List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread

[TiAn_]

What are those concerns? Just strength and contested ability as listed on rookie me.
You'd expect those to improve in the AFL system, especially considering his age and height. I'd much rather take a defender who is athletic but not strong than vice versa (see Keiran Collins)
On the other hand if he lacks aggression it gets lost like Lewis Young did that would be more of a concern. I haven't seen any full games but it seems like he does a reasonably good job of shutting down opponents as well as intercepting?

The issue for me his strength in the contest against his peers, so his improvement from here would have to exceed his peers to not be an issue at AFL level.

Not to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but there were a few contests in the U18 Champs final where he got pushed around by an (admittedly very talented) smaller under-ager. And Weddle seemed to take more of the best key forwards during the year, including Cadman in that Champs game.

Also his disposal and mark numbers are inflated by kick ins and sideways kicks in the backline.

I think where there’s a lack of a particularly player type in a draft the best few of that type always get elevated beyond their actual standing in their cohort. We’ve seen it with key defenders a few times.

He’s talented and I’m not against drafting him, but I’m not sure he’s big/athletic or competitive enough to end up being a defensive game changer. More of a solid citizen. If he’s available in the 20s then I would be fine with picking him up.

 

[Munnez]

Josh Weddle (Victoria Metro/Oakleigh Chargers/Eltham)
Date of Birth: 25/05/04; Height: 192cm; Weight: 89kg
Rock solid in defence in all matches for Victoria Metro. His intercept marking, strength one-on-one and dash from the back half are features of his game. Averaged 15 disposals, four marks, three tackles and four rebound 50s per game in an impressive Championships.

I seriously want this guy.

Got a real Steven May type impression of him from the Champs match. Would be a great long term defender

 

[Mofra]

Caleb Mitchell is a name that doesn’t get too much attention but is known for his two way running, a good size and did some impressive things in the champs whilst playing wing.



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I am interested in discussing names of players outside the top 20 or so. It's actually pretty hard to find too much commentary.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have a Bedendo, barely discussed type on our radar.

 

[Smiley Boy]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned here already but we’ve met with Charlie Clarke

 

[Munnez]

I quite like Binns on the wing too, IF Cowan is gone.

Where is Binns rated in the draft , he looks exactly the wing type that we so desperately need.

 

[Dav1d]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned here already but we’ve met with Charlie Clarke

From memory, I believe he was the number one for score assists in the NAB Championships

 

[doggies ftw]

Not 2022 relevant but am I correct that if Mitchell Croft doesn’t play football again in 2023 or 2024 then he could be added to the list directly without having to be drafted (I guess in theory to any club not just us)?

If Jordan develops next year into someone worth drafting (even if not an early pick) and then shows promise in his first year on the list surely you look into it. At 20 years old there might be a pros/cons list of AFL vs Volleyball that has more attractive $ on the right hand side.

Also on Jordan Croft, if the club thinks there is a chance he develops into a reasonably high pick it’s even more reason to try and trade our 2x F1s into the top 10 this year. We’ll find the points next year anyway

 

[Testekill]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned here already but we’ve met with Charlie Clarke

Pace, tackling, goal sense, and competiveness are his strengths, weaknesses are his finishing and kicking according to his Draft Me profile. Does sound like something that we could really use. We do lack pace in the forward half and if he can crumb then he can be a real weapon.

Splitting his time between the forward 50 and the centre bounce rotations this season, Clarke was one who consistently showed up for Sandringham with his impact in either role truly felt. Being one of the rare Dragons prospects without school football commitments, Clarke got to strut his stuff across 15 appearances in the NAB League, showing some incredible consistency across the season with only two goalless games and two games below double digit disposals. Playing so often in the NAB League gave Clarke the opportunity to put up some starring games, With his seven-goal haul in Round 4, and four-goal haul in the Wildcard Round two highlights from his games as a forward. Meanwhile, a 33-disposal, two-goal return in Round 10 was arguably his best game as a midfielder.


What really separates Clarke from the other forward options within the draft crop is his strength in contested situations, showing he’s up for the challenge of winning a hard ball and even thriving off of the contact that comes with it. His ability to reliably win the ball one-on-one both through the midfield and forward line is something he has become renowned for. This has been best highlighted through his stints in the midfield though, with Clarke often a first possession getter from stoppages who throws himself into packs to win the footy. Clarke was consistent in his application and production throughout the season, becoming somewhat of a barometer for his side, with Sandringham playing its best when he was playing his best.

A key aspect of Clarke’s game is his athleticism, namely his speed, looking dangerous when at full flight with very few opponents able to catch him. His speed allows him to get easy separation on leads around the ground, but also lets him hold off on making his run until the last moment to burn opponents with his first two or three steps. He best utilised this speed in transition, able to be released into space and carry the ball 40-50 meters with one run before sending his side inside 50, taking advantage when teammates were nearby to get one-twos to relieve himself of some pressure.


With a plethora of exciting traits to get excited about, there are still some areas of improvement for Clarke heading into the next level to round out his game. Whilst his field kicking improved throughout the season, it does still stand out as an area for him to work on in the future, with his short kicking in particular something he’ll benefit from improving. Despite consistently hitting the scoreboard and showing great instincts in front of goal, Clarke could do with some sharper conversion in front of the sticks, having missed some gettable shots through the year.

 

[doggies ftw]

I’m surprised so many are keen to split 11. For me we need the best chance at top talent and picking at 11 does that.

I’m a little torn as you definitely are still a chance for a good slider at 11, but that’s probably why you do it on draft night I guess.

I think it just comes down to what we get for Dunks & give up for Lobb, if we end up with another 2x picks under 30 along with 11 I’d probably keep it but if not I think trading it down would be the best thing. I just really think we have to hit the draft and refresh our list and multiple picks is the way to do it.

Outside of the AFL team right now we’ve got Bedendo & Garcia who I think will make it, then Cleary who looks good and Buku both maybe 50/50 to make it and then Jones who is a long shot. That’s literally it. We need a big big refresh and to add 5 or 6 talented kids to that list imo.

Whilst the top end talent well we got Marra & Darce over the last two years which is brilliant, but it did cost us multiple picks so I think right now is the only time I’ve ever wanted quantity over quality.

 

[doggies ftw]

Pace, tackling, goal sense, and competiveness are his strengths, weaknesses are his finishing and kicking according to his Draft Me profile. Does sound like something that we could really use. We do lack pace in the forward half and if he can crumb then he can be a real weapon.

That write up screams Papley to me! Where’s he tipped to land?

 

[Dav1d]

That write up screams Papley to me! Where’s he tipped to land?

Some boards don’t have him in the top 20, but I think that batch of players around the 15-25 range are so even
Just about nearly every player available around our pick can fill a need somehow to, it’s all about how they develop and how we use them

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Outside of the AFL team right now we’ve got Bedendo & Garcia who I think will make it, then Cleary who looks good and Buku both maybe 50/50 to make it and then Jones who is a long shot. That’s literally it. We need a big big refresh and to add 5 or 6 talented kids to that list imo.

Don’t overlook that we have a fair few U22 kids who are now first team players. Smith, JUH, Darcy, McNeil, Weightman…Naughton still only 22. West 22. You always want plenty of developing kids but even better is if they’re good enough to develop while playing in the 1s.

I think we’ve got a great balance in that regard.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Got a real Steven May type impression of him from the Champs match. Would be a great long term defender

Worried he might be gone by 21

 

[doggies ftw]

Don’t overlook that we have a fair few U22 kids who are now first team players. Smith, JUH, Darcy, McNeil, Weightman…Naughton still only 22. West 22. You always want plenty of developing kids but even better is if they’re good enough to develop while playing in the 1s.

I think we’ve got a great balance in that regard.

Yeah fair point, I’m definitely rapt with the position of our list for both the coming year and the next 5 or so - and I see Marra, Darce, Naughty, Baz, Cody as genuine top liners, ie could be top 5 for their position across the league. Can’t go past high end talent at the end of the day but I think considering the last two drafts I’d still prefer quantity over quality this year and next, there’s just a lottttt of deadwood on the list and it would be nice to phase them out for reasonably highly rated kids. Especially considering the 15-25 range seems to suit our needs a bit better than what’s likely available at 11

But yeah all comes down to our final draft hand after Dunks & Lobb trades for mine

 

[doggiesin08]

Worried he might be gone by 21

Just tested well for pace at the combine apparently too.

 

[glenashley]

I suppose with pick 11 we can leave it right up till the moment to trade it.

We see a slider we grab them.

Otherwise look at what's left and decide if we want to take our chances by splitting?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Worried he might be gone by 21

2.94 sprint at the combine. Van Es 2.91.

 

[weltschmerz]

Van Es also top of a couple of vertical leap tests

 

[doggies ftw]

194cm midfielder running a 2.81 20m, umm

How’s his kicking and can we chuck him on our wing right now?!

 

[doggies ftw]

Van Es also top of a couple of vertical leap tests

That’s a nice athletic profile for a guy his size, he really didn’t impress me at all in the champs final but obviously that’s just one game.

One to watch if we miss out on Weddle? He seems a genuine full back type so maybe one to watch anyway tbh - we need a genuine full back to develop under Jones.

Man Weddles a nice prospect, competitiveness, speed/power, really nice build, strong mark and yet also likes to run off his man and help out offensively. I have no doubts he could play as a genuine tall but geez if you had him 3rd tall alongside two good defenders you’d have an absolute weapon on your hands IMO. I really hope we don’t miss out!!

Hayes/Buss for mine depend on whether Darcy plays back, I doubt you’d want one of them & Darcy in the same backline. Whereas a combo of a Van Es type, Weddle & Darcy/Buku the main interceptors - Buku playing aggressively using his athleticism to cut off attacks, Darcy reading the play and putting himself in the right places to chop off the high balls.

Naice

 

[weltschmerz]

That’s a nice athletic profile for a guy his size, he really didn’t impress me at all in the champs final but obviously that’s just one game.

One to watch if we miss out on Weddle? He seems a genuine full back type so maybe one to watch anyway tbh - we need a genuine full back to develop under Jones.

Man Weddles a nice prospect, competitiveness, speed/power, really nice build, strong mark and yet also likes to run off his man and help out offensively. I have no doubts he could play as a genuine tall but geez if you had him 3rd tall alongside two good defenders you’d have an absolute weapon on your hands IMO. I really hope we don’t miss out!!

Hayes/Buss for mine depend on whether Darcy plays back, I doubt you’d want one of them & Darcy in the same backline. Whereas a combo of a Van Es type, Weddle & Darcy/Buku the main interceptors - Buku playing aggressively using his athleticism to cut off attacks, Darcy reading the play and putting himself in the right places to chop off the high balls.

Naice

He also has a terrible haircut which is just a bonus

 

[doggies ftw]

Also on Weddle, I don’t think he’d have any dramas playing on a small either like a Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

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76kg

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3.7

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3.2

5star

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1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

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7.9

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1.7

1star

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3.6

4star

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1.7

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1.9

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5.4

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1.4

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3.4

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or a Papley etc - just like how Grimes is one of the best match ups for Charlie in the league which you wouldn’t expect.

That’s something we need and adds great flexibility to a defence. I don’t think you necessarily need a lock down small defender to have a good defence, but a tall who can play small or tall and do an equally good defensive job - worth their weight in gold.

How do we get him?

 

[weltschmerz]

Also on Weddle, I don’t think he’d have any dramas playing on a small either like a Charlie Cameron or a Papley etc - just like how Grimes is one of the best match ups for Charlie in the league which you wouldn’t expect.

That’s something we need and adds great flexibility to a defence. I don’t think you necessarily need a lock down small defender to have a good defence, but a tall who can play small or tall and do an equally good defensive job - worth their weight in gold.

How do we get him?

Bite the bullet at 11, or trade down to two later picks. I reckon he'd go around 15-20. (Man, wouldn't it be good to have a pick 15 in fair trade for a star player right now, hey?)

 

[doggies ftw]

Bite the bullet at 11, or trade down to two later picks. I reckon he'd go around 15-20. (Man, wouldn't it be good to have a pick 15 in fair trade for a star player right now, hey?)

Yep 15 would have been perfect, maybe we can get it off GWS anyway?

 

[goodcop badcop]

Caleb Mitchell is a name that doesn’t get too much attention but is known for his two way running, a good size and did some impressive things in the champs whilst playing wing.



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Decent mark above his head too. Often likes to kick it long, but isn't the best kick from what I've seen.