List Mgmt. 2022 draft pool.

[Dr Tigris]

Probably doesn't help us but Crows decline option to nominate Keeler

Possibly gives us a chance - if we think he's worth it

 

[fargothegreat]

Probably doesn't help us but Crows decline option to nominate Keeler

If the Crows don't rate him as being draftable at all, I'd say he's a stronger possibility to slide than media speculation is currently suggesting.

 

[_RT_]

If the Crows don't rate him as being draftable at all, I'd say he's a stronger possibility to slide than media speculation is currently suggesting.

Maybe they're playing the game, by saying they're not nominating him, thinking they can then get him on the cheap if everyone overlooks him.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

17 men in history have played 250 games for Richmond. Another 16 have played 200. I'm a Gibcus fan but your throwing about of "Player X will play 200/250 games" is willy-nilly-like in its recklessness. If you're not careful someone's going to lose an eye.

Not really

Alot has changed over the past 10-15 years
How many players had played 300 for Richmond in its history until 2017 ? F. Bourke , J. Dyer , K. Bartlett
Now within 3 years our number will more than double to 7 with Riewoldt , Edwards & Cotchin and possibly Martin in 5 years

We will have 5 players on the bench getting games compared to 2 from years ago , Plus we are going to add Magic round

Also players now are professional players and get paid accordingly and play for 15 years if they are good enough and dont want to retire early

Hope that info doesnt make you lose the other eye

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

If the Crows don't rate him as being draftable at all, I'd say he's a stronger possibility to slide than media speculation is currently suggesting.

They probably know he wont last until pick #41

 

[Profop]

Maybe they're playing the game, by saying they're not nominating him, thinking they can then get him on the cheap if everyone overlooks him.

That makes no sense. By not nominating him they ensure they don’t get him easily on the cheap if he slides

They probably know he wont last until pick #41

Hell of a risk of they rate him. Lose nothing by nominating him

I think it’s much more likely that they’ve had a close look at him as a NGA player and don’t think he’s going to be up to it

 

[_RT_]

That makes no sense. By not nominating him they ensure they don’t get him easily on the cheap if he slides

Hell of a risk of they rate him. Lose nothing by nominating him

I think it’s much more likely that they’ve had a close look at him as a NGA player and don’t think he’s going to be up to it

Was thinking that by suggesting that he is not good enough for them to consider matching in the National draft that other teams may overlook him. Which then means that they could take him at pick 5 in the rookie draft, which then also means they can take 3 kids they may rate around the same level or ahead of him, instead of having to match.

 

[Profop]

Was thinking that by suggesting that he is not good enough for them to consider matching in the National draft that other teams may overlook him. Which then means that they could take him at pick 5 in the rookie draft, which then also means they can take 3 kids they may rate around the same level or ahead of him, instead of having to match.

Doubt other teams fall for that plus if he’s borderline rookie pick and they do nominate him then should he not get drafted they get to rookie him for free

 

[tigs2010]

Maybe they're playing the game, by saying they're not nominating him, thinking they can then get him on the cheap if everyone overlooks him.

Or they didn’t bother because they’re no chance.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Not really

Alot has changed over the past 10-15 years
How many players had played 300 for Richmond in its history until 2017 ? F. Bourke , J. Dyer , K. Bartlett
Now within 3 years our number will more than double to 7 with Riewoldt , Edwards & Cotchin and possibly Martin in 5 years

We will have 5 players on the bench getting games compared to 2 from years ago , Plus we are going to add Magic round

Also players now are professional players and get paid accordingly and play for 15 years if they are good enough and dont want to retire early

Hope that info doesnt make you lose the other eye

Gibcus certainly has a far greater chance of reaching 250 than Ralphsmith.

 

[Mr Magic]

I don't mind the look of James Van Es and Lloyd Johnson as prospects for RFC in the back end if we have to use our picks

Probably would need to trade up a bit to snag Van Es. The Rioli's could probably help Lloyd

I think both could actually add to our list if they developed the way we wanted them to

 

[fargothegreat]

They probably know he wont last until pick #41

If that was the case then surely they'd still nominate him on the off chance he did make it through.

I interpret not nominating him as them not having any interest at all.

 

[Yo Yo Ma!!!]

If that was the case then surely they'd still nominate him on the off chance he did make it through.

I interpret not nominating him as them not having any interest at all.

I reckon multiple clubs have already told the kid they will be drafting him at a particular pick (and inside 40), He likely has informed crows and they dont bother nominating for him, especially noting they wont have picks deep in the draft and would not want to be in deficit next year if he was still available and a bid came after 40. Crows would be idiotic to take a project KPF late this year and affect next years first pick, especially if they are down the bottom, as what they likely will be.

 

[Profop]

I reckon multiple clubs have already told the kid they will be drafting him at a particular pick (and inside 40), He likely has informed crows and they dont bother nominating for him, especially noting they wont have picks deep in the draft and would not want to be in deficit next year if he was still available and a bid came after 40. Crows would be idiotic to take a project KPF late this year and affect next years first pick, especially if they are down the bottom, as what they likely will be.

There’s no downside to nominating him though? If a bid comes and Adelaide doesn’t want to cough up then they simply pass on matching

So much can change on draft night that they wouldn’t limit themselves like this unless they really don’t rate him

 

[fargothegreat]

There’s no downside to nominating him though? If a bid comes and Adelaide doesn’t want to cough up then they simply pass on matching

So much can change on draft night that they wouldn’t limit themselves like this unless they really don’t rate him

Spot on. If they rated him as draftable (even as a rookie) they would have nominated him.

 

[Yo Yo Ma!!!]

Spot on. If they rated him as draftable (even as a rookie) they would have nominated him.

Alternatively, player may told the club he doesnt want to play there lol

 

[GoTigers2015]

Dodged a bullet when the Bombers matched our bid on Eyre in the 2020 draft

Essendon has made a further change to its playing list with Josh Eyre informed that he will not be offered a contract for 2023.
Eyre will have the opportunity to continue pre-season training with the Bombers with the potential of securing a spot as a pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP) signing.

Did well getting MJ and Ryan in 2020 in a shallow draft. Eight players already delisted from the 2nd round after only 2 years on AFL lists

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Dodged a bullet when the Bombers matched our bid on Eyre in the 2020 draft

Essendon has made a further change to its playing list with Josh Eyre informed that he will not be offered a contract for 2023.
Eyre will have the opportunity to continue pre-season training with the Bombers with the potential of securing a spot as a pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP) signing.

Did well getting MJ and Ryan in 2020 in a shallow draft. Eight players already delisted from the 2nd round after only 2 years on AFL lists

It wasn’t a secret we didn’t rate that draft, as we traded out completely.


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[NZ_Tiger]

Yet to be proven under pressure. He was like Bambi on skates in that final.

Every border line selection came back a bit is on the arse. Was one of those games. Dominated for little return and Nank managed to keep picking out Brisbane midfielders between 3 tigers.

Most of us were fairly positive with the side selected going in, so I’m wary of any Harry hindsight’s (not accusing you) that said we shouldn’t have picked the kids to play.


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[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Every border line selection came back a bit is on the arse. Was one of those games. Dominated for little return and Nank managed to keep picking out Brisbane midfielders between 3 tigers.

Most of us were fairly positive with the side selected going in, so I’m wary of any Harry hindsight’s (not accusing you) that said we shouldn’t have picked the kids to play.


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I was big on dropping him before the game. It may have cost us a grand final imo.
He will be a good player but playing a 19 yo in an important key position in a final didn't work.
Having said that, DeKonong did well for Geelong although he faced less pressure.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I was big on dropping him before the game. It may have cost us a grand final imo.
He will be a good player but playing a 19 yo in an important key position in a final didn't work.
Gavong said that, DeKonong did well for Geelong although he faced less pressure.

DeKoning wasn't getting a game when he was 19. It took until his 3rd season before he got anywhere near the footy.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Clubs rating since the 2019 draft-Source H/Sun.(Chris Cavanagh, Matt Turner and Simeon Thomas-Wilson)
2019
Mid-Season Pick 13: Marlion Pickett (Mid/Def, 57 games, Contracted until 2023)
National Pick 21: Thomson Dow (Mid, 13 games, Contracted until 2023)
National Pick 43: Noah Cumberland (General Fwd, 9 games, Contracted until 2024)
National Pick 44: Will Martyn (Mid, 3 games, Delisted 2022)
National Pick 46: Hugo Ralphsmith (Mid/Def, 19 games, Contracted until 2023)
National Pick 54: Bigoa Nyuon (Key Def, 1 game, Contracted until 2023)
2020
Category B Rookie: Mate Colina (Ruck, 0 games, Contracted until 2023)
National Pick 40: Samson Ryan (Ruck, 1 game, Contracted until 2024)
National Pick 51: Maurice Rioli (General Fwd, 17 games, Contracted until 2024)
SSP: Rhyan Mansell (General Def, 15 games, Contracted until 2023)
2021
Mid-Season Pick 10: Matthew Parker (Fwd/Mid, 11 games, Retired 2022)
National Pick 9: Josh Gibcus (Key Def, 18 games, Contracted until 2025)
National Pick 17: Tom Brown (General Def, 0 games, Contracted until 2025)
National Pick 28: Tyler Sonsie (General Fwd, 7 games, Contracted until 2025)
National Pick 29: Sam Banks (General Def, 0 games, Contracted until 2025)
National Pick 30: Judson Clarke (General Fwd, 3 games, Contracted until 2025)
2022
Mid-Season Pick 10: Jacob Bauer (Key Fwd, 0 games, Contracted until 2023)

It was an impressive debut season for Tiger Josh Gibcus. Picture: Mark Stewart
The Tigers have continued to discover some draft gems in recent years, none more so than two-time premiership player Pickett who was snapped up in the 2019 mid-season rookie draft. Speedy outside defender or wingman Ralphsmith also looks a bargain buy, as does Cumberland who kicked 19 goals from eight games in the second half of this year. The Tigers have been impressed by the faster than expected development of Rioli and were thrilled with their haul of five top-30 picks in last year’s draft. Gibcus looks capable of holding down a key post in defence for the next decade, while Sonsie and Clarke showed glimpses of their sizeable talent last year and Tom Brown is rated very highly internally despite not being seen yet at AFL level. The Tigers have secured two developing ruckman in Colina and Ryan in recent years, but haven’t picked up any young key forwards outside of the 192cm Bauer. That is why a key forward is a priority at this year’s draft.

Rating: 8/10​

Other clubs_
Adelaide-6/10
Brisbane-7/10
Carlton-6/10
Collingwood-8/10(overrated on the back of one player)
2019
National Pick 40: Jay Rantall (Mid, 5 games, Delisted in 2021)
National Pick 45: Trent Bianco (Mid/Def, 22 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 55: Trey Ruscoe (Def, 17 games, Signed to 2023)
2020
National Pick 17: Oliver Henry (Fwd, 25 games, Traded to Geelong in 2022)
National Pick 19: Finlay Macrae (Mid, 11 games, Signed to 2024)
National Pick 23: Reef McInnes (Mid, 6 games, Signed to 2024)
National Pick 30: Caleb Poulter (Mid, 12 games, Delisted in 2022)
National Pick 31: Liam McMahon (Fwd, 0 games, Delisted in 2022)
National Pick 44: Beau McCreery (Fwd, 35 games, Signed to 2024)
Rookie Pick 13: Jack Ginnivan (Fwd, 28 games, Signed to 2024)
Rookie Pick 28: Isaac Chugg (Mid/Def, 2 games, Delisted in 2022)
Mid-Season Pick 3: Ash Johnson (Fwd, 9 games, Signed to 2023)
Mid-Season Pick 18: Aiden Begg (Ruck/Fwd, 3 games, Signed to 2023)
2021
National Pick 4: Nick Daicos (Mid/Def, 25 games, Signed to 2025)
National Pick 45: Arlo Draper (Mid/Fwd, 0 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 49: Cooper Murley (Mid, 0 games, Delisted in 2022, but club committed to rookie-listing)
National Pick 52: Harvey Harrison (Mid, 0 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 2: Charlie Dean (Def, 0 games, Signed to 2024)
Mid-Season Pick 9: Josh Carmichael (Mid, 7 games, Signed to 2023)



Essendon-8/10
Fremantle-8/10
Geelong-9/10(Rubbish)
2019
National Pick 16: Cooper Stephens (Mid, 7 games, Traded to Hawthorn in 2022)
National Pick 19: Sam De Koning (Key Def, 24 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 41: Francis Evans (Fwd, 7 games, Delisted in 2022)
National Pick 50: Cameron Taheny (Fwd, 0 games, Delisted in 2021)
Rookie Pick 14: Bradley Close (Fwd, 55 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 27: Oscar Brownless (Mid, 0 games, Delisted in 2021)

2020
National Pick 20: Max Holmes (Mid, 30 games, Signed to 2024)
National Pick 33: Shannon Neale (Ruck, 2 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 47: Nick Stevens (Def, 0 games, Delisted in 2022)
Category B Rookie: Paul Tsapatolis (Ruck, 0 games, Delisted in 2022)

2021
National Pick 24: Toby Conway (Ruck, 0 games, Signed to 2025)
National Pick 25: Mitch Knevitt (Mid, 2 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 15: Oliver Dempsey (Key Fwd, 2 games, Signed to 2023)

Gold Coast-8/10
GWS-6/10
Hawthorn-7/10(Lucky to get 5/10)
2019
National Pick 13: Will Day (Def, 33 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 29: Finn Maginness (Mid, 19 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 57: Josh Morris (Def, 15 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 9: Emerson Jeka (Fwd, 7 games, Signed to 2023)
Category B Rookie: Harrison Pepper (Def, 0 games, Delisted in 2021)

2020
National Pick 6: Denver Grainger-Barras (Def, 21 games, Signed to 2024)
National Pick 29: Seamus Mitchell (Fwd, 0 games, Delisted in 2022, but club committed to rookie-listing)
National Pick 35: Connor Downie (Mid, 2 games, Delisted in 2022)
National Pick 46: Tyler Brockman (Fwd, 11 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 4: Jack Saunders (Mid, 1 game, Delisted in 2022)
Mid-Season Pick 2: Jai Newcombe (Mid, 29 games, Signed to 2023)
Mid-Season Pick 17: Jackson Callow (Fwd, 3 games, Delisted in 2022)

2021
National Pick 7: Josh Ward (Mid, 14 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 23: Sam Butler (Mid, 9 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 26: Connor Macdonald (Mid, 20 games, Signed to 2023)
National Pick 53: Jai Serong (Fwd, 3 games, Signed to 2023)
Category B Rookie: Fionn O’Hara (Mid, 0 games, Signed to 2023)
Rookie Pick 5: Ned Long (Mid, 1 game, Signed to 2023)
Mid-Season Pick 6: Max Ramsden (Ruck/Fwd, 0 games, Signed to 2023)
Mid-Season Pick 20: James Blanck (Def, 9 games, Signed to 2023)

Melbourne-8/10
North-7/10
Port-7/10
Stkilda-6/10
Sydney-9/10
Dogs-9/10
Eagles-4/10.

 

[Wrenny]

Mr Smythe

I'm in need of your expertise.

Seen this article and wonder if any of these guys would be better than some of the KPF that might be available around our pick.

Jerome Lawrence (Oakleigh Chargers/Hawthorn F/S)

Age: 19

Position: Key forward (196cm)

Jerome Lawrence, the son of premiership Hawk Stephen, has popped up as one of the “surprise packets” of this year’s draft. The father-son prospect played 10 games in the NAB League, showing good speed off the mark and aerial skills. He kicked five goals in a standout performance this season, and finished with another 10 goals from nine matches. Potential is a word being thrown around by recruiters.

Kaelan Bradtke (Sydney VFL)

Age: 20

Position: Key forward (196cm)

He scored a state combine invite after just two VFL games, such is the raw athleticism he shows. He’s 196cm but has incredible speed and agility. It’s untapped potential to a large extent, but if a club could get the best out of him it would be a bargain pickup. He has bolted into draft calculations after his late-season showings for Sydney.

Josh Rentsch (Sturt)

Age: 18

Position: Forward (197cm, 100kg)

Josh Rentsch is considered one of the strongest contested marks in the AFL Draft crop. The key forward has been likened to Port Adelaide’s [PLAYERCARD]Charlie Dixon[/PLAYERCARD], due to his sheer size and presence. But despite winning the 2021 Morrish Medal (NAB League best and fairest) and being named in both the 2021 NAB League Team of the Year and the Victoria Country State Under 19s team, Rentsch was overlooked in the 2021 Draft. So he turned to Sturt in the SANFL and dominated at Reserves level, kicking 12.8 in seven games. The teen was promoted to the league side to see out the 2022 season, but didn’t have as big an impact on the scoreboard, finishing with 10 goals from 11 games.

Hamish Ellem (West Adelaide)

Age: 21

Position: Forward (195cm, 96kg)

The Sydney Academy product arrived in the SANFL with plenty of expectation, with recruiters impressed by his speed and hands at ground level considering his size. Hamish Ellem is no stranger to the Draft process, having attended the combine back in 2019 after representing the Allies that same year. Now more mature, Ellem is a key position forward and back-up ruck who once blitzed the 20m sprint - registering 3.01 despite his almost 100kg frame. The 21-year-old kicked 13 goals from his 16 SANFL league matches, including 4.0 against North Adelaide late in the season.

How would these guys stack up against say a [PLAYERCARD]Tom Scully[/PLAYERCARD], Harry Lemmey, Jovan Petric type (KPFs around our picks) in regards to potential?

 

[Smythe]

Mr Smythe

I'm in need of your expertise.

Seen this article and wonder if any of these guys would be better than some of the KPF that might be available around our pick.

Jerome Lawrence (Oakleigh Chargers/Hawthorn F/S)

Age: 19

Position: Key forward (196cm)

Jerome Lawrence, the son of premiership Hawk Stephen, has popped up as one of the “surprise packets” of this year’s draft. The father-son prospect played 10 games in the NAB League, showing good speed off the mark and aerial skills. He kicked five goals in a standout performance this season, and finished with another 10 goals from nine matches. Potential is a word being thrown around by recruiters.

Kaelan Bradtke (Sydney VFL)

Age: 20

Position: Key forward (196cm)

He scored a state combine invite after just two VFL games, such is the raw athleticism he shows. He’s 196cm but has incredible speed and agility. It’s untapped potential to a large extent, but if a club could get the best out of him it would be a bargain pickup. He has bolted into draft calculations after his late-season showings for Sydney.

Josh Rentsch (Sturt)

Age: 18

Position: Forward (197cm, 100kg)

Josh Rentsch is considered one of the strongest contested marks in the AFL Draft crop. The key forward has been likened to Port Adelaide’s Charlie Dixon, due to his sheer size and presence. But despite winning the 2021 Morrish Medal (NAB League best and fairest) and being named in both the 2021 NAB League Team of the Year and the Victoria Country State Under 19s team, Rentsch was overlooked in the 2021 Draft. So he turned to Sturt in the SANFL and dominated at Reserves level, kicking 12.8 in seven games. The teen was promoted to the league side to see out the 2022 season, but didn’t have as big an impact on the scoreboard, finishing with 10 goals from 11 games.

Hamish Ellem (West Adelaide)

Age: 21

Position: Forward (195cm, 96kg)

The Sydney Academy product arrived in the SANFL with plenty of expectation, with recruiters impressed by his speed and hands at ground level considering his size. Hamish Ellem is no stranger to the Draft process, having attended the combine back in 2019 after representing the Allies that same year. Now more mature, Ellem is a key position forward and back-up ruck who once blitzed the 20m sprint - registering 3.01 despite his almost 100kg frame. The 21-year-old kicked 13 goals from his 16 SANFL league matches, including 4.0 against North Adelaide late in the season.

How would these guys stack up against say a Tom Scully, Harry Lemmey, Jovan Petric type (KPFs around our picks) in regards to potential?

Out of these, Rentsch is the strongest possibility, but Jerome Lawrence might have a higher ceiling, however if Lemmey and Scully are gone and a KPF is what the tigers are after there are other to consider.
As you stated Petric may be there but is really raw (like Lawrence who is hawthorn f/s) but there is also Jasper Scaife, strong hands probably the best set shot action and covers 50 easy, just needs to learn more fwd craft and is not that bad below knees or skill wise by hands and feet.
Has the body that could strengthen up well and give him the confidence to smash packs, but what i do like are his contested marks and hands in general.....if he doesnt mark it, it gets brought down to his feet for the crumbers. He has potential in my eye.
Out of the guys you mentioned i would rank them, Lawrence, Rentsch, Ellem, Bradtke, but have them all behind Scully, Scaife, Lemmey and Petric.
I cant say who they are looking at exactly, word is they like Scully then Lemmey, and have spoken to petric, but who i would choose (especially if those guys are gone) is Jasper Scaife.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

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