List Mgmt. 2022 Draft Thread

[murphy's twin]

Phillipou? And do we have a back line in this situation with Keath and Jones both approaching retirement age?

Yes sorry meant to say Phillipou


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[Bulldogs85]

Would seriously consider not renewing my membership if they ignore our most desperate list need for a fourth year in a row.

Hahaha imagine doing that because they didn’t draft a KPD

 

[murphy's twin]

Phillipou? And do we have a back line in this situation with Keath and Jones both approaching retirement age?

And yes we will have a back line in 2024.

By that stage we will have traded in a couple more cheap players, plus also 1-2 late in the draft/rookie draft/mid year draft (Gardner type)

 

[weltschmerz]

Hahaha imagine doing that because they didn’t draft a KPD

We're currently wasting a very talented list with our terrible backline setup. We have three KPDs on the list, one of whom is 32 and hasn't played for a year, one of whom is 30 and already looks cooked, and one of whom is a solid battler second tall. No youngsters developing in the role, no depth, and our previous depth players now at other clubs. Not addressing that, for a fourth draft in a row, is just straight up negligent.

 

[weltschmerz]

And yes we will have a back line in 2024.

By that stage we will have traded in a couple of cheap players, plus also drafted 1-2 late in the draft.

Where are we finding these cheap KPDs that other clubs are willing to part with, that are willing to come to us, and that will be best 22 for us?

 

[Dale4captain]

Where are we finding these cheap KPDs that other clubs are willing to part with, that are willing to come to us, and that will be best 22 for us?

Our entire current backline is exactly what you just described. Keath, Jones and Gardy.

 

[murphy's twin]

Where are we finding these cheap KPDs that other clubs are willing to part with, that are willing to come to us, and that will be best 22 for us?

Keath and Jones have been done recently.

I can easily see another one wanting to come over considering all the talent in our club.

 

[weltschmerz]

Our entire current backline is exactly what you just described. Keath, Jones and Gardy.

Why draft someone who we can develop as a ten-year KPD, when we can just find other team's castoffs who'll be serviceable for a year or two and then be right back where we started when they drop off a cliff?

 

[Bulldogs85]

We're currently wasting a very talented list with our terrible backline setup. We have three KPDs on the list, one of whom is 32 and hasn't played for a year, one of whom is 30 and already looks cooked, and one of whom is a solid battler second tall. No youngsters developing in the role, no depth, and our previous depth players now at other clubs. Not addressing that, for a fourth draft in a row, is just straight up negligent.

So what happens if the club doesn’t rate the KPD In this year’s draft. Personally I wouldn’t mind if we take the best available Something that that has served the club well over the years

 

[weltschmerz]

So what happens if the club doesn’t rate the KPD In this year’s draft. Personally I wouldn’t mind if we take the best available Something that that has served the club well over the years

Then we waste another year of Bont, Macrae, and Libba with a makeshift backline and nobody ready to step in.

 

[Dale4captain]

Why draft someone who we can develop as a ten-year KPD, when we can just find other team's castoffs who'll be serviceable for a year or two and then be right back where we started when they drop off a cliff?

I’m not sure of your overall point though. I agree we should draft a young KPD to develop but your argument about not renewing your membership if they dont as it would be wasteful to this talented list doesn’t make heaps of sense. What’s a skinny 18 year old tall going to do short term to contend? Would much rather a Jones type right now while we’re in WIN mode.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Then we waste another year of Bont, Macrae, and Libba with a makeshift backline and nobody ready to step in.

What makes you think 2023 will be a wasted year can you see in the future

 

[weltschmerz]

What makes you think 2023 will be a wasted year can you see in the future

One or two injuries and we're playing Tim ****ing O'Brien as full back.

I’m not sure of your overall point though. I agree we should draft a young KPD to develop but your argument about not renewing your membership if they dont as it would be wasteful to this talented list doesn’t make heaps of sense. What’s a skinny 18 year old tall going to do short term to contend? Would much rather a Jones type right now while we’re in WIN mode.

We need both someone who can be ready to step in now, and someone to develop so the next years aren't also wasted in this ridiculous cycle of finding a cast-off 30-year-old, waiting until he drops off, and finding another one.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Really hope we go best available with our first two picks (and not just 11). I'd hate to see us use our Pick 11 on Busslinger if a Hollands/Ginbey/Mackenzie is still on the board, or pass up Jones for Van Es

 

[Euku]

Really hope we go best available with our first two picks (and not just 11). I'd hate to see us use our Pick 11 on Busslinger if a Hollands/Ginbey/Mackenzie is still on the board, or pass up Jones for Van Es

Absolutely

 

[weltschmerz]

Hahaha imagine doing that because they didn’t draft a KPD

In fairness, I'm in a shocking mood and exaggerating my frustrations. I think my renewal's already gone through anyway. "Would consider not renewing my membership" could probably be replaced with "would be seriously concerned about how the club views our list balance, play style, and future".

We've got six list spots I think, and we know two of them are going to Rowe and Sullivan. If two of the others don't go to KPDs (I’m not saying only skinny 18-year-old KPDs) I'll consider the draft/trade period a failure.

 

[Bulldogs85]

In fairness, I'm in a shocking mood and exaggerating my frustrations. I think my renewal's already gone through anyway. "Would consider not renewing my membership" could probably be replaced with "would be seriously concerned about how the club views our list balance, play style, and future".

We've got six list spots I think, and we know two of them are going to Rowe and Sullivan. If two of the others don't go to KPDs (I’m not saying only skinny 18-year-old KPDs) I'll consider the draft/trade period a failure.

Nothing wrong expressing your Frustration hopefully the club draft’s a young developing KPD. It’s a shame we lost Lewis Young after all the development the club put into him.

 

[doggies ftw]

Then we waste another year of Bont, Macrae, and Libba with a makeshift backline and nobody ready to step in.

TBF our backline next year with Jones is the best it’s been in years so a draftees not gonna change that, I agree we desperately need some coming through but who knows we may see Darcy as a defender and if we do he’s better than any defender in this draft so we’ve got at least one coming through, then just need one more draftee.

I suspect we do take Buss if there at 11 or Weddle or Hayes if there at 21 but not much we can do unfortunately if they’re not there

 

[BulldogMuscle]

If anyone watched every single game the Dogs played this season and was happy with our back line (on stats either worst or second worst in the league) this year you are kidding yourself. Yes, game style comes into it but so does personal. No one here is truly happy with just Jones coming in to help fix this issue?

We seriously do need to draft a pair of developing backmen, Welts is right, we've ignored it for way too long.

 

[Mojorisin]

We definitely need to get some developing tall defenders however doing so in a draft bereft of elite tall talent is not the time to do it, will be paying an absolute premium for buss or hayes when they would go between 20-30 any other year. I'd much prefer to get a van es or Philips later and go for a high end tall talent next year when there is set to be more to choose from.

 

[weltschmerz]

We definitely need to get some developing tall defenders however doing so in a draft bereft of elite tall talent is not the time to do it, will be paying an absolute premium for buss or hayes when they would go between 20-30 any other year. I'd much prefer to get a van es or Philips later and go for a high end tall talent next year when there is set to be more to choose from.

It's always "a better draft next year" until next year comes along.

 

[Mofra]

Then we waste another year of Bont, Macrae, and Libba with a makeshift backline and nobody ready to step in.

KPDs can take years to be a week in, week out proposition.
You trade for immediate needs, drafting is for long term prospects.

 

[Mofra]

We definitely need to get some developing tall defenders however doing so in a draft bereft of elite tall talent is not the time to do it, will be paying an absolute premium for buss or hayes when they would go between 20-30 any other year. I'd much prefer to get a van es or Philips later and go for a high end tall talent next year when there is set to be more to choose from.

There are a few athletic 'project' type KPDs tipped to go late/rookie. Ideally, we pick up a KPD & ruck at the rookie draft regardless of our 3 live selections at the draft.
Best available with our first picks for me.

 

[weltschmerz]

Say we're at our third pick. Hollands and George are in Dogs jumpers, and it's pick 39 or roughly thereabouts. There's an undersized key forward who Twomey has ranked at 30, and a big-bodied KPD he's ranked at 31. Are we taking the forward because he's best available?

 

[_Cerberus_]

Starting to feel like we may miss out on Hollands now. Blues seem to be keen, they need an outside running type to compliment their inside brigade. And apparently he is a Blues fan as well. All the players I would like to slip to us at 11 (12) seem to be more likely to be gone now. At this point Busslinger seems to be the most likely to reach us. Not my main preference. As I feel Intercept defenders can be found everywhere.

We need more man on man type defenders than intercept types, and those willing to fight for each contest. Half our defence ball watch or quit running and drop their heads when beat on the lead, its not a good look.