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goodcop badcop said:
It's a fair criticism. I don't think it's a major weakness, but his speed is a weakness.

Hustwaite likewise, his speed and athleticism is a concern for a defender. Agility is pretty decent though.
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Slow KPDs are potential flops. Kieren Collins looked a decent prospect but was glacial-slow. Yes there were other factors in his case but as a general rule slowness in a KPD prospect is a big red flag for me.

I’d be looking elsewhere.
 
dogwatch said:
Slow KPDs are potential flops. Kieren Collins looked a decent prospect but was glacial-slow. Yes there were other factors in his case but as a general rule slowness in a KPD prospect is a big red flag for me.

I’d be looking elsewhere.
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Yeah Collins and the Richmond kid Jayden Post come to mind as flops. The thing working for Busslinger is he has a very high footy IQ and can read the ball quicker than most. Someone mentioned Lever as a bit of a comparison, Lever isn't the quickest either. McGovern, Roughead and Sam Collins are also on the slow side. They don't all end up as flops and some turn into star players.
 
dogwatch said:
Slow KPDs are potential flops. Kieren Collins looked a decent prospect but was glacial-slow. Yes there were other factors in his case but as a general rule slowness in a KPD prospect is a big red flag for me.

I’d be looking elsewhere.
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Why I want nothing to do with Fisher Mcasey!
 
Think it was Smythes Phantom draft had us taking Aaron Cadman , think he has primarily been playing forward could he be a defender at the next level??
 

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Living in Adelaide and being tortured with everything crows, McAsey sounds more likely to get delisted than anything.
Barely doing anything of note in the SANFL for a team that is top 2. He is a big unit that should do much more from when I saw him play live a month or two back, but honestly looks like he does not have the interest or desire to make it. But hey, playing for the crows could do that, perhaps they need him to walk across fire (ala Nigel Smart) or they could hang him up a tree and abuse him for 48 hours straight to turn him around.....
 
goodcop badcop said:
It's a fair criticism. I don't think it's a major weakness, but his speed is a weakness.

Hustwaite likewise, his speed and athleticism is a concern for a defender. Agility is pretty decent though.
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Can’t say I’ve seen much of him, but sounds very much like Lever? Levers super slow. Just reads the play so well.

Like I said I don’t know much about him but it’s an interesting list of attributes - you have to be really really bloody good at what you do if you’re not overly athletic or great one on one as a defender. If you are really really good at what you do though you’re worth your weight in gold as we’ve seen with Lever.

Although I don’t even think Lever would be that great in our current system to be completely honest
 
dogwatch said:
Slow KPDs are potential flops. Kieren Collins looked a decent prospect but was glacial-slow. Yes there were other factors in his case but as a general rule slowness in a KPD prospect is a big red flag for me.

I’d be looking elsewhere.
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I know it's easy with hindsight, but Collins really was a howler. Not only treacle slow, but undersized for a kpp at 193cm and no leap. Hard to think of another recent highish pick with less going for him in terms of physical/athletic profile, maybe Will Gould?
 
Munnez said:
Think it was Smythes Phantom draft had us taking Aaron Cadman , think he has primarily been playing forward could he be a defender at the next level??
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He could but I think he’ll be gone before our pick. Some are now of the view he’ll be the first KPP taken.
 

2022 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE INVITE LIST​

Vic Country
Jaxon Binns (Dandenong Stingrays)
Hugh Bond (GWV Rebels)
Coby Burgiel (Gippsland Power)
Aaron Cadman (GWV Rebels)
Jhye Clark (Geelong Falcons)
Brayden George (Murray Bushrangers)
Oliver Hollands (Murray Bushrangers)
Bailey Humphrey (Gippsland Power)
Henry Hustwaite (Dandenong Stingrays)
Max Knobel (Gippsland Power)
Jacob Konstanty (Gippsland Power)
Noah Long (Bendigo Pioneers)
Toby McMullin (Sandringham Dragons)
Caleb Mitchell (Murray Bushrangers)
Olivier Northam (Geelong Falcons)
Jack O'Sullivan (Oakleigh Chargers)
Mitch Szybkowski (Dandenong Stingrays)
Cooper Vickery (Gippsland Power)
James Van Es (GWV Rebels)

Vic Metro
Will Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons)
Charlie Clarke (Sandringham Dragons)
Alwyn Davey (Oakleigh Chargers)
Blake Drury (Oakleigh Chargers)
Max Gruzewski (Oakleigh Chargers)
Lewis Hayes (Eastern Ranges)
Olli Hotton (Sandringham Dragons)
Matthew Jefferson (Oakleigh Chargers)
Cameron Mackenzie (Sandringham Dragons)
Harry Sheezel (Sandringham Dragons)
Luke Teal (Oakleigh Chargers)
Elijah Tsatas (Oakleigh Chargers)
George Wardlaw (Oakleigh Chargers)
Josh Weddle (Oakleigh Chargers)

South Australia
Harry Barnett (West Adelaide)
Adam D'Aloia (Woodville-West Torrens)
Will Dowling (North Adelaide)
Phoenix Foster (Norwood)
Isaac Keeler (North Adelaide)
Harry Lemmey (West Adelaide)
Jaiden Magor (South Adelaide)
Max Michalanney (Norwood)
Mattaes Phillipou (Woodville-West Torrens)
Jakob Ryan (Glenelg)
Nick Sadler (Sturt)
Tom Scully (West Adelaide)
Will Verrall (South Adelaide)

Western Australia
Jed Adams (Peel Thunder)
Edward Allan (Claremont)
Jedd Busslinger (East Perth)
Harry Cole (Claremont)
Hugh Davies (Claremont)
Tyrell Dewar (Subiaco)
Sam Gilbey (Claremont)
Reuben Ginbey (East Perth)
Steely Green (South Fremantle)
Jed Hagan (East Fremantle)
Elijah Hewett (Swan Districts)
Darcy Jones (Swan Districts)

New South Wales
Jason Gillbee (Bendigo Pioneers)
Nick Madden (GWS Academy)
Harry Rowston (GWS Academy)

Northern Territory
Lloyd Johnston (NT Thunder)
Anthony Munkara (NT/West Adelaide)

Queensland
Shadeau Brain (Brisbane Academy)
Jaspa Fletcher (Brisbane Academy)

Tasmania
Lachlan Cowan (Tasmania Devils)
Tom McCallum (Tasmania Devils)
 
^ Hayes and Hollands have brothers already playing AFL, so that means we've automatically shortlisted them.
 

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Would love to snag Anthony Munkara, bring some x factor and below the knee goals
 
weltschmerz said:
Would take him in a heartbeat. Seems to be the best full back type.
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Got a good feeling about Hayes. He has a good mix of defensive and offensive attributes and will be over 200cm once he’s finish growing with a December birthday. He’s got star potential - would be stoked to nab him.


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hatescaptcha said:
Got a good feeling about Hayes. He has a good mix of defensive and offensive attributes and will be over 200cm once he’s finish growing with a December birthday. He’s got star potential - would be stoked to nab him.


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He’s just likely to fall between our first and second.
 

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Maybe getting a bit greedy but I wouldn’t want 2x 200cm blokes in defence, build around Darcy and ideally a strong full back mid 190s and another way more athletic interceptor low 190s. Bit specific though 😂 would take anyone atm
 

AFL Draft: Why talls are rising, falling after champs​


CLIMBERS

Lewis Hayes (Vic Metro/Eastern Ranges)
A 197cm intercepting defender, Hayes hit some red-hot form at the right time of year during the national championships. A finger injury on the eve of Round 1 meant he had a slow start to the NAB League season, but AFL clubs had kept a close eye on him over the past two years and were excited by what they saw when Hayes lined up for Vic Metro. The younger brother of Port Adelaide ruckman Sam Hayes, he was particularly impressive against Western Australia in Vic Metro’s second game, when he logged 19 disposals, five marks, eight rebound 50s and six intercepts. Across three championship matches so far, he has averaged 15.7 disposals, 5.3 rebound 50s, five marks and 7.3 intercept possessions.

Matthew Jefferson (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Jefferson was marked as a promising draft prospect late last year when he was included in the initial NAB AFL Academy squad. However, the 194cm key forward has pushed himself up into top-10 calculations after a sizzling national championships campaign with Vic Metro. Jefferson has drawn comparisons to young Essendon forward Harrison Jones – who is an AFL player that he looks up to. His marking ability in the air has been a feature of his year, while his goal kicking has also improved and recruiters have been impressed with his ability to keep himself in games. Jefferson has averaged 10.3 disposals, four marks and kicked 12 goals from three national championships games.

Mattaes Phillipou (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
A damaging midfielder-forward who stands 191cm, Phillipou stamped himself as a first-round draft prospect after he was one of South Australia’s top performers in the national championships. Phillipou was best-on-ground in his state’s first match against the Allies, logging 23 disposals, six marks, five clearances, six tackles and two goals to catch the eyes of recruiters. The son of Sam Phillipou – who played with the Western Bulldogs and was a prominent player in the SANFL – he is a strong contest player and good overhead mark. Phillipou is viewed as South Australia’s best prospect in this year’s draft pool.

Aaron Cadman (Vic Country/GWV Rebels)
A lead-up key forward who has drawn comparisons to Geelong’s Jeremy Cameron, the Darley product made an up and down start to the year in the NAB League but showed what he is capable of on the big stage in the national championships. He logged 19 disposals, took eight marks and kicked 3.3 among nine score involvements in Vic Country’s third game against Western Australia. Standing 194cm tall, Cadman is a strong runner with good speed, marks the ball well and has a damaging left-foot kick. Some recruiters have Cadman pinned as the best key position prospect in this year’s draft and a potential top-five selection in a pool stacked with midfielders but short on talls.

Josh Weddle (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
A 191cm defender, a significant growth spurt over the past 18 months has seen Weddle jump into the frame as a potential top-30 draft prospect this year. He is a good interceptor down back – generally used as a third-tall – and uses the ball well when he wins it back. Weddle is athletically very strong, has explosive speed and can play on talls or smalls. He has also shown an ability to play forward and even have a run through the midfield. Weddle has averaged 14.7 disposals, 4.7 marks and 6.7 intercept possessions across three under-18 national championships games.

Olli Hotton (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
A 181cm small forward, Hotton has great footy smarts and has emerged as a top-30 draft prospect after a strong national championships campaign for Vic Metro. Hotton did not start the NAB League season on fire for the Dragons by any stretch, but showed a few glimpses of his potential. He is clean around stoppages and has good speed. Hotton has averaged 19.3 disposals, 3.3 marks, 6.3 score involvements and two goals across three national championships matches, including 24 disposals and 3.2 in the third of those games against South Australia. He is the son of former Collingwood and Carlton forward Trent Hotton, who played 78 AFL games in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Reuben Ginbey (Western Australia/East Perth)
One of Western Australia’s top draft prospects, Ginbey had primarily been a medium-sized defender before being used through the midfield during the under-18 national championships. Recruiters were excited by what he was able to show as a big-bodied onballer. Standing 188cm, he is a player with elite speed and endurance but is also a bull in the content. Across four national championships games, he averaged 20.8 disposals, 2.8 clearances, 5.5 score involvements and four tackles to win his state’s most valuable player award and stamp himself as a first-round draft prospect.

Tom McCullum (Allies/Clarence)
A 192cm defender, McCullum shot up the rankings in the eyes of recruiters with what he was able to do down back for the Allies during the under-18 national championships. Known for his intercept marking, the Tasmanian averaged 7.3 marks including 3.8 intercept marks across his four matches. He also showed great composure with ball in hand when he won it back, rarely wasting a disposal by hand or foot. An elite runner, McCullum also has the ability to break the lines with bursts of speed and averaged four rebound 16.8 disposals and four rebound 50s during the tournament. He sits as one of Tasmania’s top draft prospects, alongside fellow defender Lachie Cowan.

SLIDERS

Harry Lemmey (South Australia/West Adelaide)
A 199cm key forward, Lemmey was a strong performer for West Adelaide as a bottom-age player in the SANFL under 18s last year and made a good start to this season which included a taste of senior football. However, he did not perform as he would have liked for South Australia in the under-18 national championships. Across three games, the AFL Academy member averaged only 5.3 disposals and kicked one goal. Recruiters are still confident Lemmey will find a home in November’s national draft, but just not as the top-30 selection he might have been earmarked for at the start of the year. At the end of the day, though, where you are picked is just a number.

Tom Scully (South Australia/West Adelaide)
A 202cm key forward, Scully was added to the AFL Academy squad in May after a super start to the season in the SANFL under 18s which saw him kick 22 goals from his first four games. However, his form has not been quite so good since and he was picked for only one of South Australia’s four games in the under-18 national championships. Scully managed just eight disposals, two marks and two behinds in that match. Big men take time and there is no doubt there is some talent there. Like Lemmey, recruiters are still confident Scully will be picked up in the national draft, but just not as high in the order as he was tracking early in the year.

Jackson Broadbent (Western Australia/Peel Thunder)
There was a bit of excitement about the 204cm ruckman leading into the under-18 national championships, but unfortunately he was picked for only two games for Western Australia and didn’t produce the kind of performances he is capable of. Broadbent averaged only eight disposals and 11 hitouts from his two matches, well short of his eye-catching efforts in the WAFL Colts competition this year. Broadbent was, however, a strong performer for the Australian under-18 team in its match against Collingwood’s VFL side in May, recording 17 disposals and 15 hitouts. That match won’t be forgotten by recruiters when they sit down to assess where he stands in the order.

The Sidelined Stars (Various)

Injuries robbed a number of players of the opportunity to show what they’ve got against the country’s best in the under-18 national championships.

But many might not be too greatly affected by their absences.
Vic Metro pair Elijah Tsatas (foot) and George Wardlaw (hamstring) are still in calculations to be top-three picks in the national draft.

However, recruiters are keen to see some more of other highly-rated prospects including Luke Teal (collarbone), Jack O’Sullivan (collarbone), Brayden George (knee) and Bailey Humphrey (knee) to assist in working out where they sit in the draft order.

 
goodcop badcop said:

AFL Draft: Why talls are rising, falling after champs​


CLIMBERS

Lewis Hayes (Vic Metro/Eastern Ranges)
A 197cm intercepting defender, Hayes hit some red-hot form at the right time of year during the national championships. A finger injury on the eve of Round 1 meant he had a slow start to the NAB League season, but AFL clubs had kept a close eye on him over the past two years and were excited by what they saw when Hayes lined up for Vic Metro. The younger brother of Port Adelaide ruckman Sam Hayes, he was particularly impressive against Western Australia in Vic Metro’s second game, when he logged 19 disposals, five marks, eight rebound 50s and six intercepts. Across three championship matches so far, he has averaged 15.7 disposals, 5.3 rebound 50s, five marks and 7.3 intercept possessions.

Matthew Jefferson (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Jefferson was marked as a promising draft prospect late last year when he was included in the initial NAB AFL Academy squad. However, the 194cm key forward has pushed himself up into top-10 calculations after a sizzling national championships campaign with Vic Metro. Jefferson has drawn comparisons to young Essendon forward Harrison Jones – who is an AFL player that he looks up to. His marking ability in the air has been a feature of his year, while his goal kicking has also improved and recruiters have been impressed with his ability to keep himself in games. Jefferson has averaged 10.3 disposals, four marks and kicked 12 goals from three national championships games.

Mattaes Phillipou (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
A damaging midfielder-forward who stands 191cm, Phillipou stamped himself as a first-round draft prospect after he was one of South Australia’s top performers in the national championships. Phillipou was best-on-ground in his state’s first match against the Allies, logging 23 disposals, six marks, five clearances, six tackles and two goals to catch the eyes of recruiters. The son of Sam Phillipou – who played with the Western Bulldogs and was a prominent player in the SANFL – he is a strong contest player and good overhead mark. Phillipou is viewed as South Australia’s best prospect in this year’s draft pool.

Aaron Cadman (Vic Country/GWV Rebels)
A lead-up key forward who has drawn comparisons to Geelong’s Jeremy Cameron, the Darley product made an up and down start to the year in the NAB League but showed what he is capable of on the big stage in the national championships. He logged 19 disposals, took eight marks and kicked 3.3 among nine score involvements in Vic Country’s third game against Western Australia. Standing 194cm tall, Cadman is a strong runner with good speed, marks the ball well and has a damaging left-foot kick. Some recruiters have Cadman pinned as the best key position prospect in this year’s draft and a potential top-five selection in a pool stacked with midfielders but short on talls.

Josh Weddle (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
A 191cm defender, a significant growth spurt over the past 18 months has seen Weddle jump into the frame as a potential top-30 draft prospect this year. He is a good interceptor down back – generally used as a third-tall – and uses the ball well when he wins it back. Weddle is athletically very strong, has explosive speed and can play on talls or smalls. He has also shown an ability to play forward and even have a run through the midfield. Weddle has averaged 14.7 disposals, 4.7 marks and 6.7 intercept possessions across three under-18 national championships games.

Olli Hotton (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
A 181cm small forward, Hotton has great footy smarts and has emerged as a top-30 draft prospect after a strong national championships campaign for Vic Metro. Hotton did not start the NAB League season on fire for the Dragons by any stretch, but showed a few glimpses of his potential. He is clean around stoppages and has good speed. Hotton has averaged 19.3 disposals, 3.3 marks, 6.3 score involvements and two goals across three national championships matches, including 24 disposals and 3.2 in the third of those games against South Australia. He is the son of former Collingwood and Carlton forward Trent Hotton, who played 78 AFL games in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Reuben Ginbey (Western Australia/East Perth)
One of Western Australia’s top draft prospects, Ginbey had primarily been a medium-sized defender before being used through the midfield during the under-18 national championships. Recruiters were excited by what he was able to show as a big-bodied onballer. Standing 188cm, he is a player with elite speed and endurance but is also a bull in the content. Across four national championships games, he averaged 20.8 disposals, 2.8 clearances, 5.5 score involvements and four tackles to win his state’s most valuable player award and stamp himself as a first-round draft prospect.

Tom McCullum (Allies/Clarence)
A 192cm defender, McCullum shot up the rankings in the eyes of recruiters with what he was able to do down back for the Allies during the under-18 national championships. Known for his intercept marking, the Tasmanian averaged 7.3 marks including 3.8 intercept marks across his four matches. He also showed great composure with ball in hand when he won it back, rarely wasting a disposal by hand or foot. An elite runner, McCullum also has the ability to break the lines with bursts of speed and averaged four rebound 16.8 disposals and four rebound 50s during the tournament. He sits as one of Tasmania’s top draft prospects, alongside fellow defender Lachie Cowan.

SLIDERS

Harry Lemmey (South Australia/West Adelaide)
A 199cm key forward, Lemmey was a strong performer for West Adelaide as a bottom-age player in the SANFL under 18s last year and made a good start to this season which included a taste of senior football. However, he did not perform as he would have liked for South Australia in the under-18 national championships. Across three games, the AFL Academy member averaged only 5.3 disposals and kicked one goal. Recruiters are still confident Lemmey will find a home in November’s national draft, but just not as the top-30 selection he might have been earmarked for at the start of the year. At the end of the day, though, where you are picked is just a number.

Tom Scully (South Australia/West Adelaide)
A 202cm key forward, Scully was added to the AFL Academy squad in May after a super start to the season in the SANFL under 18s which saw him kick 22 goals from his first four games. However, his form has not been quite so good since and he was picked for only one of South Australia’s four games in the under-18 national championships. Scully managed just eight disposals, two marks and two behinds in that match. Big men take time and there is no doubt there is some talent there. Like Lemmey, recruiters are still confident Scully will be picked up in the national draft, but just not as high in the order as he was tracking early in the year.

Jackson Broadbent (Western Australia/Peel Thunder)
There was a bit of excitement about the 204cm ruckman leading into the under-18 national championships, but unfortunately he was picked for only two games for Western Australia and didn’t produce the kind of performances he is capable of. Broadbent averaged only eight disposals and 11 hitouts from his two matches, well short of his eye-catching efforts in the WAFL Colts competition this year. Broadbent was, however, a strong performer for the Australian under-18 team in its match against Collingwood’s VFL side in May, recording 17 disposals and 15 hitouts. That match won’t be forgotten by recruiters when they sit down to assess where he stands in the order.

The Sidelined Stars (Various)

Injuries robbed a number of players of the opportunity to show what they’ve got against the country’s best in the under-18 national championships.

But many might not be too greatly affected by their absences.
Vic Metro pair Elijah Tsatas (foot) and George Wardlaw (hamstring) are still in calculations to be top-three picks in the national draft.

However, recruiters are keen to see some more of other highly-rated prospects including Luke Teal (collarbone), Jack O’Sullivan (collarbone), Brayden George (knee) and Bailey Humphrey (knee) to assist in working out where they sit in the draft order.

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The ones I’m keen on are Hayes, Hustwaite, George, and Humphrey. Two of them plus a KPD trade and I’m pretty happy.
 
Munnez said:
Think it was Smythes Phantom draft had us taking Aaron Cadman , think he has primarily been playing forward could he be a defender at the next level??
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Draft bolter - looks set to go top five now.
We may not have a first rounder this year anyway ;)
 
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