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Hayes was playing on someone who isn't a great matchup. I think he'll be better on talls who aren't quite as explosive as Humphrey.
I haven’t watched the 2nd and 3rd quarters but in the 1st quarter I thought Hayes was very good on Humphrey.

Humphrey was obviously a focal point and had a number of almost moments but I actually wasn’t overly impressed with him.
 
After watching the game yesterday. Weddle is likely the third KPP player off the board. He won’t be far behind Busslinger or Cadman.

Hayes was decent too BUT Humphrey was one of the best on ground and Hayes was playing on him. I think Hayes drops to end of First round calculations.

I like Jhye Clark but likely gone before our pick. IF he is there, he would be hard to pass on. Needs will say MacKenzie or Busslinger before him but he isn’t a bad option.

I also noticed more of Binns than I had previously. He was good and could play that outside role for us. One of the better ones outside of the top 25.

Van Es got turned around and took too long disposing of the ball.
I get the sense there’s about 20 blokes in “end of first round calculations” after the top 10-12 players.

For this reason I’m ok keeping our pick #29 rather than Lobb (who I see the appeal of) and potentially downgrading our pick #11 to 2 picks (maybe GWS #19 and #21 once they have #19 from Richmond).
 

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I get the sense there’s about 20 blokes in “end of first round calculations” after the top 10-12 players.

For this reason I’m ok keeping our pick #29 rather than Lobb (who I see the appeal of) and potentially downgrading our pick #11 to 2 picks (maybe GWS #19 and #21 once they have #19 from Richmond).

I actually like that slide to 19&21. 11 is about the right pick to do that BUT I suspect Weddle goes at 10-14, so we would miss out on him.

I hate pick 29 for Lobb. We have pick 37, which is a much better option for us.
 
I actually like that slide to 19&21. 11 is about the right pick to do that BUT I suspect Weddle goes at 10-14, so we would miss out on him.

I hate pick 29 for Lobb. We have pick 37, which is a much better option for us.
Noting #19 and #21 likely become #21 and #23 with Amon and McStay comp we could possibly even get #21, #23 and #41 (currently #39) for our Pick #11.

Pick #41 can go to Brisbane to maximise what we get from them.

If Weddle is going pick #10-#14 then I’m excited about who will still be there at Brisbane’s pick #15 and our other selections.
 
Van Es had some nice use of the footy good size still needs to fill out. If we didn't get Hayes or Weddle I would take a flyer on him. Binns showed a bit in the Champa final yesterday.
He also had some terrible moments..panicking with the ball is not a good trait for a footballer, especially when exiting the back half. Not a good sign.
 
Not sure I see it with Hayes as a lead KPD that you’d take in the first round. The underaged half back Reid bullied him physically a couple of times in 1v1s after being thrown forward. Hayes’ numbers look good but seems to get a lot of his touches from sideways kicks in the backline.

Still keen on Weddle for a late first. He’s got a tough streak, is strong and quick and looks like he’ll keep filling out and be a genuinely big body at AFL level eventually.

Hustwaite is super composed. But his height is a myth, need to take out at least 2 useless inches of his giraffe neck.

We could really do with one of Konstanty or Charlie Clarke on the list.

Very good post, agree with all of it.

This is my issue with Hayes, he regularly gets played on the 3rd tall/mediums and isn't that great 1 on 1 at the moment. I'm not really convinced he's a genuine key position player and neither are the coaches by how they play him both at NAB league level and at championship level. Perhaps he might be one in time, but I really don't think it's overly convincing.

I wouldn't be upset if we took both Konstanty and Clarke. The ball bounces out of our forward line far too easily and I really like both.
 
VIA HS-

Max Gruzewski (Vic Metro)​

Forward/Defender, Oakleigh Chargers

H: 192cm, W: 84kg

Rating: 6/10

Draft Range: 20-35

Clubs who would suit: West Coast, Adelaide, Gold Coast, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs

A draft bolter, the versatile tall missed a large chunk of the season after going down with a PCL knee injury while playing for Caulfield Grammar.

The injury saw him miss Vic Metro’s first three games, but he showed some exciting signs in the final match and is in line to be a second-round draft pick.

Gruzewski took a huge contested mark in attack in the opening term and went back to kick the first goal of the game, before taking a second nice mark and slotting a second goal just two minutes later.

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He was quieter from that point on and spent some time on the bench, but that first-quarter purple patch showed recruiters he has some X-Factor.

Gruzewski has also played as an intercept defender this year and has featured in a forward-ruck role for Caulfield.
 
I don't like the fascination with 192-193 cm talls.
Sigh. I'm feeling my age. I remember when some of the best ruckmen were that height.
Even Chris Grant at CHB was only 193cm.

I think "talls" has to start at 194-195cm these days doesn't it?
 
Sigh. I'm feeling my age. I remember when some of the best ruckmen were that height.
Even Chris Grant at CHB was only 193cm.

I think "talls" has to start at 194-195cm these days doesn't it?
Must be all those growth hormones in beef these days...

I was the 4th tall in my school team at 6'1(184ish). How old am I? 🧙‍♂️

...but then, Big Nick was only 182 😳
 
If he measured at 192cm at the start of the year, could easily have grown a bit by now. Same with Weddle, I think he's 192 on the books but he seemed to match up just fine against 196cm Cadman.
 

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What picks do we have pre Dunkley trade?
Currently I think we have 11, 29, 37 (North's 3rd) and 65 but that will be subject to the usual shuffling depending on any PPs given to North and when bids come for Ashcroft etc.
 
Currently I think we have 11, 29, 37 (North's 3rd) and 65 but that will be subject to the usual shuffling depending on any PPs given to North and when bids come for Ashcroft etc.
Thanks a lot. Like going to the draft with 3 picks under 30 when you add the Dunks first rounder. Use 37 and 65 on Lobb and ask for something in the 40s in return.
 
My list from my amateur watching

A few things.

  • I think Cowan is heavily underrated and I get similar vibes off him to what I did when watching Docherty as an 18 year old. I think he’s more than capable of moving to a wing which is where he has played at times this year
  • Hollands is a pretty good fit us, I underrated him earlier in the season. He can play in multiple positions, but looks best on a wing in my opinion. I would certainly consider him at pick 11. Considered one of the best two way runners in the draft and would fit a need
  • There are some KPD's we could look at later in the draft. Hugh Davies is one from WA at 196cm. He got a national combine invite so he has a lot of clubs interested in him. He got a bag of goals kicked on him at the championships, but that doesn't necessarily mean he won't make it. Others have had bags kicked on them yet still made good AFL players. Anyway, he has some good athletic traits and is decent with ball in hand. Darcy Minchella caught my eye after watching some SA games. Very skinny, did well in the last half in the season. Classic project type, possibly as a defender or an undersized ruckman. Loads of potential. Kyle Marshall at 198cm too looked like another skinny project that could possibly be a rookie KPD chance also, but I was less excited about him admittedly.
To my list

1. George Wardlaw -182cm, 82kg - Midfielder
2. Harry Sheezel - 184cm, 77kg - Forward/Mid
3. Mattaes Phillipou – 192cm, 83kg - Midfielder/Fwd
4. Will Ashcroft – 182cm, 78kg - Fwd/Mid
5. Cameron McKenzie – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
6. Elijah Tsastas – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
7. Aaron Cadman – 196cm, 88kg – Tall Forward
8. Bailey Humphrey – 186cm, 86kg – Midfielder/Fwd
9. Reuben Ginbey – 188cm, 81kg – Midfielder/Def
10. Lachie Cowan – 188cm, 81kg – Defender/Mid
11. Brayden George – 186cm, 87kg – Forward/Mid
12. Oliver Hollands – 183cm, 71kg – Midfielder/Def
13. Jedd Busslinger – 196cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
14. Jhye Clark – 181cm, 77kg - Midfielder
15. Josh Weddle – 193cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
16. Ollie Hotton – 181cm, 77kg – Midfielder/forward
17. Isaac Keeler – 198cm, 88kg – Tall forward/Ruck
18. Elijah Hewett – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder/forward
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr – 180cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
20 Jacob Konstanty – 176cm, 70kg – Forward/Mid
21. Matthew Jefferson – 195cm, 78kg – Tall forward
22. Charlie Clark – 182cm, 75kg – Forward/Mid
23. Jaiden Magor – 185cm, 79kg - Forward/Mid
24. Sam Gilbey – 188cm, 71kg – Defender/Mid
25. Jakob Ryan – 189cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
26. Jaspa Fletcher – 184cm, 73kg - Midfielder
27. Harry Barnett – 202cm, 93kg – Ruck/Fwd
28. Lewis Hayes – 197cm, 81kg – Tall defender
29. Max Michalanney – 192cm, 78kg – Medium defender
30. Mitch Szybkowski – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder
31. Max Gruzewski – 193cm, 84kg – Tall defender/forward
32. Henry Hustwaite – 194cm, 84kg – Defender/Mid
33. Darcy Jones – 175cm, 63kg – Midfielder/Fwd
34. Cooper Harvey – 180cm, 79kg - Midfielder
35. Jaxon Binns – 182cm, 73kg - Midfielder
36. Harvey Gallagher – 179cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
37. Adam D’Aloia – 186cm, 86kg - Midfielder
38. Cooper Vickery – 180cm, 72kg – Defender
39. Harry Lemmey – 199cm, 93kg – Tall Forward/Def
40. Coby Burgiel – 183cm, 76kg – Midfielder/Def
41. Baxter Philip – 181cm, 61kg - Defender
42. Jack Cleaver – 188cm, 87kg - Defender
43. Kobe Ryan – 183cm, 73kg - Midfielder
44. Will Dowling – 187cm, 79kg - Midfielder
45. Noah Long – 178cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Fwd
46. Luke Teal – 188cm, 80kg – Defender/Mid
47. Lloyd Johnston – 184cm, 80kg - Defender
48. Tom McCullum – 192cm, 78kg – Defender
49. Phoenix Foster – 198cm, 87kg – Forward/Ruck
50. Max Knobel – 204cm, 86kg - Ruck
51. Anthony Munkara – 190cm - Forward
52. Kelsey Rypstra – 172cm – Forward/Mid
53. Hugh Bond – 184cm , 81kg - Midfielder
54. Will Verrall – 200cm, 93kg - Ruck
55. Darcy Minchella – 196cm, 75kg – Ruck/Def
56. Tyrell Dewar – 185cm, 70kg - Forward
57. Jonti Schuback – 183cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Def
58. Harry Rowston – 180cm, 78kg – Midfielder/Fwd
59. Blake Drury – 177cm, 73kg - Midfielder
60. Toby McMullin – 185cm – Forward
61. James Van Es – 196cm, 97kg – Tall Defender
62. Seth Campbell – 179cm, 69kg - Forward
63. Hugh Davies - 196cm, 85kg - Defender
64. Oscar Murdoch – 190cm, 88kg - Defender
65. Jed Hagan – 175cm, 73kg - Utility
66. Finn Emile-Brennan – 181cm, 62kg - Defender
67. Ethan Phillips – 196cm – Tall defender
68. Tom Scully – 201cm, 83kg – Tall forward
69. Beau Tedcastle – 177cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
70. Bailey McDonald – 182cm - Defender
 
My list from my amateur watching

A few things.

  • I think Cowan is heavily underrated and I get similar vibes off him to what I did when watching Docherty as an 18 year old. I think he’s more than capable of moving to a wing which is where he has played at times this year
  • Hollands is a pretty good fit us, I underrated him earlier in the season. He can play in multiple positions, but looks best on a wing in my opinion. I would certainly consider him at pick 11. Considered one of the best two way runners in the draft and would fit a need
  • There are some KPD's we could look at later in the draft. Hugh Davies is one from WA at 196cm. He got a national combine invite so he has a lot of clubs interested in him. He got a bag of goals kicked on him at the championships, but that doesn't necessarily mean he won't make it. Others have had bags kicked on them yet still made good AFL players. Anyway, he has some good athletic traits and is decent with ball in hand. Darcy Minchella caught my eye after watching some SA games. Very skinny, did well in the last half in the season. Classic project type, possibly as a defender or an undersized ruckman. Loads of potential. Kyle Marshall at 198cm too looked like another skinny project that could possibly be a rookie KPD chance also, but I was less excited about him admittedly.
To my list

1. George Wardlaw -182cm, 82kg - Midfielder
2. Harry Sheezel - 184cm, 77kg - Forward/Mid
3. Mattaes Phillipou – 192cm, 83kg - Midfielder/Fwd
4. Will Ashcroft – 182cm, 78kg - Fwd/Mid
5. Cameron McKenzie – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
6. Elijah Tsastas – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
7. Aaron Cadman – 196cm, 88kg – Tall Forward
8. Bailey Humphrey – 186cm, 86kg – Midfielder/Fwd
9. Reuben Ginbey – 188cm, 81kg – Midfielder/Def
10. Lachie Cowan – 188cm, 81kg – Defender/Mid
11. Brayden George – 186cm, 87kg – Forward/Mid
12. Oliver Hollands – 183cm, 71kg – Midfielder/Def
13. Jedd Busslinger – 196cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
14. Jhye Clark – 181cm, 77kg - Midfielder
15. Josh Weddle – 193cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
16. Ollie Hotton – 181cm, 77kg – Midfielder/forward
17. Isaac Keeler – 198cm, 88kg – Tall forward/Ruck
18. Elijah Hewett – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder/forward
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr – 180cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
20 Jacob Konstanty – 176cm, 70kg – Forward/Mid
21. Matthew Jefferson – 195cm, 78kg – Tall forward
22. Charlie Clark – 182cm, 75kg – Forward/Mid
23. Jaiden Magor – 185cm, 79kg - Forward/Mid
24. Sam Gilbey – 188cm, 71kg – Defender/Mid
25. Jakob Ryan – 189cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
26. Jaspa Fletcher – 184cm, 73kg - Midfielder
27. Harry Barnett – 202cm, 93kg – Ruck/Fwd
28. Lewis Hayes – 197cm, 81kg – Tall defender
29. Max Michalanney – 192cm, 78kg – Medium defender
30. Mitch Szybkowski – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder
31. Max Gruzewski – 193cm, 84kg – Tall defender/forward
32. Henry Hustwaite – 194cm, 84kg – Defender/Mid
33. Darcy Jones – 175cm, 63kg – Midfielder/Fwd
34. Cooper Harvey – 180cm, 79kg - Midfielder
35. Jaxon Binns – 182cm, 73kg - Midfielder
36. Harvey Gallagher – 179cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
37. Adam D’Aloia – 186cm, 86kg - Midfielder
38. Cooper Vickery – 180cm, 72kg – Defender
39. Harry Lemmey – 199cm, 93kg – Tall Forward/Def
40. Coby Burgiel – 183cm, 76kg – Midfielder/Def
41. Baxter Philip – 181cm, 61kg - Defender
42. Jack Cleaver – 188cm, 87kg - Defender
43. Kobe Ryan – 183cm, 73kg - Midfielder
44. Will Dowling – 187cm, 79kg - Midfielder
45. Noah Long – 178cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Fwd
46. Luke Teal – 188cm, 80kg – Defender/Mid
47. Lloyd Johnston – 184cm, 80kg - Defender
48. Tom McCullum – 192cm, 78kg – Defender
49. Phoenix Foster – 198cm, 87kg – Forward/Ruck
50. Max Knobel – 204cm, 86kg - Ruck
51. Anthony Munkara – 190cm - Forward
52. Kelsey Rypstra – 172cm – Forward/Mid
53. Hugh Bond – 184cm , 81kg - Midfielder
54. Will Verrall – 200cm, 93kg - Ruck
55. Darcy Minchella – 196cm, 75kg – Ruck/Def
56. Tyrell Dewar – 185cm, 70kg - Forward
57. Jonti Schuback – 183cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Def
58. Harry Rowston – 180cm, 78kg – Midfielder/Fwd
59. Blake Drury – 177cm, 73kg - Midfielder
60. Toby McMullin – 185cm – Forward
61. James Van Es – 196cm, 97kg – Tall Defender
62. Seth Campbell – 179cm, 69kg - Forward
63. Hugh Davies - 196cm, 85kg - Defender
64. Oscar Murdoch – 190cm, 88kg - Defender
65. Jed Hagan – 175cm, 73kg - Utility
66. Finn Emile-Brennan – 181cm, 62kg - Defender
67. Ethan Phillips – 196cm – Tall defender
68. Tom Scully – 201cm, 83kg – Tall forward
69. Beau Tedcastle – 177cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
70. Bailey McDonald – 182cm - Defender
I am likewise really high on Cowan, I've said here previously that Cowan, Hotton and Weddle is my dream draft (realistically)
 
Okay finally come to my conclusion. Our first pick, if it remains around the 11 mark, my first preference is Elijah Hewett. Closely followed by Oli Hotton, and Hollands. We need burst speed and class and from what I have seen and read, these three fit the bill perfectly, whilst also being somewhat unique to each other.
 
Okay finally come to my conclusion. Our first pick, if it remains around the 11 mark, my first preference is Elijah Hewett. Closely followed by Oli Hotton, and Hollands. We need burst speed and class and from what I have seen and read, these three fit the bill perfectly, whilst also being somewhat unique to each other.
Get Hollands and bring his brother home next year
 
What's Hollands pace like? I know he has great endurance but can he break away from packs?

Also goodcop badcop I've noticed you have Busslinger and and Clark lower than most people seem to rate them. What are your reservations?
 
My list from my amateur watching

A few things.

  • I think Cowan is heavily underrated and I get similar vibes off him to what I did when watching Docherty as an 18 year old. I think he’s more than capable of moving to a wing which is where he has played at times this year
  • Hollands is a pretty good fit us, I underrated him earlier in the season. He can play in multiple positions, but looks best on a wing in my opinion. I would certainly consider him at pick 11. Considered one of the best two way runners in the draft and would fit a need
  • There are some KPD's we could look at later in the draft. Hugh Davies is one from WA at 196cm. He got a national combine invite so he has a lot of clubs interested in him. He got a bag of goals kicked on him at the championships, but that doesn't necessarily mean he won't make it. Others have had bags kicked on them yet still made good AFL players. Anyway, he has some good athletic traits and is decent with ball in hand. Darcy Minchella caught my eye after watching some SA games. Very skinny, did well in the last half in the season. Classic project type, possibly as a defender or an undersized ruckman. Loads of potential. Kyle Marshall at 198cm too looked like another skinny project that could possibly be a rookie KPD chance also, but I was less excited about him admittedly.
To my list

1. George Wardlaw -182cm, 82kg - Midfielder
2. Harry Sheezel - 184cm, 77kg - Forward/Mid
3. Mattaes Phillipou – 192cm, 83kg - Midfielder/Fwd
4. Will Ashcroft – 182cm, 78kg - Fwd/Mid
5. Cameron McKenzie – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
6. Elijah Tsastas – 187cm, 80kg - Midfielder
7. Aaron Cadman – 196cm, 88kg – Tall Forward
8. Bailey Humphrey – 186cm, 86kg – Midfielder/Fwd
9. Reuben Ginbey – 188cm, 81kg – Midfielder/Def
10. Lachie Cowan – 188cm, 81kg – Defender/Mid
11. Brayden George – 186cm, 87kg – Forward/Mid
12. Oliver Hollands – 183cm, 71kg – Midfielder/Def
13. Jedd Busslinger – 196cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
14. Jhye Clark – 181cm, 77kg - Midfielder
15. Josh Weddle – 193cm, 82kg – Tall Defender
16. Ollie Hotton – 181cm, 77kg – Midfielder/forward
17. Isaac Keeler – 198cm, 88kg – Tall forward/Ruck
18. Elijah Hewett – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder/forward
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr – 180cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
20 Jacob Konstanty – 176cm, 70kg – Forward/Mid
21. Matthew Jefferson – 195cm, 78kg – Tall forward
22. Charlie Clark – 182cm, 75kg – Forward/Mid
23. Jaiden Magor – 185cm, 79kg - Forward/Mid
24. Sam Gilbey – 188cm, 71kg – Defender/Mid
25. Jakob Ryan – 189cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
26. Jaspa Fletcher – 184cm, 73kg - Midfielder
27. Harry Barnett – 202cm, 93kg – Ruck/Fwd
28. Lewis Hayes – 197cm, 81kg – Tall defender
29. Max Michalanney – 192cm, 78kg – Medium defender
30. Mitch Szybkowski – 185cm, 84kg – Midfielder
31. Max Gruzewski – 193cm, 84kg – Tall defender/forward
32. Henry Hustwaite – 194cm, 84kg – Defender/Mid
33. Darcy Jones – 175cm, 63kg – Midfielder/Fwd
34. Cooper Harvey – 180cm, 79kg - Midfielder
35. Jaxon Binns – 182cm, 73kg - Midfielder
36. Harvey Gallagher – 179cm, 77kg – Defender/Utility
37. Adam D’Aloia – 186cm, 86kg - Midfielder
38. Cooper Vickery – 180cm, 72kg – Defender
39. Harry Lemmey – 199cm, 93kg – Tall Forward/Def
40. Coby Burgiel – 183cm, 76kg – Midfielder/Def
41. Baxter Philip – 181cm, 61kg - Defender
42. Jack Cleaver – 188cm, 87kg - Defender
43. Kobe Ryan – 183cm, 73kg - Midfielder
44. Will Dowling – 187cm, 79kg - Midfielder
45. Noah Long – 178cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Fwd
46. Luke Teal – 188cm, 80kg – Defender/Mid
47. Lloyd Johnston – 184cm, 80kg - Defender
48. Tom McCullum – 192cm, 78kg – Defender
49. Phoenix Foster – 198cm, 87kg – Forward/Ruck
50. Max Knobel – 204cm, 86kg - Ruck
51. Anthony Munkara – 190cm - Forward
52. Kelsey Rypstra – 172cm – Forward/Mid
53. Hugh Bond – 184cm , 81kg - Midfielder
54. Will Verrall – 200cm, 93kg - Ruck
55. Darcy Minchella – 196cm, 75kg – Ruck/Def
56. Tyrell Dewar – 185cm, 70kg - Forward
57. Jonti Schuback – 183cm, 74kg – Midfielder/Def
58. Harry Rowston – 180cm, 78kg – Midfielder/Fwd
59. Blake Drury – 177cm, 73kg - Midfielder
60. Toby McMullin – 185cm – Forward
61. James Van Es – 196cm, 97kg – Tall Defender
62. Seth Campbell – 179cm, 69kg - Forward
63. Hugh Davies - 196cm, 85kg - Defender
64. Oscar Murdoch – 190cm, 88kg - Defender
65. Jed Hagan – 175cm, 73kg - Utility
66. Finn Emile-Brennan – 181cm, 62kg - Defender
67. Ethan Phillips – 196cm – Tall defender
68. Tom Scully – 201cm, 83kg – Tall forward
69. Beau Tedcastle – 177cm, 74kg – Forward/Mid
70. Bailey McDonald – 182cm - Defender
I'm really keen on McKenzie, to the point I'd honestly pick him ahead of Sheezel. Surprised how low you've got Hewett, he's another I hope we can grab, assuming we've got 3 picks in the first 30 this year.
 
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