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Saint Christopher

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Sep 12, 2012
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Essendon have *ed themselves through cheating, we've *ed ourselves through mediocrity.
Hey brother, I agree.
I can’t say I have ever felt this disconsolate about my STKFC. And I am a 50 yo supporter (and now former member) so I have seen some dark times—wooden spoons, diabolical trades and recruiting ( Russell Green, McCartin, for eg) and potential mergers etc.

I think that is probably because I feel a sense of time dwindling and a premiership still remote. We are neither last nor in peril but with every awful Board or recruiting decision I see stagnation, not ascent.

The board that has overseen mediocrity now for over a decade, and I concede there have been changes to its make-up, has now chosen to promote Rath and Lethlean and extend a seriously overwhelmed coach.

My feeling is that Ratten made a great Sergeant to Clarkson’s General and was the hands-on ‘relationships’ assistant while Clarko handled the serious game plan theory, hard conversations and motivation work.

Rath, at Hawthorn, I think was valued as the biomechanic whose principle theory was that left footers opened up more space on the field, this was reflected in their recruiting. He was also credited with being a futurist of the game, something I have no idea about, but never was he a game day or game plan strategist. As evidenced by the interview recently posted on here again (apologies to the poster), his sense of game plan is like improv theatre or jazz ballet, which is confusing as we basically do the same mindless things every week. But now I hear Lade thinks the players are to blame.

We also got the analytics guy from Hawthorn and I can’t see that has helped, but again, not my area of expertise.

The only thing Lethlean has done right is overrule the head recruiter to get King instead of Rozee (hmm, food for thought) and then to demote the head recruiter. He f#d up the Hill trade, gave them Acres basically just to stop having to backtrack and has failed to headhunt and hire the best recruiter available—we missed our chance with Dalrymple.

Like we missed our chance with Mitchell and now unbelievably, Clarkson. The man famous for aligning all aspects of the club into one pure vision. It is astonishing.

And perhaps worst of all our one anchor to a sustained premiership tilt, King, is being psychologically damaged. How his technique is still bad when we have a biomechanic on staff is beyond me and how we have devised a game plan that diminishes his strengths is disgraceful.

I see the repeat of the Richo era playing out again and I am afraid, like many in my ST.K loving family—literally my cousins and uncles and aunts, all of us who lived between Balaclava Rd and Alma Road in the 70’s and 80’s—that the club will be lost to me. I am starting to stop caring, which I feel ashamed to say but it is true. It actually hurt to write that last sentence and I am no sentimentalist.
 

pebblesofsand

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Essendon had an easy easy draw last year and got excited but now reality has hit and the club is imploding.

Beautiful to watch!!!!

And people say we are badly run - ha ha ha!!!
 

gringo2011

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Essendon had an easy easy draw last year and got excited but now reality has hit and the club is imploding.

Beautiful to watch!!!!

And people say we are badly run - ha ha ha!!!


I'd be happy if that was us. Andy Maher was talking about Dave Barham on SEN tonight, he sounds like exactly the guy we need. He seems like he has the tools to really straighten them back up. I wish there was that kind of energy and passion being fed back into Moorabin. Each person we get is a less incompetent of the guy he replaces but they still work at a snails pace and with in the safest boundaries they can set themselves. The whole club plays it safe from President down to the players. We feel lethargic and safety first over over extending ourselves. If we were a car we'd be a 1980s beige Volvo wagon. Won't go anywhere fast and might not even get there but it's built to take plenty of hits and takes heaps of fuel.
 

pebblesofsand

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I'd be happy if that was us. Andy Maher was talking about Dave Barham on SEN tonight, he sounds like exactly the guy we need. He seems like he has the tools to really straighten them back up. I wish there was that kind of energy and passion being fed back into Moorabin. Each person we get is a less incompetent of the guy he replaces but they still work at a snails pace and with in the safest boundaries they can set themselves. The whole club plays it safe from President down to the players. We feel lethargic and safety first over over extending ourselves. If we were a car we'd be a 1980s beige Volvo wagon. Won't go anywhere fast and might not even get there but it's built to take plenty of hits and takes heaps of fuel.
Straighten them back up to do what exactly?

At next years draft, Dodoro will be picking players who weren't even born the last time they won a final.

And during that time they've had 6 different Presidents and 8 different coaches and here they are - 15th on the ladder with yet another President and looking for another coach.

Prefer us any day.
 

Mowman

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May 19, 2013
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Hey brother, I agree.
I can’t say I have ever felt this disconsolate about my STKFC. And I am a 50 yo supporter (and now former member) so I have seen some dark times—wooden spoons, diabolical trades and recruiting ( Russell Green, McCartin, for eg) and potential mergers etc.

I think that is probably because I feel a sense of time dwindling and a premiership still remote. We are neither last nor in peril but with every awful Board or recruiting decision I see stagnation, not ascent.

The board that has overseen mediocrity now for over a decade, and I concede there have been changes to its make-up, has now chosen to promote Rath and Lethlean and extend a seriously overwhelmed coach.

My feeling is that Ratten made a great Sergeant to Clarkson’s General and was the hands-on ‘relationships’ assistant while Clarko handled the serious game plan theory, hard conversations and motivation work.

Rath, at Hawthorn, I think was valued as the biomechanic whose principle theory was that left footers opened up more space on the field, this was reflected in their recruiting. He was also credited with being a futurist of the game, something I have no idea about, but never was he a game day or game plan strategist. As evidenced by the interview recently posted on here again (apologies to the poster), his sense of game plan is like improv theatre or jazz ballet, which is confusing as we basically do the same mindless things every week. But now I hear Lade thinks the players are to blame.

We also got the analytics guy from Hawthorn and I can’t see that has helped, but again, not my area of expertise.

The only thing Lethlean has done right is overrule the head recruiter to get King instead of Rozee (hmm, food for thought) and then to demote the head recruiter. He f#d up the Hill trade, gave them Acres basically just to stop having to backtrack and has failed to headhunt and hire the best recruiter available—we missed our chance with Dalrymple.

Like we missed our chance with Mitchell and now unbelievably, Clarkson. The man famous for aligning all aspects of the club into one pure vision. It is astonishing.

And perhaps worst of all our one anchor to a sustained premiership tilt, King, is being psychologically damaged. How his technique is still bad when we have a biomechanic on staff is beyond me and how we have devised a game plan that diminishes his strengths is disgraceful.

I see the repeat of the Richo era playing out again and I am afraid, like many in my ST.K loving family—literally my cousins and uncles and aunts, all of us who lived between Balaclava Rd and Alma Road in the 70’s and 80’s—that the club will be lost to me. I am starting to stop caring, which I feel ashamed to say but it is true. It actually hurt to write that last sentence and I am no sentimentalist.
Great post mate
Its 100% on the money sadly
 

NarklesHelmet

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Essendon won’t be down for long with Clarko.

A lot of poor coaches in our league that give you no chance as a club of winning the thing (we are in that boat unfortunately).

That’s why, when a bloke like Clarko is available you go all in to land him as he gives you a chance at the big prize.

I want us to win a Premiership. Nothing else matters so it’s really disappointing we never made a serious play at Clarko.
 

NarklesHelmet

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Hey brother, I agree.
I can’t say I have ever felt this disconsolate about my STKFC. And I am a 50 yo supporter (and now former member) so I have seen some dark times—wooden spoons, diabolical trades and recruiting ( Russell Green, McCartin, for eg) and potential mergers etc.

I think that is probably because I feel a sense of time dwindling and a premiership still remote. We are neither last nor in peril but with every awful Board or recruiting decision I see stagnation, not ascent.

The board that has overseen mediocrity now for over a decade, and I concede there have been changes to its make-up, has now chosen to promote Rath and Lethlean and extend a seriously overwhelmed coach.

My feeling is that Ratten made a great Sergeant to Clarkson’s General and was the hands-on ‘relationships’ assistant while Clarko handled the serious game plan theory, hard conversations and motivation work.

Rath, at Hawthorn, I think was valued as the biomechanic whose principle theory was that left footers opened up more space on the field, this was reflected in their recruiting. He was also credited with being a futurist of the game, something I have no idea about, but never was he a game day or game plan strategist. As evidenced by the interview recently posted on here again (apologies to the poster), his sense of game plan is like improv theatre or jazz ballet, which is confusing as we basically do the same mindless things every week. But now I hear Lade thinks the players are to blame.

We also got the analytics guy from Hawthorn and I can’t see that has helped, but again, not my area of expertise.

The only thing Lethlean has done right is overrule the head recruiter to get King instead of Rozee (hmm, food for thought) and then to demote the head recruiter. He f#d up the Hill trade, gave them Acres basically just to stop having to backtrack and has failed to headhunt and hire the best recruiter available—we missed our chance with Dalrymple.

Like we missed our chance with Mitchell and now unbelievably, Clarkson. The man famous for aligning all aspects of the club into one pure vision. It is astonishing.

And perhaps worst of all our one anchor to a sustained premiership tilt, King, is being psychologically damaged. How his technique is still bad when we have a biomechanic on staff is beyond me and how we have devised a game plan that diminishes his strengths is disgraceful.

I see the repeat of the Richo era playing out again and I am afraid, like many in my ST.K loving family—literally my cousins and uncles and aunts, all of us who lived between Balaclava Rd and Alma Road in the 70’s and 80’s—that the club will be lost to me. I am starting to stop caring, which I feel ashamed to say but it is true. It actually hurt to write that last sentence and I am no sentimentalist.
Brilliant post!
 

NarklesHelmet

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The other frustrating thing is it looks like Yze is nailed on for the Giants.

It’s not often you get an assistant like him who has done an apprenticeship as a coach without a head coach in the box the whole time.

One big risk with getting an assistant is you never know how they’ll go when given the top job. That risk with Yze is mitigated by how much responsibility he has gotten with Melbourne. There’ll be no fears for him at all being the main guy as he’s pretty much doing it at Melbourne already.

Signing Ratts is the gift that keeps on giving.

Nail us on for a poor year again next year, only this time the likes of Clarko and Yze aren’t on the market.

We are years away turning this ship around without a good coach. I doubt long time members will stay the course for another 5-10 years. I wish the board knew how desperately it was we needed that we acted quickly on Ratts. It could kill the club that they signed him unnecessarily early.
 

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gringo2011

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Straighten them back up to do what exactly?

At next years draft, Dodoro will be picking players who weren't even born the last time they won a final.

And during that time they've had 6 different Presidents and 8 different coaches and here they are - 15th on the ladder with yet another President and looking for another coach.

Prefer us any day.


We'll see I guess. I just wish we'd roll the dice rather than lie in our bed scratching our bedsores. The Dons have some great kids coming through. If I'm Clarko I'm going there before North. Unlimited resources, any staff he wants even over the cap etc. He could use his pull to bring in a few players to patch up their tall defenders and really move forward pretty quickly.

I see us as staying the course with Ratts middling for a few years then rebuilding if I'm honest. I just don't feel like Ratts is in control and we are very risk averse. I think we'd rather hold on to Ratts than rock the boat as long as we are middling. They'll buy time by selling off players then saying they knew we weren't a finals side.
 

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