List Mgmt. 2022 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals: Kinnear & Dalrymple - we march to no drum but our own!

[Ticky009]

 

[ShireSwan]

Interesting that no contract has yet been offered to Naismith, Ronke or Bell.
Cunningham and Clarke yet to accept. Hard to imagine they wouldn't though length might be an issue for Harry.
I wonder how much depends on our trading (if any) and our draft strategy.
Perhaps we're hoping for interest in Melican and Ronke?
With Taylor gone we have one space on the rookie list for a potential delist/rerookie.
Interesting times.

Clarke should be asking for, and getting a 2 year deal. He won't be on big money, even now, has proven to be very useful, positive energy in the playing group and a good clubman like Fox.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Wonder what's holding up the Francis deal. Can't imagine there's much to haggle over here

Be the last day mate don’t stress.

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Be the last day mate don’t stress

I ain't, I just don't see a reason as to why this hasn't been done yet is all

 

[Tedeski]

Wasn't referring to you Ted.

Oh I know.
Just throwing out my reasons for being a pain after the GF.

 

[Olian]

I ain't, I just don't see a reason as to why this hasn't been done yet is all

Neither club seems heavily involved in trading so you would think it gets done earlier.

 

[mtooler]

Dodoro.

The only person I even close to dislike as much as Daniel Andrews.

 

[bedford]

The only person I even close to dislike as much as Daniel Andrews.

Great leader

 

[caesar88]

Clarke should be asking for, and getting a 2 year deal. He won't be on big money, even now, has proven to be very useful, positive energy in the playing group and a good clubman like Fox.

I guess the difference for me between the two is that since coming into the team, Fox played some outstanding footy and was arguably one of our best players in our 9-0 run. Clarke didn't play outstanding footy, he just played his role. So I guess what our offer is to Clarke depends on how valuable we see that role going forward.

I would say two years seems fair, given he's still relatively young. If we trusted him to play in a grand final for us then we should trust that signing him for multiple years won't backfire.

 

[mattpolo8]

Barrett insisting both Whitfield and Haynes are available if any clubs wants to put forward an offer.

I'd personally have a crack at Haynes.

 

[The King!]

Wonder what's holding up the Francis deal. Can't imagine there's much to haggle over here

Essendon probably searching for a CEO

 

[Caj]

Credit to Geelong for them being a destination club. Not just on field performances but also off field. Lower cost of living etc. is hard for even the Melbourne clubs to match plus the lifestyle balance.

Also helps that Geelong Falcons also produce a lot of decent players. The academy when you don’t have an academy.

I don’t get it, Geelong is a craphole of a place to live

 

[Caj]

I'd back Darymple who doesn't miss with first rounders having two bites at the cherry. Could easily get Busslinger at 14. My gut feeling is he slips. Look at the teams above they don't need defenders.

Who selected Ling? Was that pre Dalrymple?

 

[rustycrate]

Who selected Ling? Was that pre Dalrymple?

Ling was 2017 draft. So it was Beetson. Dalrymple started in Feb 2018.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I ain't, I just don't see a reason as to why this hasn't been done yet is all

Probably leave it to the lst day and it’s a whatever your last pick is type of trade

 

[cherub]

Who selected Ling? Was that pre Dalrymple?

Don't think his injury woes could have been reasonably anticipated.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Who selected Ling? Was that pre Dalrymple?

Yes year before and don’t remind me

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Don't think his injury woes could have been reasonably anticipated.

He was a huge reach at the time though I’m past worrying about it we’ll just call it a howler and leave it at that

 

[Caj]

Don't think his injury woes could have been reasonably anticipated.

If he was any good he’d still be on an AFL list, he showed nothing to suggest he was ever rip to AFL standard

it was an outright dud selection, plain and simple

 

[Kiama Chris]

Don't think his injury woes could have been reasonably anticipated.

True. I think he fitted the sort of profile we recruited to later but his injuries badly impacted his pace. Stoddart and Foot were the sadder stories in some ways. Ryley never adapted to the pace of the game and Foot was a victim of COVID.

 

[Olian]

Charlie Gardener update

Trade Week: Charlie Gardiner key quotes

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www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[DobmusEdge]

Interesting that no contract has yet been offered to Naismith, Ronke or Bell.
Cunningham and Clarke yet to accept. Hard to imagine they wouldn't though length might be an issue for Harry.
I wonder how much depends on our trading (if any) and our draft strategy.
Perhaps we're hoping for interest in Melican and Ronke?
With Taylor gone we have one space on the rookie list for a potential delist/rerookie.
Interesting times.

Maybe move Naismith from the AJ role to the Sinkers role

 

[Bandicoot]

In 2016, picks 4-10 were ...

Ben Ainsworth
Will Setterfield
Sam Petrevski-Seton
Jack Scrimshaw
Griffin Logue
Will Brodie
Jack Bowes

Before we took Florent at 11 and Hayward at 20. Would you trade one of ours, let alone both, for any on that list?

It isn't a 'no brainer' to swap our 14 and 17 for a higher pick.

Yeah,
for all those who believe a top 10 pick is the be all and end all, let's also look at the 2006 draft.

Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL	​
1	2	Scott Gumbleton	Essendon	Peel Thunder	WAFL	​
1	3	Lachlan Hansen	Kangaroos	Gippsland Power	TAC Cup	​
1	4	Matthew Leuenberger	Brisbane Lions	East Perth	WAFL	​
1	5	Travis Boak	Port Adelaide	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup	​
1	6	Mitch Thorp	Hawthorn	Tassie Mariners	TAC Cup	​
1	7	Joel Selwood	Geelong	Bendigo Pioneers	TAC Cup	​
1	8	Ben Reid	Collingwood	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup	​
1	9	David Armitage	St Kilda	Morningside	QAFL	​
1	10	Nathan Brown	Collingwood	North Ballarat Rebels	TAC Cup

Far more failures there than success stories. I think our recruiters will back themselves with the two late first round selections.

 

[Bandicoot]

So much this! Be careful taking the mummy's boys

Agreed. I'd be inclined to keep clear of any Geelong Falcon players.

 

[tombomb]

Yeah,
for all those who believe a top 10 pick is the be all and end all, let's also look at the 2006 draft.

Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL	​
1	2	Scott Gumbleton	Essendon	Peel Thunder	WAFL	​
1	3	Lachlan Hansen	Kangaroos	Gippsland Power	TAC Cup	​
1	4	Matthew Leuenberger	Brisbane Lions	East Perth	WAFL	​
1	5	Travis Boak	Port Adelaide	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup	​
1	6	Mitch Thorp	Hawthorn	Tassie Mariners	TAC Cup	​
1	7	Joel Selwood	Geelong	Bendigo Pioneers	TAC Cup	​
1	8	Ben Reid	Collingwood	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup	​
1	9	David Armitage	St Kilda	Morningside	QAFL	​
1	10	Nathan Brown	Collingwood	North Ballarat Rebels	TAC Cup

Far more failures there than success stories. I think our recruiters will back themselves with the two late first round selections.

That is actually a very good top 10.

But to the point, I think the draft points are an underrated way to assign value. I think if 14 and 17 are worth significantly more than pick 7, that is a pretty good guide.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Should've said draft if you meant draft lol

Anyway, we've drafted well in the first round for the last decade. Only dud pick was Ling

Not that well

2012 - Dean the difference Towers didn’t make any difference

2013 - Zac Jones limped home and now struggling to lock down starting spot with saints

2014 - match heeney N/A

2015 - match mills N/A

2016 - florent tick (gf showing aside)

2017 - Ling went nowhere

2018 - match Blakey N/A

2019 - Stephens going ok (gf showing aside) but passed on serong and young who seem in different league

2020 - Logan looks good but early

2021 - Angus who knows yet