Preview 2022 draft prospects

[KJpie]

We wouldn't do it until you're on the clock to make sure that Davey hasn't been bid on yet. If a bid comes in before we trade up we probably trade to someone like Hawthorne or Carlton for an F2 and a current third.

We will bid on Davey forcing you to use 22 on him, effectively taking it of board prior to our picks at 25 & 27.
It you can't trade up to pick 14ish then it would be simpler if you swap your 22 & 68 for our 25 & 51.
It's a simple pick swap without involving your futures, we move up 3 spots & you get an extra 111 points. Win/ Win

 

[loki04]

I've recorded votes by 28 posters and thx to KinderSmock the nexus between Hayes and Hewett is broken, Lewis Hayes takes the outright lead, Keeler has made a move over the weekend (thx to an impressive highlights reel) and Weddle moves to outright 3rd thanks to Jelly Bean and sr36

	In a heartbeat		Realistic Candidates	Votes
1	Will Ashcroft		Lewis Hayes	6​
2	George Wardlaw		Elijah Hewett	5​
3	Elijah Tsatsas		Josh Weddle	4​
4	Harry Sheezel		Henry Hustwaite	3​
5	Aaron Cadman		Isaac Keeler	2​
6	Bailey Humphrey		Edward Allen	1​
7	Jhye Clark		Harry Barnett	1​
8	Reuben Ginbey		Oliver Hollands	1​
9	Mattaes Phillipou		Brayden George	1​
10	Cameron McKenzie		Ollie Hotton	1​
11	Jedd Busslinger		Matthew Jefferson	1​
12	Oliver Hollands
			Jedd Busslinger	0​
	Jaspa Fletcher		Jacob Konstanty
	Alwyn Davey Jnr		Lachie Cowan

Weddles highlights certainly look good as well. Interesting that this draft has been talked down a bit I feel like there is a few options that look quality even at our pick...

We will bid on Davey forcing you to use 22 on Davey effectively taking it of board prior to our picks at 25 & 27.
It you can't trade up to pick 14ish then it would be simpler if you swap your 22 & 68 for our 25 & 51.
It's a simple pick swap without involving your futures, we move up 3 spots & you get an extra 111 points. Win/ Win

Dont forget you're dealing with Adrian Dodoro from Essendon mate, he doesn't believe in win/win trades or neutral cost, it's all about him outright winning them.

 

[eth-dog]

We will bid on Davey forcing you to use 22 on him, effectively taking it of board prior to our picks at 25 & 27.
It you can't trade up to pick 14ish then it would be simpler if you swap your 22 & 68 for our 25 & 51.
It's a simple pick swap without involving your futures, we move up 3 spots & you get an extra 111 points. Win/ Win

I doubt that you will. You're essentially gaining what is likely to be an early 20's pick for a 6 pick downgrade in a very even crop of players between 15 and 30

Weddles highlights certainly look good as well. Interesting that this draft has been talked down a bit I feel like there is a few options that look quality even at our pick...



Dont forget you're dealing with Adrian Dodoro from Essendon mate, he doesn't believe in win/win trades or neutral cost, it's all about him outright winning them.

In what world is two early 20's picks for a late teens pick not an overwhelming win to Collingwood?

 

[KJpie]

Dont forget you're dealing with Adrian Dodoro from Essendon mate, he doesn't believe in win/win trades or neutral cost, it's all about him outright winning them.

As it currently stands we hold the power as we can bid on Davey with our first and force a negotiation whether Dodoro likes it or not

 

[sr36]

I'd do that,
The issue you have is when the 2 bids come for Ascroft & Fletcher (approx 15) then our pick 16 goes out by 2 spots to 18. If someone then bids on Davey @ 17 or just prior you have to use our first you just traded in to match that bid.
You would be better off packaging 22 & a future 2nd (appeals) to acquire picks around 14 & 40+ so you can pick another player with 14 and then use 40 & other later picks you hold (54 & 62) to match that bid on Davey at 17ish

I'd do it to, but from an Essendon point of view, they wouldn't do it before the draft, they'd do it in the draft once our pick arrives. Even if they don't want to do a trade like this, I think they'll get a phone call from a club telling them that they're about to bid on Davey and suggesting a trade like this.

 

[eth-dog]

As it currently stands we hold the power as we can bid on Davey with our first and force a negotiation whether Dodoro likes it or not

... We can also then trade with someone who will give us a Future 2nd and a pick in the 40's to match instead.

Bidding on Davey won't get you the pick. Why trade back 3 spots to a pick we won't use when we can trade into a future 2nd to get a pick we will use? You want to have your cake and eat it too.

If your pick comes around and we offer you 23, 68 and our F2 for 17 and 48 (post Ashcroft) I'd be surprised if you didn't take it.

 

[loki04]

I doubt that you will. You're essentially gaining what is likely to be an early 20's pick for a 6 pick downgrade in a very even crop of players between 15 and 30

In what world is two early 20's picks for a late teens pick not an overwhelming win to Collingwood?

The point was HE likely wouldn't do that trade as it doesn't outright favour him.

Not Collingwood.

 

[KJpie]

In what world is two early 20's picks for a late teens pick not an overwhelming win to Collingwood?

Be careful, I'm being respectful to you on our board.
I think you need to go back & read my first reply to you again where I clearly stated "I'd do that" as that is clearly a better deal for us.
You may be happy to do that, but it's doubtful Dodoro would even consider the above, thus suggesting a simple swap of 22 & 68 for 25 & 68

 

[KJpie]

I'd do it to, but from an Essendon point of view, they wouldn't do it before the draft, they'd do it in the draft once our pick arrives. Even if they don't want to do a trade like this, I think they'll get a phone call from a club telling them that they're about to bid on Davey and suggesting a trade like this.

Absolutely, It's a given

 

[eth-dog]

The point was HE likely wouldn't do that trade as it doesn't outright favour him.

Not Collingwood.

It does favour us. It guarantees we get two picks before Davey.

Be careful, I'm being respectful to you.
I think you need to go back & read my first reply to you again where I clearly stated "I'd do that" as that is clearly a better deal for us.
You may be happy to do that, but it's doubtful Dodoro would even consider the above, thus suggesting a simple swap of 22 & 68 for 25 & 68

As I said, it guarantees two picks before Davey which is what we want to do.

 

[Apex36]

If 4 is on the table then they are clearly open to moving down the order. How far? Who knows.

They supposedly want Phillipou, which will still require a top 10 pick. That immediately puts us out of the frame.

Yeah it’s fanciful we’ll have the capital for it (Dodo will probably want 20 picks for it). But no harm in a hypothetical.

It’s not just fanciful. We flat out don’t have what would be required.

Let’s be honest, the players we are speculating/wanting in this thread Hine probably won’t pick anyway lol. But yet… we do it.

Speculate away, but don’t compare people speculating on players who are realistically in our pick range to dreaming about a pick upgrade that’s not even close to within our reach.

 

[sr36]

If your pick comes around and we offer you 23, 68 and our F2 for 17 and 48 (post Ashcroft) I'd be surprised if you didn't take it.

I agree, unless there is someone we really rate left on the board. Not sure if it'll be us, but I'm expecting a club to call you and tell you that they're about to bid on Davey and offering a trade like that.

If a club bids on Davey, can you then trade 22 before matching with later picks?

 

[loki04]

I agree, unless there is someone we really rate left on the board. Not sure if it'll be us, but I'm expecting a club to call you and tell you that they're about to bid on Davey and offering a trade like that.

If a club bids on Davey, can you then trade 22 before matching with later picks?

Someone on EBnW stated yesterday that once the bid is live you can't trade the pick.

It has to happen prior to the bid being placed.

 

[eth-dog]

I agree, unless there is someone we really rate left on the board. Not sure if it'll be us, but I'm expecting a club to call you and tell you that they're about to bid on Davey and offering a trade like that.

If a club bids on Davey, can you then trade 22 before matching with later picks?

Yep. Hawthorne, Carlton and St Kilda all interested in the pick so we'd probably trade 22 to one for an F2 and 44 (Saints), 45 (Hawks), 46 (Carlton) post Ashcroft bid.

 

[loki04]

It does favour us. It guarantees we get two picks before Davey.

As I said, it guarantees two picks before Davey which is what we want to do.

No I said outright winning. This trade would be seen as decent outcome for both teams.

Dodoro doesn't often trade like that its why he either booms or busts at the trade table a lot. He has a really poor reputation from what ive read fwiw.

 

[KJpie]

... We can also then trade with someone who will give us a Future 2nd and a pick in the 40's to match instead.

Bidding on Davey won't get you the pick. Why trade back 3 spots to a pick

I've actually said as much, are you actually reading before you post.
Re: "Bidding on Davey won't get you the pick. Why trade back 3 spots to a pick"
I've clearly outlined why trading back benefits both clubs without you having to use your future 2nd.
Post with others, your wasting my time as your clearly not reading the posts & you keep changing the goal posts.
Have a good day

 

[Apex36]

Someone on EBnW stated yesterday that once the bid is live you can't trade the pick.

It has to happen prior to the bid being placed.

Pretty sure they’re wrong.

 

[loki04]

Pretty sure they’re wrong.

I thought so too as I'm sure a club has previously done it. But rules also change when someone exploits something the afl don't like.

 

[sr36]

Yep. Hawthorne, Carlton and St Kilda all interested in the pick so we'd probably trade 22 to one for an F2 and 44 (Saints), 45 (Hawks), 46 (Carlton) post Ashcroft bid.

With next year's draft highly rated, I doubt you'd get more than the F2.

 

[Apex36]

I thought so too as I'm sure a club has previously done it. But rules also change when someone exploits something the afl don't like.

I’m certain it’s been done before and I haven’t seen anything regarding a rule change about it.

 

[loki04]

I’m certain it’s been done before and I haven’t seen anything regarding a rule change about it.

Yeah it's what I thought need someone to find the rule.

Makes not holding out till the year of draft seem ridiculous decision last year really.

 

[eth-dog]

No I said outright winning. This trade would be seen as decent outcome for both teams.

Dodoro doesn't often trade like that its why he either booms or busts at the trade table a lot. He has a really poor reputation from what ive read fwiw.

That's a lazy assessment. He wants a good deal for Essendon, sure.

We've previously traded our F2 to move up for Harrison Jones for example. We'd do the trade.

I've actually said as much, are you actually reading before you post.
Re: "Bidding on Davey won't get you the pick. Why trade back 3 spots to a pick" I've clearly outlined why trading back benefits both clubs without you having to use your future 2nd.
Post with others, your wasting my time as your clearly not reading the posts & you keep changing the goal posts.
Have a good day

Not me. If a bid comes before we trade up 25 gets us a pick that we won't use. There are 2 scenarios of us trading 22:

1. To move ahead of a Davey bid to guarantee two players plus Davey x2
2. If a Davey bid comes before it, we trade in a future second (which we might actually use) and another 350-ish points to match.

I'm not shifting the goal posts. We do one or the other.

The fact that you think the Hawks would swap pick 6 with the above is ludicrous

Where did I mention pick 6? They'd be trading the Dogs F2 and what would be pick 45 for pick 24. Why wouldn't they do that swap?

 

[cityslick1]

I'll leave this here..

Reminds me of Jarryd Blair. third pick only please

 

[loki04]

The fact that you think the Hawks would swap pick 6 with the above is ludicrous

Haha Hawks are on a scorched earth tank rebuild the bad kind no way they are giving up any top 6 picks.
They are loading up on top end talents like Melbourne did all those years ago. Imo it's the wrong way to do it traded too much experience doesn't bode well for developing and fast rebounds.

 

[loki04]

Reminds me of Jarryd Blair. 2nd or third pick only please

Crikey! although if Blair had 20cm and could kick 50m he'd of been a gun.
But if my Aunty had balls she'd be my uncle.