List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread

[_Cerberus_]

I am hoping we get a great offer for pick 11. There may be two really good players there but to get 2 bites at the cherry a few picks later would be great.

Pick 18&19 are about ideal for us. Keeping 21 to take just after that would be about perfect.

Pick 18 = Weddle?
Pick 19 = Hayes
Pick 21 = Konstanty / Clark (whoever doesn’t go at pick 20)

Then pick 39 will move up to pick 34 and we can draft a wingman at that point.

That would set us up nicely.

I reckon bring next years second into this year for someone else's second during the pick swap period. I feel there will be someone solid/best available at pick 11. Will still give us 4 picks inside the top 35, and allow us to cover all weak spots at least once. We will still have two first rounders next year.

If we drop 11 back for say 18 and 19, we will likely have to give 39 back in return. Thus our total draft hand stays the same really (3 x in top 35). No one will swap two late firsts for just one pick only five to six spots higher without getting something back. It will be two picks for two picks, unless our first was in the single digits.

Sydney would be a better bet to deal with, since apparently they "don't rate this years draft". They might accept 11 and future picks for their two in the late teens. Then it could give us that fourth pick inside the top 35.

 

[LittleG]

Yeah I think the trades fair as well, depending on how many picks GWS want to take but they have a heap at the moment so you’d think they’d want to move up.

Most years I would never do 11 for 18 & 19 to be honest so I think it’s still in their favour. Only reason I’d entertain it is cos we’re in the strange position where I’d rather quantity over quality - due to last two drafts - most years the winner would be the team that gets the high pick IMO

Without us getting Darcy and JUH, I would also not trade pick 11 for 18&19.
But as you said, we need that quantity this year.

GWS in a way also need that too, since they did trade up to pick 1 and now have fewer picks than before. But there list strategy has heavily focused on high end talent that are the elite of the elite and not the mid-range meat and potato type role player. I would have already called them to hear their thoughts on getting pick 11. Also call Swans too but there 14 & 17 would probably need another good pick back from us…. which I don’t think we should do. We do have a future second rounder to play with BUT better to keep it for next year.

We need those role players, the ones who get set a designated task and just do that well. Like a speedy small forward how isn’t an aerial marking threat. A wingman who can deliver a pass to advantage at speed. A KPD who can blanket a forward.

None of these are sexy burst midfielders or KPF. We really don’t need to draft those players this year. Next year, we could look at a burst mid by trade or by drafting one.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Swans the other option with 14 and 17 (for 11 and 21).

I'd rather split 11 than take Busslinger personally. But would be hard to ignore Phillipou if there at 11 though (real chance now that Adelaide and Port don't have firsts).

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Actually if Swans don't rate this year's draft wonder if they'd do our F1 and 21 for 14 and 17. Our F1 is 11 on today's numbers.

Imagine taking 11, 14, 17 (and 35ish) to the draft. 3 first rounders!

 

[doggies ftw]

I reckon bring next years second into this year for someone else's second during the pick swap period. I feel there will be someone solid/best available at pick 11. Will still give us 4 picks inside the top 35, and allow us to cover all weak spots at least once. We will still have two first rounders next year.

If we drop 11 back for say 18 and 19, we will likely have to give 21 back in return. Thus our total draft hand stays the same really (3 x in top 35). No one will swap two late firsts for just one pick only five to six spots higher without getting something back. It will be two picks for two picks, unless our first was in the single digits.

Sydney would be a better bet to deal with, since apparently they "don't rate this years draft". They might accept 11 and future picks for their two in the late teens. Then it could give us that fourth pick inside the top 35.

11 & 21 for 18 & 19 is massive overs.

Most clubs wouldn’t trade 11 for 18 & 19, we’re talking a pick just outside the top 10 for 1 extremely late first rounder, practically two very early 2nd rounders.

Of course it depends on how each recruiter rates the draft, if GWS don’t rate the player they think will be there at 11 higher than 18 Then they won’t do it but just speaking generally - 18 & 19 is about right for 11

 

[LittleG]

Swans the other option with 14 and 17 (for 11 and 21).

I'd rather split 11 than take Busslinger personally. But would be hard to ignore Phillipou if there at 11 though (real chance now that Adelaide and Port don't have firsts).

I think 11 & 21 is worth more than 14 & 17. To move up closer to the top 10 is worth more than to move down. A better balance would be a pick like 11 & 26 move up 3 and down 9.

 

[TiAn_]

I reckon bring next years second into this year for someone else's second during the pick swap period. I feel there will be someone solid/best available at pick 11. Will still give us 4 picks inside the top 35, and allow us to cover all weak spots at least once. We will still have two first rounders next year.

If we drop 11 back for say 18 and 19, we will likely have to give 21 back in return. Thus our total draft hand stays the same really (3 x in top 35). No one will swap two late firsts for just one pick only five to six spots higher without getting something back. It will be two picks for two picks, unless our first was in the single digits.

Sydney would be a better bet to deal with, since apparently they "don't rate this years draft". They might accept 11 and future picks for their two in the late teens. Then it could give us that fourth pick inside the top 35.

Given our needs, unless one of the gun mids slides to 11, I’d do something like 11 and F2 (Bears) for 15/18 & 19.

15/18, 19 & 21 would seem to be a good set of picks in this draft to get a top KPD, a top small forward and a solid midfielder. Would also leave us with another pick in the early 30s this year.

That would really flesh out our depth for 2023.

 

[_Cerberus_]

11 & 21 for 18 & 19 is massive overs.

Most clubs wouldn’t trade 11 for 18 & 19, we’re talking a pick just outside the top 10 for 1 extremely late first rounder, practically two very early 2nd rounders.

Of course it depends on how each recruiter rates the draft, if GWS don’t rate the player they think will be there at 11 higher than 18 Then they won’t do it but just speaking generally - 18 & 19 is about right for 11

Agreed. But it was just a quick example to make a point about the number of picks we have. Pick 39 would have been a better reference. I was just saying I don't think 11 will get both 18 and 19 alone. May have to give something late back, whether its 39 or future pick. If we did return 39, we would still only have 3 picks in this draft in the top 35ish, which in an even as draft feels near pointless, unless the goal was to make sure we definitely got say, Weddle.

My main point was using 11 to drop back and increase our draft hand inside the top 35ish, from three to four picks. That is improving our hand better than keeping 3 picks, that have just been shuffled around.

If we were to be stuck with 3 live picks, I would rather keep 11, and take a shot on a top 10 slider as best available pick. Given there is a decent drop off in talent after the first dozen draftees. And take two in the 20-35 range. Than just slide back, and take three players in a similar 20-35 range. I don't think the late teens to early 20s picks shit on those in the late 20's to early 30's range, to scream drop back and bunch up for. Its a very even talent spread post pick 15. At least one of our three picks would be a potential top 10 talent.

I'm just saying I would only trade 11 back, if we did not have to return anything, and it gives us a fourth pick inside the top 35, as I rate this draft as one that can fill in a few of our needs, even if its not a highly rated draft.

 

[Golden_6]

Actually if Swans don't rate this year's draft wonder if they'd do our F1 and 21 for 14 and 17. Our F1 is 11 on today's numbers.

Imagine taking 11, 14, 17 (and 35ish) to the draft. 3 first rounders!

It's good in theory but I'd like to see what Power can do with the cap space created by Dunkley + Hunter with a first rounder. We haven't had any ability to try and poach a big fish recently with our out of contract stars and JUH/Darcy wiping us our of consecutive drafts.

 

[VitalDread]

Hoping we get arond to delisting Martin and Butler

4 open spots for the draft, keen to see the recuriting team work without any bids restrictions

 

[doggies ftw]

Agreed. But it was just a quick example to make a point about the number of picks we have. Pick 39 would have been a better reference. I was just saying I don't think 11 will get both 18 and 19 alone. May have to give something late back, whether its 39 or future pick. If we did return 39, we would still only have 3 picks in this draft in the top 35ish, which in an even as draft feels near pointless, unless the goal was to make sure we definitely got say, Weddle.

My main point was using 11 to drop back and increase our draft hand inside the top 35ish, from three to four picks. That is improving our hand better than keeping 3 picks, that have just been shuffled around.

If we were to be stuck with 3 live picks, I would rather keep 11, and take a shot on a top 10 slider as best available pick. Given there is a decent drop off in talent after the first dozen draftees. And take two in the 20-35 range. Than just slide back, and take three players in a similar 20-35 range. I don't think the late teens to early 20s picks s**t on those in the late 20's to early 30's range, to scream drop back and bunch up for. Its a very even talent spread post pick 15. At least one of our three picks would be a potential top 10 talent.

I'm just saying I would only trade 11 back, if we did not have to return anything, and it gives us a fourth pick inside the top 35, as I rate this draft as one that can fill in a few of our needs, even if its not a highly rated draft.

Yeah fair points, maybe GWS would take a future pick instead of 39 (would they even use 39 this year? Currently 4-5 picks in the top 30 from memory) meaning we end up with 4 in the top 35 which would be a good result.

Hopefully whatever we do we do it on draft night - but tbh I think the only (realistic) player that could be there at 11 that id want to keep the pick for would be Phillipou - if he’s not available I’m more than happy to try and drop back and scoop up an extra pick in the top 30 IMO

 

[Zgope1]

A bit of mongrel in him too

Is this Jhye you mean?

 

[Dav1d]

Is this Jhye you mean?

He means Charlie

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Tricky situation with pick 11. I see there's a KPD likely to be around that mark. A bit of an awkward place to be - desperately need a developing high-quality KPD, but gee, we sure could use a high-quality mid who could bring some energy in the short-term too.

Obviously you have to go best available so it's all moot. But I think I'd be simultaneously disappointed and thrilled to get a KPD with that first rounder.

 

[weltschmerz]

11 is a good place to be. I would take any of these players (PMBangers’ phantom) who could be available.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Tricky situation with pick 11. I see there's a KPD likely to be around that mark. A bit of an awkward place to be - desperately need a developing high-quality KPD, but gee, we sure could use a high-quality mid who could bring some energy in the short-term too.

Obviously you have to go best available so it's all moot. But I think I'd be simultaneously disappointed and thrilled to get a KPD with that first rounder.

This is why I can see Hollands appealing to us if he gets to 11.

 

[dergert]

Ethan Phillips is just too much of a perfect scenario to land to one of our later picks.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

This is why I can see Hollands appealing to us if he gets to 11.

Anyone care to summarise (or link to) the 4-5 players likely around the mark? I've not followed the draft at all this season and with teams all desperately trying to move up the order or trade out of the draft I reckon we'll be going to the draft with 11.

 

[weltschmerz]

Anyone care to summarise (or link to) the 4-5 players likely around the mark? I've not followed the draft at all this season and with teams all desperately trying to move up the order or trade out of the draft I reckon we'll be going to the draft with 11.

I posted a snippet from Bangers’ phantom just above. Cam Mackenzie an excellent inside mid though the Saints will take him if he’s there. Reuben Ginbey is a favourite of mine, a genuine mid/def DPP who can shut down and blitzed the combine. Matteas Philippou is a tall mid-fwd with Bont comparisons. Ollie Hollands is a balanced inside-outside mid with a strong defensive game, and Elijah’s brother. Jedd Busslinger is the highest rated KPD in it.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Anyone care to summarise (or link to) the 4-5 players likely around the mark? I've not followed the draft at all this season and with teams all desperately trying to move up the order or trade out of the draft I reckon we'll be going to the draft with 11.

AFL Draft Power Rankings - September 2022

Click each players drop box for a brief summary, and then click profile for a full profile run down of their seasons, stats, strengths and weaknesses. Not all players have their full profile up yet though.

Obviously Ashcroft, Cadman, Sheezel, Wardlow, Tsatas, Clark the ones who definitely will not be there at pick 11.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Reuben Ginbey is a favourite of mine, a genuine mid/def DPP who can shut down and blitzed the combine

Surely West Coast take him at 8 and hope for Busslinger at 12 (or perhaps the other way around).

If Buss is there at 11 I wonder if we could swap for WC's 12 plus another upgrade.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I posted a snippet from Bangers’ phantom just above. Cam Mackenzie an excellent inside mid though the Saints will take him if he’s there. Reuben Ginbey is a favourite of mine, a genuine mid/def DPP who can shut down and blitzed the combine. Matteas Philippou is a tall mid-fwd with Bont comparisons. Ollie Hollands is a balanced inside-outside mid with a strong defensive game, and Elijah’s brother. Jedd Busslinger is the highest rated KPD in it.

AFL Draft Power Rankings - September 2022

Click each players drop box for a brief summary, and then click profile for a full profile run down of their seasons, stats, strengths and weaknesses. Not all players have their full profile up yet though.

Obviously Ashcroft, Cadman, Sheezel, Wardlow, Tsatas, Clark the ones who definitely will not be there at pick 11.

Thanks! Just on those little snippets I like the sound of Ginbey, Hewett and Hollands. Busslinger sounds alright if we do go tall. What are the knocks on these guys?

 

[weltschmerz]

Thanks! Just on those little snippets I like the sound of Ginbey, Hewett and Hollands. Busslinger sounds alright if we do go tall. What are the knocks on these guys?

Busslinger is a bit slow. None of the others are necessarily the best field kicks.

 

[Mofra]

Ethan Phillips is just too much of a perfect scenario to land to one of our later picks.

Late bloomer.
Apparently his APS form was patchy but that athletic package is just so damn attractive.

I like Gilbee too as a tall wingman, if only for his name. How good would it be to scream "Gilbee special" to a player who hands it off to a Gilbee goal from 55m again?

 

[Mofra]

Thanks! Just on those little snippets I like the sound of Ginbey, Hewett and Hollands. Busslinger sounds alright if we do go tall. What are the knocks on these guys?

Ginbey is WCE's no 1 target by all accounts. Supurb prospect