 3rd round pick? Given the choice between Van Es and Lemmey in the 3rd round, keen to hear who would be the preference.

 

[Long live PAFC]

So considering that lack of footy, for past groups and those who get injured like Brayden George, what do you select on? Ie is there a money ball attribute that correlates with success? Ie contested possessions, leadership, athletic attributes, resilience

Keen to hear everyone’s thoughts

 

[Macca19]

There was zero gamble in drafting Sinn

 

[davesnothere]

Probably has been asked before but does anyone think Lemmey could play as a KPD at AFL level? I know he has the size and perhaps isn't in the top 40 prospects this year but it wouldn't hurt to pick him with a 3rd round pick? Given the choice between Van Es and Lemmey in the 3rd round, keen to hear who would be the preference.

Lemmey will be a forward or bust.
His last month of football was pretty good and he is a forward. That 3rd pick we've got if he's still around I just don't think an 18 year old losses athletic ablitiy.

 

[Stevros]

People are whingeing we screwed it with sinn
But we took a similar gamble with georgiades. He missed a lot of football through injury but we went on his younger years and we got a gem. Sometimes you need to take the risk. Jack darling

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Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

was the same for west coast. Touted as best u/16 player in the country had some off field problems and dropped down orders and eagles took a good gamble

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

It's not the actual selection of Sinn that is the problem for me. If pick 12 was our natural pick I would've been over the moon to select him. It is the assets we gave up to get him in concert with the uncertainty of the outcome.

It is literally the definition of a gamble (and to be truthful, all draft picks are a gamble but Sinn was especially so). We paid a price to get an asset with uncertain utility.

 

[Port 2004]

There was zero gamble in drafting Sinn

I trust your judgement on this stuff Macca.

 

[Revan11]

It's not the actual selection of Sinn that is the problem for me. If pick 12 was our natural pick I would've been over the moon to select him. It is the assets we gave up to get him in concert with the uncertainty of the outcome.

It is literally the definition of a gamble (and to be truthful, all draft picks are a gamble but Sinn was especially so). We paid a price to get an asset with uncertain utility.

Looking at this years second round it could well be an astute gamble.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Looking at this years second round it could well be an astute gamble.

Quite possibly.

Last thing I'll say on Sinn.

His off-field is clearly very good. He loves the club, seemed to love the club before even being drafted and immediately signed an extension. He was so enamoured by the club pre-draft that it was almost like we promised to take him. Seems to have good standards off field. And has all the captaincy/leadership stuff as well.

That's all worth something. He seems like the type person who will leave it all on the field to be good and that probably gave the club quite a bit of confidence in drafting him in amongst all the uncertainty.

Looking forward to see him play (hopefully) a heap of football next year. I'm not expecting him to shoot the lights out given how much he has missed but it will good to see some of his weapons and some development because so far we haven't seen much.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

His draft highlights were pretty spectacular. I am not one for setting picks on fire as there is always someone left at your pick, but now that we have him, he clearly was hampered last year. OP completely destroys seasons. Looks to have everything needed to make it at AFL level. Speed, overhead mark, good kick, strong body with room for building it up, and off field maturity and discipline. The only way I can see him not making it is if he is completely cooked.

 

[Jonts]

There was zero gamble in drafting Sinn

This is just wrong

Its not a huge gamble but the club used a bit of capital to go get him, you can't ignore that.

I agree he has all the pieces but it was a gamble, you can argue how big and and educated until the cows come home.

Drafting is essentially gambling