List Mgmt. 2022 draft pool.

[Charlie Pannam]

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Interesting that someone at the club rates Tom Brown as best of the 21 draft bunch . That’s a big big call.
Had an up and down vfl season, but obviously those inside the club see a lot more than we do.
It’d be huge if that proves to be correct given Sonsie and Gibcus are going to be very good players

 

[Marcel Proust]

Interesting that someone at the club rates Tom Brown as best of the 21 draft bunch . That’s a big big call.
Had an up and down vfl season, but obviously those inside the club see a lot more than we do.
It’d be huge if that proves to be correct given Sonsie and Gibcus are going to be very good players

Yeah that was eye catching

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

No key forwards that are taken after pick 30 ever amount to anything. Someone name one? Better off taking someone like Ethan Phillips to replace Josh Gibcus in the backline.

Gibcus is elite in the air 75cm and 95cm standing and running leap and the ground level skills to clean up the rare ones he does not catch but most importantly he has the swagger to be a key forward

Agree 100%.People say we need to replace Jack via the draft or trade.We did it 12mnths ago already in Gibcus.His spring is wasted down back.
Draft Phillips & Van Es.
Defenders:Miller/Phillips/Van Es to partner Balta.
Fwds Lynch & Gibcus
FA:Lynch replacement in 2025

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Agree 100%.People say we need to replace Jack via the draft or trade.We did it 12mnths ago already in Gibcus.His spring is wasted down back.
Draft Phillips & Van Es.
Defenders:Miller/Phillips/Van Es to partner Balta.
Fwds Lynch & Gibcus
FA:Lynch replacement in 2025

Van Es had very Combine results for a big kpd.
From the AFL site
“real standout athletically at the 2022 NAB AFL Draft Combine. His running vertical jump of 98cm was the best result at the National Combine, while his 2.91 seconds in the 20m sprint ranked fourth.”

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Yeah that was eye catching

Not for me I do not see anything in him to be honest! Reckon at some stage he'll move onto the Scats!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not for me I do not see anything in him to be honest! Reckon at some stage he'll move onto the Scats!

When he's in their age Bracket.
By then he'd play 300 games and 3 flags for us.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Van Es had very Combine results for a big kpd.
From the AFL site
“real standout athletically at the 2022 NAB AFL Draft Combine. His running vertical jump of 98cm was the best result at the National Combine, while his 2.91 seconds in the 20m sprint ranked fourth.”

Yep.Think its much easier for a def to succeed at afl level around that draft range than a KF.

 

[Marcel Proust]

No key forwards that are taken after pick 30 ever amount to anything. Someone name one? Better off taking someone like Ethan Phillips to replace Josh Gibcus in the backline.

Gibcus is elite in the air 75cm and 95cm standing and running leap and the ground level skills to clean up the rare ones he does not catch but most importantly he has the swagger to be a key forward

Chol had +40 goals. (more than bolton)

- Top 20 Coleman.
- Has room to get better still.
- Pick 30 rookie draft.

Mihocek has kicked goals off the rookie list too.

You won't find a gun but could get something decent. Hopefully lynch hangs around for a while

 

[Growapair]

Kurt Tippett pick 32 178 games 325 goals
Taylor Walker pick 75 238 games 536 goals
Josh Jenkins rookie pick 12 149 games 296 goals
Alastair Lynch pick 50 306 games 633 goals
Daniel Bradshaw pick 56 231 games 524 goals
Brendan Fevola pick 38 204 games 623 goals
Levi Casboult rookie pick 44 175 games 191 goals
Matt Taberner rookie pick 11 116 games 164 goals*
Cameron Mooney pick 56 221 games 297 goals
Nathan Thompson pick 82 179 games 327 goals
Ben Brown pick 47 162 games 342 goals*
Justin Westhoff pick 71 280 games 313 goals
Simon Minton-Connell pick 38 112 games 305 goals
Sam Reid pick 38 181 games 183 goals*
Quinten Lynch rookie pick 19 227 games 290 goals
Chris Grant pick 105 341 games 554 goals

Doesn't always happen but you can find quality KPF after pick 30, and we don't need the kid we draft to be an all time great, but if they can have a career somewhere along the lines of Tippett Jenkins Mooney Thompson or Brown we'd have ourselves a handy enough KPF especially with their early career alongside Lynch and then hopefully another KPF to come in as support in their second half of their career.

Where any of these blokes drafted in the last 15 years, and please do an edit and take Casboult and Josh Jenkins off your list lol

 

[Marcel Proust]

Where any of these blokes drafted in the last 15 years, and please do an edit and take Casboult and Josh Jenkins off your list lol

Chol. Mihocek. Larkey finished quite high in the Coleman. Drafted more recently.

Tigers have a decent 26 years old and younger team. Adding another young player might be a decent risk

 

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Where any of these blokes drafted in the last 15 years, and please do an edit and take Casboult and Josh Jenkins off your list lol

Firstly you don't play 150 odd games or kick 200-300 goals if you're useless.

Secondly, Walker(2007) Reid (2009) Casboult (2009) Jenkins (2010) Taberner (2012) Brown (2013) Chol (2015) Larkey (2016) & Mihochek (2017) have all been drafted in the last 15 years outside the top 30, so to suggest that you can't find decent KPF outside the top 30 is plainly incorrect. The key is your recruiters need to find the ones that have what it takes and given our recruiters record over the last few years with late round picks I'd be willing to back them to find the right kid with our picks. Then the ball is in their court as to whether they make it or not.

 

[Smythe]

Agree 100%.People say we need to replace Jack via the draft or trade.We did it 12mnths ago already in Gibcus.His spring is wasted down back.
Draft Phillips & Van Es.
Defenders:Miller/Phillips/Van Es to partner Balta.
Fwds Lynch & Gibcus
FA:Lynch replacement in 2025

Neither of Phillips or Van Es would be available unfortunately…….you never know, but both are unlikely to be available in my, somewhat knowledgeable, draft thoughts.

 

[Growapair]

Chol had +40 goals. (more than bolton)

- Top 20 Coleman.
- Has room to get better still.
- Pick 30 rookie draft.

Mihocek has kicked goals off the rookie list too.

You won't find a gun but could get something decent. Hopefully lynch hangs around for

Rookie them, dont take them in main draft

Firstly you don't play 150 odd games or kick 200-300 goals if you're useless.

Secondly, Walker(2007) Reid (2009) Casboult (2009) Jenkins (2010) Taberner (2012) Brown (2013) Chol (2015) Larkey (2016) & Mihochek (2017) have all been drafted in the last 15 years outside the top 30, so to suggest that you can't find decent KPF outside the top 30 is plainly incorrect. The key is your recruiters need to find the ones that have what it takes and given our recruiters record over the last few years with late round picks I'd be willing to back them to find the right kid with our picks. Then the ball is in their court as to whether they make it or not.

Anyone arguing that Casboult is a decent footballer should not be listened to

Give us the list of misses.... McBeans, Posts, Eltons, Griffiths for our team alone... Oops what about Reece McKenzie lol

 

[_RT_]

Rookie them, dont take them in main draft

Anyone arguing that Casboult is a decent footballer should not be listened to

Give us the list of misses.... McBeans, Posts, Eltons, Griffiths for each team
How about Reece McKenzie lol

I've already said that, you're not always going to hit with late round picks, however to say that you won't land a good KPF after pick 30 is clearly wrong.

As for Casboult, nobody is claiming him as a champion of the game, but you don't play for 12 seasons and over 170 games without having some sort of ability and to suggest otherwise is either naivety or sheer ignorance.

 

[Growapair]

I've already said that, you're not always going to hit with late round picks, however to say that you won't land a good KPF after pick 30 is clearly wrong.

As for Casboult, nobody is claiming him as a champion of the game, but you don't play for 12 seasons and over 170 games without having some sort of ability and to suggest otherwise is either naivety or sheer ignorance.

The only 2 successes of the RFC in drafting key forwards really are Reiwoldt, pick 13 and Brad Ottens, pick 2 (really a ruck).
Maybe you could stretch to Jay Schulz though he had no success in his 6 seasons with us, and even he was pick 12 and Richo was a Father Son.

So it is clearly both naive and ignorant to suggest that there is any more than zero evidence to support an opinion that the RFC is capable of drafting a KPF with a pick outside the first round.

 

[juss]

No key forwards that are taken after pick 30 ever amount to anything. Someone name one? Better off taking someone like Ethan Phillips to replace Josh Gibcus in the backline.

Gibcus is elite in the air 75cm and 95cm standing and running leap and the ground level skills to clean up the rare ones he does not catch but most importantly he has the swagger to be a key forward

Our options are slim whatever we do with the picks we have in a supposed shallow draft.

We need to take at least 1 KPF with those picks, it's a free swing at a 2 year deal and you take one that you think might be undervalued or have upside.

It's not as if this draft is flush for talent at that range, so any pick is more likely going to be a miss rather than make it.

I'd be taking 1 KPF and the best available slider, someone who was rated top 30-40 that is unexpectedly there like a Jack Graham situation.

Clearly in 2022 we didn't put our eggs in the draft basket, but we can't just ignore KPF completely.

 

[_RT_]

The only 2 successes of the RFC in drafting key forwards really are Reiwoldt, pick 13 and Brad Ottens, pick 2 (really a ruck).
Maybe you could stretch to Jay Schulz though he had no success in his 6 seasons with us, and even he was pick 12 and Richo was a Father Son.

So it is clearly both naive and ignorant to suggest that there is any more than zero evidence to support an opinion that the RFC is capable of drafting a KPF with a pick outside the first round.

Keep changing the goalposts to try and prove your point. You asked for KPF taken after pick 30 and were given a raft of successful ones, then changed it to drafted in the last 15 years, shown that there were successful picks in the last 15 years now you make it about Richmond.

Newsflash, Richmond has had plenty of success with late round draft picks in recent years, granted they weren't KPF, but it shows that our recruiting has improved markedly over the last decade or so, where we're not just reliant on nailing early picks.

 

[Growapair]

Keep changing the goalposts to try and prove your point. You asked for KPF taken after pick 30 and were given a raft of successful ones, then changed it to drafted in the last 15 years, shown that there were successful picks in the last 15 years now you make it about Richmond.

Newsflash, Richmond has had plenty of success with late round draft picks in recent years, granted they weren't KPF, but it shows that our recruiting has improved markedly over the last decade or so, where we're not just reliant on nailing early picks.

No, just keeping inviting someone to provide a persuasive argument against my position, which is:

We should take a key defender rather than KPF in the draft as Gibcus has all the elite characteristics required of a KPF that you wont find as late in the draft as our first pick.

What you have found out is that there is no-one drafted in the last 15 years worth writing home about (cant imagine any of us are hoping that on draft night we draft the next Levi Casboult lol), that the Richmond record for drafting any KPF of AFL standard beyond the first round of the draft is non existant and that you are pinning your hopes on drafting a once in a generation Unicorn like Fevolution, Chris Grant or Tex

We have a good record of drafting backman late in the draft and into the rookie. Grimes, Broad, Baker, Short. Let's stick to what we know rather than ending up with next Reece McKenzie

 

[Marcel Proust]

No, just keeping inviting someone to provide a persuasive argument against my position, which is:

We should take a key defender rather than KPF in the draft as Gibcus has all the elite characteristics read of a KPF that you wont find as late in the draft as our first pick.

What you have found out is that there is no-one drafted in the last 15 years worth writing home about (cant imagine any of us are hoping that on draft night we draft the next Levi Casboult lol), that the Richmond record for drafting any KPF of AFL standard beyond the first round of the draft is non existant and that you are pinning your hopes on drafting a once in a generation Unicorn like Fevolution, Chris Grant or Tex

We have a good record of drafting backman late in the draft and into the rookie. Grimes, Broad, Baker, Short. Let's stick to what we know rather than ending up with next Reece McKenzie

You don't need someone worth writing home about. You just need to fill the hole.

Many teams have gone deep into finals without star key forwards in recent season.

 

[_RT_]

No, just keeping inviting someone to provide a persuasive argument against my position, which is:

We should take a key defender rather than KPF in the draft as Gibcus has all the elite characteristics read of a KPF that you wont find as late in the draft as our first pick.

What you have found out is that there is no-one drafted in the last 15 years worth writing home about (cant imagine any of us are hoping that on draft night we draft the next Levi Casboult lol), that the Richmond record for drafting any KPF of AFL standard beyond the first round of the draft is non existant and that you are pinning your hopes on drafting a once in a generation Unicorn like Fevolution, Chris Grant or Tex

We have a good record of drafting backman late in the draft and into the rookie. Grimes, Broad, Baker, Short. Let's stick to what we know rather than ending up with next Reece McKenzie

Guess what before we landed the likes of Grimes Broad Baker Short with late picks in the draft we rarely if ever nailed defenders with late picks, but once our recruiting department improved greatly through being able to invest in it more, we started to find more of those late round gems, so there is no valid reason to not back our recruiters to be able to identify a servicable KPF with a late pick and that is all we need at this stage, is someone capable of playing second fiddle to Lynch for a few years before we either target a young proven KPF via trade/free agency or we target a KPF or 2 in the draft and look to restock the cupboard later on.

 

[Marcel Proust]

No, just keeping inviting someone to provide a persuasive argument against my position, which is:

We should take a key defender rather than KPF in the draft as Gibcus has all the elite characteristics read of a KPF that you wont find as late in the draft as our first pick.

What you have found out is that there is no-one drafted in the last 15 years worth writing home about (cant imagine any of us are hoping that on draft night we draft the next Levi Casboult lol), that the Richmond record for drafting any KPF of AFL standard beyond the first round of the draft is non existant and that you are pinning your hopes on drafting a once in a generation Unicorn like Fevolution, Chris Grant or Tex

We have a good record of drafting backman late in the draft and into the rookie. Grimes, Broad, Baker, Short. Let's stick to what we know rather than ending up with next Reece McKenzie

McDonald 33. Goals Brown. 25. - Melbourne ('21) winners.

Mihocek 41. Cameron 20. - pies lost prelim 1p ('22)

Dogs, grand final team ('21). Leader goal kicker that season, josh Bruce...

 

[Growapair]

McDonald 33. Goals Brown. 25. - Melbourne ('21) winners.

Mihocek 41. Cameron 20. - pies lost prelim 1p ('22)

Dogs, grand final team ('21). Leader goal kicker that season, josh Bruce...

McDonald was a backman, Cameron is a ruckman, Josh Bruce cant count as a late draft pick (was taken by GWS prior to their entry into AFL as part of their access package to Top Young talent)

 

[tiger_tough]

Surely we call out this kids name if he's still on the board -

‘Whatever it takes’: The rollercoaster AFL draft year of Harry Lemmey - and why he’s as ‘driven’ as ever

‘Whatever it takes’: Luckless story of draft’s biggest draft slider - and why he’s as ‘driven’ as ever

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[prodigy]

Surely we call out this kids name if he's still on the board -

‘Whatever it takes’: The rollercoaster AFL draft year of Harry Lemmey - and why he’s as ‘driven’ as ever

‘Whatever it takes’: Luckless story of draft’s biggest draft slider - and why he’s as ‘driven’ as ever

www.foxsports.com.au

A very "Richmond man" type of attitude.

 

[Profop]

That article makes it sound like Lemmey started drinking his own bath water after the hype last year and then couldn’t back it up (plus some COVID breaks)

Worry is just how poorly he performed this season even when given all the opportunities that others (like Scully) never got