No Oppo Supporters 2022 General AFL Discussion

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No Oppo Supporters - 2023 General AFLW Discussion

First week of AFLW already knee injuries galore

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Millky95]

Already employed as a Leadership Consultant at GWS so that ship has sailed.

Well that's just Prime

 

[SGBeach]

Hird should never coach or be involved at AFL level ever again

agree.. but in Hirds defence, there were people above Hird and equal to him that the Afl made sure got off. The afl used Hird as their scape goat.
Regardless, as you say, Hird should not be involved with footy at any level ever again.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/power,-politics,-and-the-afl’s-‘boys’-club’/13802630

 

[GoTheSwannies]

The prior opportunity question is a tough one... maybe we should do away with it. Because we're seeing a lot of occasions where a player will handball to a team mate who practically has a tackler right on him before he receives the ball, but it doesn't matter because it'll be a ball up cause he didn't have prior. Looks a little ridiculous.

I like the idea of maybe a 1-2 count, and if you haven't disposed of it you're pinged. And if you don't get a correct disposal off (ie not just dropping the ball) then the tackler should be rewarded as well.

Would be a lot simpler to adjudicate, the tackler would once again be rewarded, incorrect disposal would once again be penalised and we wouldn't see silly in close handball to a team mate who immediately gets wrapped up - players would be looking for other options and getting it on the boot rather than locking it in for a ball up.

The only part I'm unclear about the benefit, is when we have the rolling maul close to goal, I just wonder what the impact would be there, a defender would be more likely to kick or punch / paddle the ball on. But it just seems like in congested situations, particularly in front of goal, the rule change could potentially turn ugly. And teams would either be gifted goals, or players would be reluctant to take possession in those situations, which would be a terrible look with the ball bobbling around and players too scared to attach the ball. Just not sure how that aspect would work, but everywhere else around the ground it woukd work.

 

[Crust]

They make it so hard for the umpires. An example is the "Knocked out in the tackle" bullshit. Yet another split second call to be made by the umpire.
Either the player had possession of the footy or he did not.
If he did, and it was knocked out, it was an incorrect disposal. Free kick against him.
If he did not have possession, he was held illegally. Free kick against the tackler.

 

[Millky95]

If he did, and it was knocked out, it was an incorrect disposal. Free kick against him.

This is the big one for me. HTB is fine, incorrect disposal is the issue

 

[Tedeski]

IF Keith, Dougy and Robbie were once the kings on the wing ... THEN

Sliding Doors is back ... and the gloves are off

www.afl.com.au

IF ...​

Tom Mitchell is being "managed" out of a game of football ...

THEN ...​

let's be adult about this, and call it what it actually it is. He's not feeling great. That's a fact, and the club is happy for people to know that. But he's also not playing all that well, too, under new coach Sam Mitchell. Tom Mitchell is a professional footballer, a Brownlow Medallist, three-time best-and-fairest winner, contracted to play 22 home and away matches a season. And his team has "managed" him out of a round nine match. If he's sick, say he's sick. If it's for form, say it’s for form. If it's for personal reasons, say it’s for personal reasons.

Is Tom injured perhaps.
Surely he is carrying something.

 

[hairy biker]

Whilst most debate centres on Hird, Mark McVeigh

Mark Mcveigh

Age

43

Ht

184cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

slips under the radar.

Former Essendon player Mark McVeigh launches attack on those "lying" about Bombers doping probe

McVeigh angrily defends Bombers

www.foxsports.com.au

Worth a read, as a reminder, IMO.

Just one snippet;

McVeigh admitted to having off-site injections, but said these were to ensure a sterile environment.
He added they were for vitamins B and C.

Now Hird was the guy who brought in Dank and certainly takes far more blame for the program, but the day after the issue broke McVeigh was the attack dog set on Kyle Reimers

Kyle Reimers

Age

35

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

and Marky boy spun a tale of utter bull.

 

[SuperMal]

Don't mind this though. One media narrative that's been doing my head in is the "Swans are such a tough, contested side" nonsense, like they're stuck in a time machine from a decade ago. Hopefully the more media personalities start waking up to the fact we're not tough enough, the more the fire might burn in our boys to prove them wrong, cause something's gonna have to spark the change.

My point was more that he has a raft of teams he could pull to bits...especially the flakey Saints...but he’s always knifing the Swans.

I’ll be amazed if he doesn’t pick Essendone this week.

 

[rustycrate]

Prior opportunity is easy enough. Count 1, 2 or 1, 2, 3, even 1, 2, 3, 4.
If you haven't correctly disposed of the ball by hand or foot you're gone. If the tackler is good enough to trap the ball, you're gone. If you drop the ball, none of this "knocked out" BS, you're gone.
No ball ups. Free kick every time.
Players will try to knock the ball out instead of taking possession in a pack.
Reckon it would work just fine.

I actually think this is the missing link in Aussie rules becoming a very very watchable game.
There is still fake punching of balls when tackled. There is still getting the ball and ducking of heads hoping for frees.
If there was prior opportunity removed from the game, honesty in the contested part of the game would be visible. Everyone could see players actually trying to get rid of the ball if being tackled. Players now know they have time to assess their options and if none they feel the hands on them and start punching the ball, drag the ball in etc. It is not good viewing, it is not what the game wants. The game needs hard open honest contest with clear rules creating contests that don't invite fake plays by players.

Making things simple enables people to behave and understand what to do. I think Kiama Chris has outlined that simple rule change.

No fake. Just honest footy.

 

[rustycrate]

The prior opportunity question is a tough one... maybe we should do away with it. Because we're seeing a lot of occasions where a player will handball to a team mate who practically has a tackler right on him before he receives the ball, but it doesn't matter because it'll be a ball up cause he didn't have prior. Looks a little ridiculous.

I like the idea of maybe a 1-2 count, and if you haven't disposed of it you're pinged. And if you don't get a correct disposal off (ie not just dropping the ball) then the tackler should be rewarded as well.

Would be a lot simpler to adjudicate, the tackler would once again be rewarded, incorrect disposal would once again be penalised and we wouldn't see silly in close handball to a team mate who immediately gets wrapped up - players would be looking for other options and getting it on the boot rather than locking it in for a ball up.

The only part I'm unclear about the benefit, is when we have the rolling maul close to goal, I just wonder what the impact would be there, a defender would be more likely to kick or punch / paddle the ball on. But it just seems like in congested situations, particularly in front of goal, the rule change could potentially turn ugly. And teams would either be gifted goals, or players would be reluctant to take possession in those situations, which would be a terrible look with the ball bobbling around and players too scared to attach the ball. Just not sure how that aspect would work, but everywhere else around the ground it woukd work.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

MSN

www.msn.com

Yikes 71 goal loss.

 

[Old Kenny]

MSN

www.msn.com

Yikes 71 goal loss.

Don’t like seeing a club in that situation and good on Malthouse.. but there’s too many clubs in that area. A lot of clubs in the north east of vic are struggling for numbers. Even in the ovens and Murray which is the top level league in the area a number of clubs are struggling for players in the reserve grade. Covid hasn’t helped either.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

How bad were the umpire descent calls in the collingwood / dogs match? Buku got a push in the back and was questioning the no call, and then De Goey was half annoyed with himself that he gave away a push in the back and gets a call against.

It's seriously a s**t rule. Players should get a warning first before they get penalised. How the hell do they expect players to play the game hard, and put everything on the line, and then turn into robots once the whistle is blown, especially when the maggots blowing the whistle make the wrong call half the time.

 

[WillHayward]

Just realized we have 4 AA standard players running around at other clubs

Nank
George
Aliir
Dawson

 

[Kiama Chris]

Just realized we have 4 AA standard players running around at other clubs

Nank
George
Aliir
Dawson

Two at most.
Nank and George no way AA.
Aliir needs two accountable keys.
Dawson I'll grant. We wanted to keep him.

 

[WillHayward]

Two at most.
Nank and George no way AA.
Aliir needs two accountable keys.
Dawson I'll grant. We wanted to keep him.

They are all AA squad quality

 

[caesar88]

Two at most.
Nank and George no way AA.
Aliir needs two accountable keys.
Dawson I'll grant. We wanted to keep him.

Would not be so sure about George.

He is one of only 13 players in the competition averaging over 30 disposals this year. Of those 13, he has the highest disposal efficiency (84%), and is third out of that lot for contested possessions. He's also top five in the competition for clearances.

If he does what he's been doing every week (and let's face it, it's Hewett, so he will), he's in the 40-man squad easy. From there it's a matter of how much hype builds around him. Probably not enough, as the selectors are all about flash. But to your "no way", I say "no way".

Also, Aliir was named in the All Australian side last year, so he IS AA standard. That is just a fact.

 

[Millky95]

Also, Aliir was named in the All Australian side last year,

Says more about the AA side that an intercept 3rd tall defender gets CHB

 

[caesar88]

Says more about the AA side that an intercept 3rd tall defender gets CHB

Perhaps, but is it really that different to McGovern getting 4 of them despite being average at defending an opponent?

 

[Millky95]

Perhaps, but is it really that different to McGovern getting 4 of them despite being average at defending an opponent?

McGovern is much better 1on1 than Aliir is

And were McGovern's positions FB or CHB? Aliir's should have been one of the BP or the bench

 

[HighReeve]

Says more about the AA side that an intercept 3rd tall defender gets CHB

As per usual

 

[bedford]

The intercept marking call and stats are bullshit , an intercept mark is when you cut it off , not beating an opponent going for a mark !

 

[SwansProudly]

 

[bedford]

Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

out for maybe 3 months with a ruptured AC joint , terrific player

 

[Glenn_]

GWS couldn't muster a win for Leon in his final game in charge, going down by 5 goals to Carlton.
Next week at Docklands a win, and the Swans are back in the top four.