List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread

[Ash1337]

Maybe Essendon are open to a few players further back in draft.

Essentially they are trying to maximize the situation they have with father son being attached to pick 22.

So let’s say we do then trade up to pick 4 to grab Philipou.. would you do the trade?

Let’s summarize again

Pick 11, 39, 67, future 1st to Essendon

In exchange for

Philipou and Jones (pick 22)

In addition to that we also select George with our existing pick 21.

So to compare the pare:

Doing the trade = Philipou, Jones and George
Not doing the trade = Busslinger, George plus future 1st.

Jones is tipped to slide to the 30s and besides Dons wont do a trade if it means they dont get phillipou.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Just saw this in the age article small mention about us

Hollands, Busslinger and Phillipou are also of interest to the Western Bulldogs.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Phillipou, Jones, Van Es could be a good haul.

That's what id be hoping we got too

 

[0utsider]

Blake Drury would be a great pickup if he makes it to 39. Classy small forward/wing rated in the 40+ range but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go sooner.

 

[Mojorisin]

I wouldn't mind jed Adams as a rookie

 

[CarnTheScray]

What would people's thoughts be on picking a player who's a gun but has expressed dislike for our club? Bailey Humphrey will go before our first rounder anyway so it's theoretical, but he's been vocal on Instagram about how the Dogs are "whingers" about Dunkley leaving and he hopes Brisbane smashes us. Would we take someone like that?

Lmao. Sounds immature. I don't have any interest in drafting him but I hope he enjoys his time at Essendon where he is likely to end up, a club known for being the antithesis of whingers.

 

[VitalDread]

INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS - NOVEMBER​

RANK	JORDAN PINTO	DAN BATTEN	CHRIS CAVANAGH
1	Will Ashcroft	Will Ashcroft	Will Ashcroft
2	Harry Sheezel	Harry Sheezel	George Wardlaw
3	Elijah Tsatas	George Wardlaw	Harry Sheezel
4	George Wardlaw	Aaron Cadman	Elijah Tsatas
5	Bailey Humphrey	Bailey Humphrey	Aaron Cadman
6	Aaron Cadman	Elijah Tsatas	Mattaes Phillipou
7	Mattaes Phillipou	Jhye Clark	Bailey Humphrey
8	Cam Mackenzie	Mattaes Phillipou	Reuben Ginbey
9	Jedd Busslinger	Cam Mackenzie	Jhye Clark
10	Jhye Clark	Reuben Ginbey	Cam Mackenzie
11	Reuben Ginbey	Jedd Busslinger	Ollie Hollands
12	Oliver Hollands	Oliver Hollands	Ed Allan
13	Henry Hustwaite	Matthew Jefferson	Jedd Busslinger
14	Matthew Jefferson	Lewis Hayes	Matt Jefferson
15	Ed Allan	Lachie Cowan	Jaspa Fletcher
16	Josh Weddle	Elijah Hewett	Lachlan Cowan
17	Olli Hotton	Olli Hotton	Josh Weddle
18	Brayden George	Henry Hustwaite	Olli Hotton
19	Jaspa Fletcher	Josh Weddle	Henry Hustwaite
20	Harry Barnett	Ed Allan	Lewis Hayes
21	Lewis Hayes	Jaspa Fletcher	Elijah Hewett
22	Elijah Hewett	Brayden George	Alwyn Davey Jnr
23	Sam Gilbey	Charlie Clarke	Charlie Clarke
24	Max Michalanney	Darcy Jones	Harry Rowston
25	Lachie Cowan	Harvey Gallagher	Max Michalanney
26	Jacob Konstanty	Alwyn Davey Jr	Jakob Ryan
27	Jaiden Magor	Harry Barnett	Brayden George
28	Jakob Ryan	Jacob Konstanty	Coby Burgiel
29	Alwyn Davey Jr	Harry Rowston	Jacob Konstanty
30	Darcy Jones	Max Gruzewski	Darcy Jones
31	Kaleb Smith	Mitch Szybkowski	Tom McCullum
32	Coby Burgiel	Jaxon Binns	Harry Barnett
33	Isaac Keeler	Isaac Keele	Isaac Keeler
34	Max Gruzewski	Jed Hagan	Max Gruzewski
35	Harry Lemmey	Sam Gilbey	Mitch Szybkowski
36	Adam D’Aloia	Coby Burgiel	Jaxon Binns
37	Jaxon Binns	Jason Gillbee	Jed Hagan
38	Toby McMullin	Jakob Ryan	Kaleb Smith
39	Billy Dowling	Jaiden Magor	Sam Gilbey
40	Charlie Clarke	Ethan Phillips	Noah Long
41	Blake Drury	Max Michalanney	Harvey Gallagher
42	Mitch Syzbkowski	Blake Drury	Adam D’Aloia
43	Harry Rowston	Tom McCallum	Blake Drury
44	Tom McCallum	Luke Teal	James Van Es
45	Harvey Gallagher	Hugh Bond	Luke Teal
46	Jason Gillbee	Noah Long	Anthony Munkara
47	Nick Sadler	James Van Es	Hugh Bond
48	Luke Teal	Cooper Vickery	Cooper Vickery
49	Jed Hagan	Adam D’Aloia	Harry Lemmey
50	Noah Long	Bailey Macdonald	Tom Scully

 

[True Dog]

What would people's thoughts be on picking a player who's a gun but has expressed dislike for our club? Bailey Humphrey will go before our first rounder anyway so it's theoretical, but he's been vocal on Instagram about how the Dogs are "whingers" about Dunkley leaving and he hopes Brisbane smashes us. Would we take someone like that?

If we think he's the best kid available then I'd have no issues selecting him. He can eyeball Bont, Libba & Co and explain himself?

 

[murphy's twin]

Tsatis video is up on afl website.

Wouldn’t mind if we could somehow grab him.

Maybe he is worth trading up for?

 

[Mofra]

Tsatis video is up on afl website.

Wouldn’t mind if we could somehow grab him.

Maybe he is worth trading up for?

Trading up is a dangerous game. We almost gave up the farm to trade up from pick 4 to pick 1 in the Tom Boyd year - we would have missed out on Bontempelli.

I do wonder how well Tsatas can clean up his 'loopy' disposal in the AFL system. Does have a bit of Macrae about his game though.

 

[murphy's twin]

Trading up is a dangerous game. We almost gave up the farm to trade up from pick 4 to pick 1 in the Tom Boyd year - we would have missed out on Bontempelli.

I do wonder how well Tsatas can clean up his 'loopy' disposal in the AFL system. Does have a bit of Macrae about his game though.

So atm what are we predicting?

Pick 1, Brisbane - Ashcroft
Pick2, Giants - Cadman
Pick 3, Kangas - Sheezel
Pick 4, Kangas - Wardlaw
Pick 5, Bombers - Phillipou
Pick 6, Suns - Ginbey
Pick 7, Hawks - Humphrey
Pick 8, Geelong - Clark
Pick 9, West coast - Busslinger
Pick 10, Saints - Mackenzie
Pick 11, Carlton - Hollands
Pick 12, Bulldogs - Wait a minute.. Tsatas is available!!

I predict that something unexpected like this will end up happening.

I can see either Tsatas or Humphrey sliding..

 

[Hoges64]

So atm we are predicting?

Pick 1, Brisbane - Ashcroft
Pick 2, Giants - Cadman
Pick 3, Kansas - Sheezel
Pick 4, Kansas - Wardlaw
Pick 5, Bombers - Phillipou
Pick 6, Suns - Ginbey
Pick 7, Hawks - Humphrey
Pick 8, Geelong - Clark
Pick 9, West coast - Busslinger
Pick 10, Saints - Mackenzie
Pick 11, Carlton - Hollands
Pick 12, Bulldogs - Wait a minute.. Tsatas is available!!

I predict that something unexpected like this will end up happening.

I can see either Tsatas or Humphrey sliding..

You've got it wrong with pick 1 already.

Despite Ashcroft being the best player in the draft by the length of the Nullabor Plain, GWS have already wink wink nudge nudged to not bid.

 

[Mofra]

So atm we are predicting?

Pick 1, Brisbane - Ashcroft
Pick2, Giants - Cadman
Pick 3, Kansas - Sheezel
Pick 4, Kansas - Wardlaw
Pick 5, Bombers - Phillipou
Pick 6, Suns - Ginbey
Pick 7, Hawks - Humphrey
Pick 8, Geelong - Clark
Pick 9, West coast - Busslinger
Pick 10, Saints - Mackenzie
Pick 11, Carlton - Hollands
Pick 12, Bulldogs - Wait a minute.. Tsatas is available!!

I predict that something unexpected like this will end up happening.

I can see either Tsatas or Humphrey sliding..

I know clubs always bang on about "best available" at the draft, but I suspect West Coast are set on a midfielder with their first pick and will hope like hell either Buss or Allen make it to pick 12 (13 after Ashcroft bid). What you've got does look pretty close though. We may be making a call between Allen & Buss with WCE taking the player we pass on.

I think the Suns take Humphrey (Swans make a late play for that pick but can't get it done). Saints are known to be fans of Tsatsas but the price of trading up a few spots is too great, noting they offered 7 & Hunter Clark for pick 3 from North and were knocked back during the trade period.

 

[TiAn_]

So atm what are we predicting?

Pick 1, Brisbane - Ashcroft
Pick2, Giants - Cadman
Pick 3, Kangas - Sheezel
Pick 4, Kangas - Wardlaw
Pick 5, Bombers - Phillipou
Pick 6, Suns - Ginbey
Pick 7, Hawks - Humphrey
Pick 8, Geelong - Clark
Pick 9, West coast - Busslinger
Pick 10, Saints - Mackenzie
Pick 11, Carlton - Hollands
Pick 12, Bulldogs - Wait a minute.. Tsatas is available!!

I predict that something unexpected like this will end up happening.

I can see either Tsatas or Humphrey sliding..

Don’t think anyone you’ve got from 8-12 gets picked before Tsatas. More likely one of Busslinger or Hollands is available to us.

 

[murphy's twin]

I know clubs always bang on about "best available" at the draft, but I suspect West Coast are set on a midfielder with their first pick and will hope like hell either Buss or Allen make it to pick 12 (13 after Ashcroft bid). What you've got does look pretty close though. We may be making a call between Allen & Buss with WCE taking the player we pass on.

I think the Suns take Humphrey (Swans make a late play for that pick but can't get it done). Saints are known to be fans of Tsatsas but the price of trading up a few spots is too great, noting they offered 7 & Hunter Clark for pick 3 from North and were knocked back during the trade period.

Interesting.

I think your right on making the call between Allen or Busslinger.

Which player do you think would be a better pick up for the team?

 

[Hoges64]

Interesting.

I think your right on making the call between Allen or Busslinger.

Which player do you think would be a better pick up for the team?

If the call is between Allen and Busslinger, I'd hope we find a way to trade down and up (ie with Sydney or GWS) to get Weddle and George. While placing a bid on Fletcher at our first available pick, preferably at 12 before trading back.

 

[murphy's twin]

Isn’t Allen also a similar player to Ginbey? Except Ginbey has had more opportunity to prove his craft inside the contest?

The way I look at it, if Allen wasn’t injured he could have been in the conversation with Ginbey and Humphrey as being the best BIG inside explosive mid available in draft.

 

[VitalDread]

couple of VFL names in the draft
Angus Bade
Lachie Sullivan
Craig Cooper-Peters
Ewan MacPherson
Daniel Orgill
Bailey Van De Heuvel
Joel Garner

27

Joel Garner

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.3

4star

Josh Chatfield

 

[weltschmerz]

couple of VFL names in the draft
Angus Bade
Lachie Sullivan
Craig Cooper-Peters
Ewan MacPherson
Daniel Orgill
Bailey Van De Heuvel
Joel Garner
Josh Chatfield

Ewan Macpherson a sneaky chance I reckon. Bloke tackles to hurt. I wouldn't say no to handing him a rookie spot and developing him in the backline.

 

[willofwest]

Ewan Macpherson a sneaky chance I reckon. Bloke tackles to hurt. I wouldn't say no to handing him a rookie spot and developing him in the backline.

I wouldn’t mind taking Bailey Vanderhuev as a rookie too

 

[Testekill]

Ewan Macpherson is probably a bit too limited skills wise but he tackles with intent and likes to physically impose himself. I wouldn't be opposed to him as a rookie.

Van De Heuval is very raw but he's a reasonably athletic 200cm player that can take a contested mark. Far worse players have been picked up and I really think that getting into a professional system could see him develop really nicely.

 

[TiAn_]

Ewan Macpherson is probably a bit too limited skills wise but he tackles with intent and likes to physically impose himself. I wouldn't be opposed to him as a rookie.

Van De Heuval is very raw but he's a reasonably athletic 200cm player that can take a contested mark. Far worse players have been picked up and I really think that getting into a professional system could see him develop really nicely.

BVDH didn’t play with our VFL side after round 13. Finished the year at Ballarat. Not sure what it means for him.

*Will chuckle if we give him a rookie spot, would be delightfully shifty.

 

[dogwatch]

You've got it wrong with pick 1 already.

Despite Ashcroft being the best player in the draft by the length of the Nullabor Plain, GWS have already wink wink nudge nudged to not bid.

I think I've thought of a way to put a stop to this.

Remember that the rorting of the system mainly happens in the top 10. Or perhaps over the full first round (18 picks). After that the points differential between successive picks is so much smaller that it's not worth setting up any wink-wink deals so rorting probably doesn't happen, or if it does it's relatively inconsequential.

[CONTEXT: The difference between pick 1 and say pick 4 is nearly 1000 points. Take off the 20% discount and it's still nearly 800 points. So even if the club with pick 4 can't be bought off, if a club with FS rights to clearly the best player in the draft can engineer wink-wink agreements with the 2-3 clubs having those first three picks they can save themselves close to 800 points which is equivalent to a high second round pick (around #24) so there's a fair bit at stake.]​

Here's how it might work:
As it stands the club entitled to a FS pick declares before the draft that it intends to take that player at some point, either with their last pick or whenever some other club has bid for him. They can of course elect not to match when a bid comes in, but that seldom happens.

What I propose is that for every father-son registered in the draft (i.e. for which the club has said they will exercise their father-son rights) every other club has the right to say it wants the option of bidding on that player, and at what pick they would bid for him. Note that they don't have to own the pick at that level. So for instance we could say we are prepared to bid at pick #2 for Ashcroft if he's still there. So unless North also bids on him at pick #2 (they would have first call) the draft process has to deal with our bid on Ashcroft and Brisbane either let's us have him (meaning we'd have to pony up the points ... and with no 20% discount) or they have to match. In this way Brisbane can't just do shady deals with the clubs at the top of the draft order.

Options include:

• Limit this process to the top 10 or top 20 or top 40 picks, because it doesn't matter so much after that
• Keep the interest of third-party clubs secret and known only to the AFL before draft night (I'm not in favour of this because it invites corrupt leaking)
• Allow the third-party club (eg us in the above example) to renege on their registered interest in the FS player on the night. Or to lower their level of interest at which they'd bid from say pick 4 to pick 6. This would add a very interesting element of bluffing to the whole process, but hey if it stops deals being done why not? Allowing the ability to renege or lower the bid level could be defensible because the earlier draft picks might have changed circumstances. (Perhaps only pick#1 bids can't be reneged on?)

People will say it's too complicated but the AFL seems determined to convert draft night (first round) into a piece of drama and intrigue (reality TV style) so I can't see why not.

Come at me...

 

[Mofra]

Isn’t Allen also a similar player to Ginbey? Except Ginbey has had more opportunity to prove his craft inside the contest?

The way I look at it, if Allen wasn’t injured he could have been in the conversation with Ginbey and Humphrey as being the best BIG inside explosive mid available in draft.

Ginbey is an inside beast and is generally stronger than his opponents, started off the HB line last year/early this year
Allen is playing mostly wing and has had an outstanding 5-6 games to finish his injury interrupted year

They're pretty different. Allen is way more raw but some suggest he has more upside. Ginbey had more production this year.

 

[Testekill]

BVDH didn’t play with our VFL side after round 13. Finished the year at Ballarat. Not sure what it means for him.

*Will chuckle if we give him a rookie spot, would be delightfully shifty.

He dislocated his shoulder in round 13.