List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread - Part I

[George]

Sticking this at the top of each page. If it gets annoying, let me know and I can just put it in the original post of the thread. Credit to Lore

 

[CursingFijian]

I remember vividly when Leigh Montagna suggested Richo trial McCartin in defence, with his excellent reading of the play & field kicking a feature..alas, it took Sydney to do it!!

Moreover, it took Paddy McCartin to do it.

 

[bird_man]

Where did that come from , never heard that before

His game style has been compared to Jack Gunston by numerous draft watchers.

Unfortunately he's just not near as good.

Matt Allison
Calder Cannons, NAB League / Strathmore FC
Height: 192cm
Weight: 80 kg
29/01/02
Bio: Rangy tall forward who had some eye-catching performances as a bottom ager with the Calder Cannons in the 2019 NAB League playing 10 matches with his ability to read the ball in flight and present as a marking target a feature. Quite prominent in two trials this year averaging 13.5 disposals and 7 marks giving a glimpse of his development and drawing comparison to Hawthorn’s Jack Gunston. His father Brian Allison was an outstanding player in the VFA for Coburg playing 174 games, being selected in its Team of the Century and was a two-time Premiership Player.

 

[bird_man]

Looking likely now the top 7 will be...

Cadlow, Ashcroft, Sheezel, Wardlow, Tsatas, Humphrey, Phillipou, Clarke

Unknown whether Bombers take Tsatas or Phillipou but it seems likely Hawthorn take whichever one is left.

That will just have us crossing our fingers West Coast take a local at 9

Unfortunately I read today that interstate clubs should have no issue with taking Mackenzie as there doesn't seem to be the go home factor others may have

 

[CaptainRisky]

His game style has been compared to Jack Gunston by numerous draft watchers.

Unfortunately he's just not near as good.

Matt Allison
Calder Cannons, NAB League / Strathmore FC
Height: 192cm
Weight: 80 kg
29/01/02
Bio: Rangy tall forward who had some eye-catching performances as a bottom ager with the Calder Cannons in the 2019 NAB League playing 10 matches with his ability to read the ball in flight and present as a marking target a feature. Quite prominent in two trials this year averaging 13.5 disposals and 7 marks giving a glimpse of his development and drawing comparison to Hawthorn’s Jack Gunston. His father Brian Allison was an outstanding player in the VFA for Coburg playing 174 games, being selected in its Team of the Century and was a two-time Premiership Player.

Lets hope , has a long long way to go though

 

[longlivelenny]

Who would want Seb? He's only going to a club in challenge mode. A Brownlow medalist went for pick 27 this year and Matt Crouch didn't get looked at. I'd say he'd get us a token pick if he wasn't best 22. If Gresham stays fit he probably gets us 2 firsts with a second back and then we could try to replace him which would probably cost the same amount.

Clubs don't want the GOPs, they want top talent unless it's free or cheap.

Gresham 2 firsts? No chance.
One pick in the teens if we were lucky.

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[bird_man]

Lets hope , has a long long way to go though

I'd say there's next to zero chance he becomes the next Jack Gunston from what I've seen unfortunately.

I just hope he can at least become an AFL standard player before his contract is up.

 

[bird_man]

Gresham 2 firsts? No chance.
One pick in the teens if we were lucky.

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He's a free agent isn't he?

Probably gets us a first round pick

 

[longlivelenny]

They both showed the can play, I was surprised that nobody bid on them, always a bit of subterfuge with the AFL though, maybe a word to other clubs.
Maybe they hadn't shown enough to be straight out top twenty, Windy certainly was told to rest his 'bad back', so was a bit out of sight for the latter part of 2021.
Whatever the case, we had the advantage over other clubs, however they certainly didn't fall into our laps.

I don't think that the club holds that much sway over the nga products. Otherwise why wouldn't they have tried to get McKenzie to 'do an injury' to slow his rise up the ranks

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[bird_man]

I don't think that the club holds that much sway over the nga products. Otherwise why wouldn't they have tried to get McKenzie to 'do an injury' to slow his rise up the ranks

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Yeah or at least give out a hint that he would be home sick if he had to go interstate.

Sounds as though clubs don't see him as a flight risk at all.

It would be great if he came out and said he's love to get to St Kilda, but it seems as though he's not too fussed

 

[longlivelenny]

He's a free agent isn't he?

Probably gets us a first round pick

Potentially a first rounder compensation. He would need to be getting north of 650k to get a first rounder.
Saying that, if we got a pick after our first I would take that.
Think he's a bit overrated on here. He's a butcher of the highest order.

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[bird_man]

Potentially a first rounder compensation. He would need to be getting north of 650k to get a first rounder.
Saying that, if we got a pick after our first I would take that.
Think he's a bit overrated on here. He's a butcher of the highest order.

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Id prefer to keep him.

His field kicking is extremely frustrating and I don't think he will ever become an elite mid, but he's a weapon up forward.

If we can build a midfield strong enough that we can allow him to spend at least 50% time forward then we are a much better side.

 

[AirWinmar]

McCartin & Goddard (when Goddard slid to us) the bookends for the next decade

Billings, Dunstan and Acres was going to set us up and be our core as well.

Our coaching and development hasn't helped. We've got the best coaching group we've likely ever had - that will help with the strike rate. We'd probably be rapt if we could get back 2017 Billings and Acres has turned out OK

 

[AirWinmar]

Melbourne couldn't develop players until they started to draft better either. There is a bit of both but you can't polish a turd. The bulk of development is basic training like skills which are improved through skills drills and individual programs, fitness and games access. There is playing them in the VFL in position and working on flaws but over all most clubs do similar programs. Some development is sped up in a club higher up in the cycle too, because kids can come in and play without a direct opponent or a defined role because older guys will cover them.

The best clubs have more support staff which can help. Geelong before the soft cap, used to run 4 coaches per player, it means that no-one is left behind. The high picks rarely get left to self develop, it's guys taken late in the draft sent off to the VFL and left to themselves that really struggle to move forward in an unprofessional environment.

Interestingly Melbourne players seemed to draft better once they had a better coaching team..

Geelong turn all sorts of players into "stars" they've got great development. Ditto Sydney. Hopefully the footy department we have now will get similar results

 

[gringo2011]

They both showed the can play, I was surprised that nobody bid on them, always a bit of subterfuge with the AFL though, maybe a word to other clubs.
Maybe they hadn't shown enough to be straight out top twenty, Windy certainly was told to rest his 'bad back', so was a bit out of sight for the latter part of 2021.
Whatever the case, we had the advantage over other clubs, however they certainly didn't fall into our laps.

Owens showed his best form late and Windhager went down. Perhaps saved by fate in the end. Owens left his charge late and Windhager was out of sight as you say.

 

[gringo2011]

Matching bids by Sydney @ 33 and Geelong @ 47 fell into our laps? You people are clueless.

Being PF Brisbane and getting Ashcroft as a F/S is falling into your lap, being Finalist and getting Ugle-Hagen as Acedamy and Darcy F/S @ who were both touted as No.1 picks is falling into your lap.

Getting a player mid second round, and another third round while not being able to bid on them until after 20 (although other clubs have been able to) is anything but 'falling into our laps'.
Anything to hang s.hit on the clubs with some of you lot.

A bit of luck rather than falling in our laps then. We would have been crazy to pass on them and they've turned out better than most recent draftees so finally something fell our way. We are so used to suffering that when shit goes right it's celebration time.

 

[gringo2011]

Interestingly Melbourne players seemed to draft better once they had a better coaching team..

Geelong turn all sorts of players into "stars" they've got great development. Ditto Sydney. Hopefully the footy department we have now will get similar results

I would say that Geelong have stars in Tom Hawkins, Cameron, Danger, Selwood, Stewart etc but most of what makes them good is professionalism and systems. They are good at getting guys outside the pathways. Blicsavs, recycled types like Stengle, trades, state leagues, country footy etc.

I reckon Melbourne's current coach is average at best but they have a good team with Richo and Choco. Choco sounds like he's big on skill improvement but they got brave and traded up to get hold of very good players. They have a really good recruiters these days. Even their depth of youth is good.

 

[gringo2011]

Gresham 2 firsts? No chance.
One pick in the teens if we were lucky.

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If he says fit I reckon his value climbs. Lead us in a lot of our stats and he's one of the few with star potential. Almost identical stats to DeGoey before he went down. Turned 25 in August so heaps of footy left. I hope we don't trade him regardless.

 

[stavro#4]

Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?
Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?

 

[Joffaboy]

I don't think that the club holds that much sway over the nga products. Otherwise why wouldn't they have tried to get McKenzie to 'do an injury' to slow his rise up the ranks

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They told Windy to slow up mid way through last year, then he suddenly did his back and it miraculously fixed itself for the first training day on 2022 pre season.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?
Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?

Geez, the Dees offering a bit to get in early. Who do they want?

 

[Saints TV]

 

[Joffaboy]

Would be comfortable if this was the case

 

[stavro#4]

Would be comfortable if this was the caseView attachment 1558587

We won’t go wrong with the “left over” at our pick.

I just wish there was a way to land Tsatas/Phillipou AND Mackenzie

But looks like we would need Gibney to the suns and Eagles to take Busslinger/Allan + Carlton or the dogs to do a swapsies with us.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?
Dees' 'aggressive' plan, who pounces first on Phillipou?

How many Dexies has Cal munched?Bouncing on his chair like Lisa Ann at a step-son convention.

 

[heynow85]

Looking likely now the top 7 will be...

Cadlow, Ashcroft, Sheezel, Wardlow, Tsatas, Humphrey, Phillipou, Clarke

Unknown whether Bombers take Tsatas or Phillipou but it seems likely Hawthorn take whichever one is left.

That will just have us crossing our fingers West Coast take a local at 9

Unfortunately I read today that interstate clubs should have no issue with taking Mackenzie as there doesn't seem to be the go home factor others may have

I read hawks will take Gibney or Humphrey if Tsatas gone