List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread - Part I

[George]

Sticking this at the top of each page. If it gets annoying, let me know and I can just put it in the original post of the thread. Credit to Lore

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Just reading this thread and needed to vent.

Over the last 8 years, half of the AFL clubs have had bids on acadamy players within the first round, and matched it with absolute junk. And of course the rules change when CMac should have been our freebie!

Real sliding doors moment that we are discussing CMac OR Tsitsas, not CMac AND Tsitsas

Fot the record, these are the 20 players (including some absolutely top-shelf quality):
Bris - Coleman / Hipwood
Coll - McInnes / Quanor
Freo - Henry
GC - Bowes
GWS - Green / Setterfield / Perryman / Cumming / Hopper / Kennedy / Himmelberg
North - Thomas
Port - Jones
Sydney - Campbell / Blakey / Mills / Heeney
Dogs - Ugle-Hagan

Must be easy to be constantly competitive when you have an acadamy like Sydney has.

 

[bird_man]

Just reading this thread and needed to vent.

Over the last 8 years, half of the AFL clubs have had bids on acadamy players within the first round, and matched it with absolute junk. And of course the rules change this year when CMac should have been our freebie!

Real sliding doors moment that we are discussing CMac OR Tsitsas, not CMac AND Tsitsas

Fot the record, these are the 20 players:
Bris - Coleman / Hipwood
Coll - McInnes / Quanor
Freo - Henry
GC - Bowes
GWS - Green / Setterfield / Perryman / Cumming / Hopper / Kennedy / Himmelberg
North - Thomas
Port - Jones
Sydney - Campbell / Blakey / Mills / Heeney
Dogs - Ugle-Hagan

Must be easy to be constantly competitive when you have an acadamy like Sydney has.

We wouldnt have been able get him last either. No one inside the top 20 was eligible.

Look on the bright side though, if Owens was in this year's crop he also wouldn't be available as it's anyone inside the top 40 not eligible.

I think we did pretty well getting Owens and Windhager last year. Windy would probably go top 10 if that draft was done over.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We wouldnt have been able get him last either. No one inside the top 20 was eligible.

Look on the bright side though, if Owens was in this year's crop he also wouldn't be available as it's anyone inside the top 40 not eligible.

I think we did pretty well getting Owens and Windhager last year. Windy would probably go top 10 if that draft was done over.

Ive mentioned it before but a very simple way to assist teams outside the 8 is to allow them unfettered access to the NGA talent.

No team will sacrifice making finals just to get an NGA kid so tanking wouldn’t be an option.

Imagine the impact on us this season to be able to prelist McKenzie & still keep our 1st pick. Would offset issues with OOC & FAs choosing contending clubs all the time.

It would also encourage teams to put more focus on their NGA programs, which would drag more kids into elite programs (which was the point of it in the first place).


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[gubby88]

Any truth to the rumours of trading in a second Top 12ish pick?

I've heard a yes, with a little bit of no with a sprinkling of maybe.

You can take that to the bank and can go any pick

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[stavro#4]

he doesn't really play much like Jones to me. He's sort of like a Noah Anderson type of inside/outside mid.

Noah Anderson lite is a good description.

Probably more an accumulator less forward of the centre impact.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'm curious to find out how we draft enough quantity of worthwhile kids whilst pissing away 2nd round picks on needless trades.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I'm curious to find out how we draft enough quantity of worthwhile kids whilst pissing away 2nd round picks on needless trades.

We’ve got two?

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

What? He has a ceiling?

it'll be called the "mckenzie" by the time he retires

 

[stavro#4]

Twomey confirming Essendon looking at a number of players at pick 5.

The draft prospects that are “in the mix” for Essendon’s top-five pick

“Those two guys I think should appeal.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[L_W_P]

Ive mentioned it before but a very simple way to assist teams outside the 8 is to allow them unfettered access to the NGA talent.

No team will sacrifice making finals just to get an NGA kid so tanking wouldn’t be an option.

Imagine the impact on us this season to be able to prelist McKenzie & still keep our 1st pick. Would offset issues with OOC & FAs choosing contending clubs all the time.

It would also encourage teams to put more focus on their NGA programs, which would drag more kids into elite programs (which was the point of it in the first place).


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You say that but if winning 1 more game in 2022 was the difference between getting CMac + Phillipou/Tsatas or just our pick 9 then yeah, I'd rather go 11-11, finish 9th and get an extra top 10 pick.

Imagine if Carlton were in that situation this year? They weren't tanking but the perception would certainly stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[stavro#4]

You say that but if winning 1 more game in 2022 was the difference between getting CMac + Phillipou/Tsatas or just our pick 9 then yeah, I'd rather go 11-11, finish 9th and get an extra top 10 pick.

Imagine if Carlton were in that situation this year? They weren't tanking but the perception would certainly stick out like a sore thumb.

Or if you had an insane top 3 talent in your academy and you were a cusp finals team.

You would tank your way to 9-10th and grab them.

 

[L_W_P]

Or if you had an insane top 3 talent in your academy and you were a cusp finals team.

You would tank your way to 9-10th and grab them.

Absolutely.

Think of a team like Richmond.

If a kid like Wardlaw was in their NGA they would absolutely manage the likes of Cotchin, Dusty, JRoo and Lynch to try and miss finals. Then they get Wardlaw and still have the picks to trade for Taranto and Hopper.

Even if you moved it to the bottom 4 - Adelaide and Essendon would be trying to 'out tank' each other for that last spot in the 4 to get access to their kid.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You say that but if winning 1 more game in 2022 was the difference between getting CMac + Phillipou/Tsatas or just our pick 9 then yeah, I'd rather go 11-11, finish 9th and get an extra top 10 pick.

Imagine if Carlton were in that situation this year? They weren't tanking but the perception would certainly stick out like a sore thumb.

I just think the system for trading late picks is broken. 4 fourth round picks are not worth a top 10 pick.
Bidding system for F/S and academy should have been:

If someone bids on a player you can match with your following pick. If you don't have your following pick, you can match with a next years pick from the same draft round. If you don't have a 2nd round or a next years pick from the same ( or earlier ) round. Bad luck you can't match.
If a bottom team has a top ten talent, they get to match with their 2nd round pick. All sweet, they need a leg up.
If a top team has a top ten talent, they will have to match with their first round pick.
If they trade out both picks, well bad luck, they knew the kid was coming through the system. Sorry kid, your Daddy's team didn't want you.
If they have 2 first round talents, same system applies, you might need to choose.

 

[Highlander35]

IMO, you should only be allowed to carry the number of draft picks equal to the number of list spots available and with live trading now a thing, you should not being allowed to go into deficit to match.

It doesn't fix EVERYTHING, but it goes a long way to stop a mid 50s lottery pick contributing to a top player unless it accompanies 6+ total picks or a proper top 15-20 pick.

 

[stavro#4]

IMO, you should only be allowed to carry the number of draft picks equal to the number of list spots available and with live trading now a thing, you should not being allowed to go into deficit to match.

It doesn't fix EVERYTHING, but it goes a long way to stop a mid 50s lottery pick contributing to a top player unless it accompanies 6+ total picks or a proper top 15-20 pick.

I think the fix is that you need to hold and use a pick in that round.

I.e if we had pick 4 and the kid we wanted was going to be bid on at pick 3.

We should still be able to trade back from 4 to grab maybe 2 teens firsts and use one of those on our FS/Academy pick and another on a live selection.

The resolves the issue of all these second and third rounders being used as currency in the first round.

 

[FQFjt]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

t.co

All chips in on cmac now after watching this. Imagine him hitting up king for the next ten years

His weighted kicking to advantage (while running at pace) is really impressive.

 

[MordySaint]

Are we staying with our existing list at the moment or do we expect more delistings under RTB?

There's a few players who would be nervous in the next few weeks...

 

[Highlander35]

Are we staying with our existing list at the moment or do we expect more delistings under RTB?

There's a few players who would be nervous in the next few weeks...

I think Lienert and Bytel were the only uncontracted players remaining and they have since been resolved.

 

[Remboy]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

t.co

All chips in on cmac now after watching this. Imagine him hitting up king for the next ten years

The cards seem to be falling our way on McKenzie. The clubs picking before us appear to be committing to other players if the rumours are true.

 

[gringo2011]

I just think the system for trading late picks is broken. 4 fourth round picks are not worth a top 10 pick.
Bidding system for F/S and academy should have been:

If someone bids on a player you can match with your following pick. If you don't have your following pick, you can match with a next years pick from the same draft round. If you don't have a 2nd round or a next years pick from the same ( or earlier ) round. Bad luck you can't match.
If a bottom team has a top ten talent, they get to match with their 2nd round pick. All sweet, they need a leg up.
If a top team has a top ten talent, they will have to match with their first round pick.
If they trade out both picks, well bad luck, they knew the kid was coming through the system. Sorry kid, your Daddy's team didn't want you.
If they have 2 first round talents, same system applies, you might need to choose.

It's the double ups that are bullshit. Clubs trade out of their early rounds so get to double dip. The Dogs got to trade out to get JUH and Treloar with their picks. It's pushing top clubs further away from the rebuilding sides and is much worse than the old priority pick system. Add the free agency system and it's the most uneven system since pre equalisation days.

Changing half way through allowed clubs like the Dogs to benefit and then cutting them off meant no-one else had the same advantage. The AFL should have compensated all other sides with one first round academy pick from their own academy that gives sides a chance to catch up. Maybe within the next 5 years or a time frame like that. They need to address equalisation immediately. It takes 5 years to filter through so decisions now won't show up for a long time.

 

[Remboy]

Any truth to the rumours of trading in a second Top 12ish pick?

I think we’d have to give up too much to get that. I feel we’d be more likely to try for another second round pick.

 

[Max the great]

From what I've read Tsatas sounds like a Zac Jones that can win it 30 times every week. Sounds pretty good to me

Why is that a good thing? Jones doesn't put his head over it, is a bad decision maker and uses it poorly. You don't want a bloke like that getting it 30 times. Or even in your team tbh.

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[Winmar2Lockett]

You say that but if winning 1 more game in 2022 was the difference between getting CMac + Phillipou/Tsatas or just our pick 9 then yeah, I'd rather go 11-11, finish 9th and get an extra top 10 pick.

Imagine if Carlton were in that situation this year? They weren't tanking but the perception would certainly stick out like a sore thumb.

Supporters would say that but it wouldn't happen in club land.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Or if you had an insane top 3 talent in your academy and you were a cusp finals team.

You would tank your way to 9-10th and grab them.

Maybe it's not a pre-list then but a matched bid system

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Why is that a good thing? Jones doesn't put his head over it, is a bad decision maker and uses it poorly. You don't want a bloke like that getting it 30 times. Or even in your team tbh.

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Since when does Jones not put his head over the ball?

Jeez, short memories just how good Jonesy has been 2020-21... had a stinker this year under extenuating circumstances.