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bird_man said:
He has the self-belied and on-field talent to be a special player, if it clicks, at AFL level. But just where WA on-baller Hewett is taken in the upcoming draft remains a mystery. After a slow start to his 2022 campaign, Hewett announced himself as one of Western Australia’s top prospects with a terrific carnival showing against Vic Metro, showing off breathtaking power at the coalface and finishing with a game-high 29 disposals, 11 inside 50s, six marks, five clearances and two telling goals. He also played nine WAFL league matches for Swan Districts this year, averaging 14 disposals and kicking one goal in each of his last four games. The explosive and agile prospect, however, is polarising AFL clubs, with one recruiter declaring his draft range was between Picks 12 and 40. Hewett recently spoke with St Kilda coach Ross Lyon, with the Saints (Pick 9) doing work on him. He’s also been linked to the Eagles, Crows, Blues and Giants. On talent alone, Hewett is a first-round pick, but some recruiters wouldn’t be surprised if he slipped to the back-end of the second round.
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Hewett looks a talent. Question is where do other clubs rate him and how late in the draft can we get him?
 

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bird_man said:
It's not just his senior footy he is being judged on though.

He had a disappointing under 18's championships after his first game.

Clearly he's got many recruiters thinking the same way too, which would be why many have tipped him to fall to the 2nd round.
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Well that’s all incredibly understandable if he was hit hard by Covid and it lingered for a couple of months.

About 3 or 4 years ago I got sick and then probably before I was quite ready for it I went out in some very cold night air, and did a bit too much, and got exposed to too much cold, and then the next day I woke up feeling shocking again, and the problem had moved up to my lungs.

Was okayish enough to get out and about by about 5/6 days later, but lung issues lingered and my energy levels were mega-low for the rest of the winter, and into the spring.

About all I had the energy to do was shopping for essentials, and not much else.

It sounds like Hewett was experiencing something similar, so if he was, judging him on his footy during that period would be, frankly, foolish.

Would be like when many on here were writing Bailey Smith off in 2018, because of how he was performing when playing with a known knee injury.

You pretty much have to forget they even played. If anything, the fact they kept playing through adversity is a big green flag.

I suspect the biggest questionmarks for him, like one or two others, are about things other than how he performs on field.
 
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Well hopefully this time tomorrow we will all be content with our pick or picks in the first round.

Go Saints!
 
George said:
Just want to strike from the record that I do not know this guy and we did not go to school together



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Dard Ball Get was right about Cal
JediSaint said:
Brad Scott interview with Cal Twomey hinted they will select Tsatas

Melb has made offers to move up the draft order to Norf (3) Ess (4) GC (5).
I’m hinting they desperately want Humphrey. Some X factor in their forward line.
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That's the impression I got too
 
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As well as Souup, another I’ve come across who’s posts make for extremely interesting reading are that of WCE_Phil, from the West Coast board.

Another who is apparently scouting for an AFL club (over this side of the country), and has been heavily involved in interview processes.

His comments about how Pou and Hewett interviewed are very interesting, if you take him on his word (and if he’s making it all up, he’s gone to an awful lot of trouble to do so, with lots of very detailed posts).

Here are some tidbits from his posts

“I've interviewed (well been in interviews) with Phillipou, his family and with Hewett. People need to remember Phillipou is 17 and not incredibly mature.

He is very confident about his ability.
He can come across as arrogant but I personally didn't read that in him, it was more just how he speaks.
He is the type who will either get 110% out of his ability or be a bust. I worry about his professionalism but that is more maturity and age related and I think it will sort itself out in a club environment. Or he could get depressed in not knowing he's the best and fall apart.
His family drinks his bathwater.
He is a confidence player who is brilliant enough to drag his team over the line.
His football particularly without the back injury speaks for itself. He is a top 3 talent in this draft factoring in for age and maturity. Would I draft him at 8 or 12. Absolutely.
(I was interviewing for an eastern states club)
I think he slides. Back injury and personality but from top 3 to 8-15

Hewett is overly confident and does come across as cracking the shits when things aren't going his way. But he uses it to try and focus and improve. Similar to Yeo.
He has had issues but has matured a lot over the year.
He is very close to his family
He is an on field leader who with confidence will drag his team over the line.
He is imo a flight risk.
I think he slides from top 5 to 18-25.
I would happily draft him at 12 or 20

My player rankings based purely on raw talent accounting for age (not where they will be drafted and I have Lemmey remove for reasons I won't answer)

1. Wardlaw
2. Phillipou
3. Sheezel
4. Hewett
5. Keeler
6. Busslinger
7. Mackenzie
8. Ashcroft
9. George
10. Humphrey”

“Hewett has had some character related rumours and issues during the year as well as not dominating. If he was dominating he would go top 5, I consider him in the top 5 talents in the draft group.”

“Hewett is a top 10 talent who has had some issues this year. Mind you if he was playing WAFL colts all season he would have been absolutely dominant.

Didn't interview great at the combine and is definitely down on fitness/application this year imo. He gets marked down by a lot because of his dominance last year yet it didn't seem to translate to the higher level as much as expected.

There are also rumours of outside issues however I have no proof of this and he interviewed well. Did give body impressions and slight reads about wanting to stay in WA when I was in the interview. It's why I think he potentially drops.”

“On talent I still have it Wardlaw, Sheezel, Keeler on pure talent but I wouldn't pick keeler before our third pick unless every single one of the potential mids i'm interested in are gone.

Tsatas is a second touch player who struggles with kicking under pressure and at speed. Gets a * load of the ball though and makes good decisions. A faster, less accurate Jack Macrae. Off my list

Cadman including OOF stats and shorts that didn't make the distance / rushed kicked at under 50% at goal this year. Off the list even if there at 20. In contested situations his ball drop to his foot and field kicking isn't great. To me he's more the big bodied contested mid and great mark who can kick goals but thats a big ******* risk with his disposal. If we had Paul Salmon in the goal square sure.

I like back injuries (particularly if you've seen him try to bend down and reach for the ball since) in juniors about as much as people liked Aids in the 80's. I'm worried about Philippou.

Hewett is too laconic for my tastes and I don't see the hardness to break a tag. His best is unreal but he's almost as much of a tease as Keeler.

Mackenzie. Needs more consistency but unlike Hewett I can see that competitive edge. (we'll see how he goes this weekend, if he plays a full game like he played the first half last weekend I'd take him at pick 2 without any of the above reservations)”

“I've seen Ginbey since he was 14. He's played midfield and HF for Dusborough as a junior, then backline mainly at WAFL with spurts in the midfield and HF (earlier). He has never been high production and his outstanding combine stats have in my reading told me that is a lack of play reading ability and footballing IQ. The closest comparison of an athletically gifted midfielder who lacked inside nous is yeo. However Yeo was always outstanding at reading the play in the back half and had to basically follow key midfielders for 2 years before becoming a strong mid himself. I'd say there's a 10% chance you get a yeo level mid without the aerial prowess, a 40% chance you get a serviceable AFL player and 50% complete bust.”

“Allan like Ginbey has a high ceiling but we're not talking 1-2 questions marks we're talking multiple, and as a club WCE has been horrendous at developing midfield talent for years. Speculative picks like this are not where I want the club heading.”

“There's a Key Defender who although different is on par maybe slightly ahead of Gibcus last year.

None of the key forwards are anywhere near the class of Amiss

Tsatas isn't on the level of Callaghan, doesn't have the penetration or precision of kicking. Has also already had a stress fracture injury to his feet.

Hewett is similar to Erasmus, i'd say better kicking but lower production

Ward is a level above the second tier of Midfield talent which all really fits into the 10-20 bracket of last years draft imo.

Phillipou has back issues but has a really high ceiling and if fully fit all year would be a top 2 pick but back issues in a junior who hasn't had a huge growth spurt is a major turn off. It's a huge red flag even though he is the only other mid prospect at or above the level of Ward. Or he's a week older, recovers from the back issue and is a top 3 rated pick next year.....
Jhye Clark is like Andrew Brayshaw lite. His kicking isn't as good and he isn't a real standout.

There are no true standout HBF prospects like last year

There is no-one with the outside class of Wanganeen-Milera”

And they were just from some of his posts that I searched for where he mentioned or was responding to posts that mentioned Hewett.
 
aussierulesrules said:
As well as Souup, another I’ve come across who’s posts make for extremely interesting reading are that of WCE_Phil, from the West Coast board.

Another who is apparently scouting for an AFL club (over this side of the country), and has been heavily involved in interview processes.

His comments about how Pou and Hewett interviewed are very interesting, if you take him on his word (and if he’s making it all up, he’s gone to an awful lot of trouble to do so, with lots of very detailed posts).

Here are some tidbits from his posts

“I've interviewed (well been in interviews) with Phillipou, his family and with Hewett. People need to remember Phillipou is 17 and not incredibly mature.

He is very confident about his ability.
He can come across as arrogant but I personally didn't read that in him, it was more just how he speaks.
He is the type who will either get 110% out of his ability or be a bust. I worry about his professionalism but that is more maturity and age related and I think it will sort itself out in a club environment. Or he could get depressed in not knowing he's the best and fall apart.
His family drinks his bathwater.
He is a confidence player who is brilliant enough to drag his team over the line.
His football particularly without the back injury speaks for itself. He is a top 3 talent in this draft factoring in for age and maturity. Would I draft him at 8 or 12. Absolutely.
(I was interviewing for an eastern states club)
I think he slides. Back injury and personality but from top 3 to 8-15

Hewett is overly confident and does come across as cracking the shits when things aren't going his way. But he uses it to try and focus and improve. Similar to Yeo.
He has had issues but has matured a lot over the year.
He is very close to his family
He is an on field leader who with confidence will drag his team over the line.
He is imo a flight risk.
I think he slides from top 5 to 18-25.
I would happily draft him at 12 or 20

My player rankings based purely on raw talent accounting for age (not where they will be drafted and I have Lemmey remove for reasons I won't answer)

1. Wardlaw
2. Phillipou
3. Sheezel
4. Hewett
5. Keeler
6. Busslinger
7. Mackenzie
8. Ashcroft
9. George
10. Humphrey”

“Hewett has had some character related rumours and issues during the year as well as not dominating. If he was dominating he would go top 5, I consider him in the top 5 talents in the draft group.”

“Hewett is a top 10 talent who has had some issues this year. Mind you if he was playing WAFL colts all season he would have been absolutely dominant.

Didn't interview great at the combine and is definitely down on fitness/application this year imo. He gets marked down by a lot because of his dominance last year yet it didn't seem to translate to the higher level as much as expected.

There are also rumours of outside issues however I have no proof of this and he interviewed well. Did give body impressions and slight reads about wanting to stay in WA when I was in the interview. It's why I think he potentially drops.”

“On talent I still have it Wardlaw, Sheezel, Keeler on pure talent but I wouldn't pick keeler before our third pick unless every single one of the potential mids i'm interested in are gone.

Tsatas is a second touch player who struggles with kicking under pressure and at speed. Gets a * load of the ball though and makes good decisions. A faster, less accurate Jack Macrae. Off my list

Cadman including OOF stats and shorts that didn't make the distance / rushed kicked at under 50% at goal this year. Off the list even if there at 20. In contested situations his ball drop to his foot and field kicking isn't great. To me he's more the big bodied contested mid and great mark who can kick goals but thats a big ******* risk with his disposal. If we had Paul Salmon in the goal square sure.

I like back injuries (particularly if you've seen him try to bend down and reach for the ball since) in juniors about as much as people liked Aids in the 80's. I'm worried about Philippou.

Hewett is too laconic for my tastes and I don't see the hardness to break a tag. His best is unreal but he's almost as much of a tease as Keeler.

Mackenzie. Needs more consistency but unlike Hewett I can see that competitive edge. (we'll see how he goes this weekend, if he plays a full game like he played the first half last weekend I'd take him at pick 2 without any of the above reservations)”

“I've seen Ginbey since he was 14. He's played midfield and HF for Dusborough as a junior, then backline mainly at WAFL with spurts in the midfield and HF (earlier). He has never been high production and his outstanding combine stats have in my reading told me that is a lack of play reading ability and footballing IQ. The closest comparison of an athletically gifted midfielder who lacked inside nous is yeo. However Yeo was always outstanding at reading the play in the back half and had to basically follow key midfielders for 2 years before becoming a strong mid himself. I'd say there's a 10% chance you get a yeo level mid without the aerial prowess, a 40% chance you get a serviceable AFL player and 50% complete bust.”

“Allan like Ginbey has a high ceiling but we're not talking 1-2 questions marks we're talking multiple, and as a club WCE has been horrendous at developing midfield talent for years. Speculative picks like this are not where I want the club heading.”

“There's a Key Defender who although different is on par maybe slightly ahead of Gibcus last year.

None of the key forwards are anywhere near the class of Amiss

Tsatas isn't on the level of Callaghan, doesn't have the penetration or precision of kicking. Has also already had a stress fracture injury to his feet.

Hewett is similar to Erasmus, i'd say better kicking but lower production

Ward is a level above the second tier of Midfield talent which all really fits into the 10-20 bracket of last years draft imo.

Phillipou has back issues but has a really high ceiling and if fully fit all year would be a top 2 pick but back issues in a junior who hasn't had a huge growth spurt is a major turn off. It's a huge red flag even though he is the only other mid prospect at or above the level of Ward. Or he's a week older, recovers from the back issue and is a top 3 rated pick next year.....
Jhye Clark is like Andrew Brayshaw lite. His kicking isn't as good and he isn't a real standout.

There are no true standout HBF prospects like last year

There is no-one with the outside class of Wanganeen-Milera”

And they were just from some of his posts that I searched for where he mentioned or was responding to posts that mentioned Hewett.
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Wow, now I don’t want anyone 😂
 
Dard Ball Get said:
Wow, now I don’t want anyone 😂
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Haha, those who scout for clubs do apparently tend to focus more on what they’re lacking, rather than what they have, so they’d be like that about just about everyone ever drafted.

He did say in a post from September that he didn’t think the top of this draft was particularly exceptional though, and that he wanted WC to split their top pick, as they eventually did.

Reckons the “2nd tier mids” from this draft (eg Clark, McKenzie) would have gone after pick 10 last year.

If we got Phillipou, that would make it Bytel, Windy and him that we’ve drafted in the last few years who came to the club with back issues.

Outside of that he’s very high on Pou though (at least his talent), and also a huge fan of Hewett.

It sounds like Hewett killed it last year and was expected to go really high, but that he didn’t quite take that next step as expected.

How much of that is due to being knocked around heavily due to Covid is the big question. A club getting him in the teens or beyond could be getting a real bargain.

Seems a real Luke Shuey type. Explosive out of stoppages and with very good kicking (including being dual-sided) to go with it.

Is he indigenous? I’m a lot more keen on him since reading how much Covid knocked him around. No way you’re going to play to your best if you’re lethargic af, and you’d probably be worn out by the end of the year even when you’d recovered.
 
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I reckon it would be a nightmare trying to place Tsatas.

Finds obscene amounts of the ball, and runs like Speedy Gonzales, but doesn’t win his own ball, thinks he’s playing Gaelic football (no tackling), only runs one way (according to some), struggles to kick under pressure, or at speed (which are basically the two times he’s going to do most of his kicks at AFL level!) and lacks kicking penetration.

What a mixture!

 
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Haha I'll be glad when this is over, so many different connotations it's starting to do my head in!

The way it had been going in that we'd get one of the good midfielders seems to be under a bit of a cloud. Hadn't really thought of it too much before but our biggest worry appears to be some other team trading up before our pick, shunting us just outside the range of the midfielders.
 
bird_man said:
It's worth noting that there are also academy players next year that will go high so whilst 15 turns into 17 whatever we have next year will also slide.

I just don't rate Hewett that highly and the way next years draft is looking I think it's a gamble we'd likely go on to regret.
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Next year’s draft is no different, they will just had more exposure due to no or less Covid
 
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aussierulesrules said:
Haha, those who scout for clubs do apparently tend to focus more on what they’re lacking, rather than what they have, so they’d be like that about just about everyone ever drafted.

He did say in a post from September that he didn’t think the top of this draft was particularly exceptional though, and that he wanted WC to split their top pick, as they eventually did.

Reckons the “2nd tier mids” from this draft (eg Clark, McKenzie) would have gone after pick 10 last year.

If we got Phillipou, that would make it Bytel, Windy and him that we’ve drafted in the last few years who came to the club with back issues.

Outside of that he’s very high on Pou though (at least his talent), and also a huge fan of Hewett.

It sounds like Hewett killed it last year and was expected to go really high, but that he didn’t quite take that next step as expected.

How much of that is due to being knocked around heavily due to Covid is the big question. A club getting him in the teens or beyond could be getting a real bargain.

Seems a real Luke Shuey type. Explosive out of stoppages and with very good kicking (including being dual-sided) to go with it.

Is he indigenous? I’m a lot more keen on him since reading how much Covid knocked him around. No way you’re going to play to your best if you’re lethargic af, and you’d probably be worn out by the end of the year even when you’d recovered.
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Think he’s very harsh on Ashcroft tbh. Ashcroft is a legit stud. Ball magnet and just as good as JHF.
 
Strong whispers that the hawks are gonna trade pick 7. Maybe we are looking to move up
 
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