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How good was that Robbie Williams concert?! Well worth the $435 ticket + $1500+ for flights accomm, etc.
I didn't think much of the after-concert Cats entertainment though. :angry:

Okay, that's the denial stage done.


First post since this unexpected 'match' (mis-match?) results. Needed to travel through those stages of anger, disappointment, etc first.

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I felt like this GF was a continuation of where we finished after the last 15 mins of last week's PF, like they were still in that mindset just continuously defending an onslaught rather than smart, fast, accurate, skilled, offensive play & defensive pressure we have seen most of the previous 2-3 months. Throw in a worn & broken midfield too, maybe battered from last week and some other walking wounded..

I was one of the fans (as many here I'm sure) who Chris Scott had kindly acknowledged in the speech who stayed on for the ceremony, like I always do.
I feel if the Swans players had to go through it I'll be there to cop the pain with them as one. At same time I also fantasised of a day where we can start partying from the third quarter like cats fans were, rather than either an utter annihilation like this & 2014, or heart-palpitating wins of 2005 & 2012 with minutes/seconds to go. 🥺

As per my nickname and our song the honour doesn't change even through the (very) lows like this one.
It was a thrashing yes and a massive wake-up call in the most important game, but who would honestly prefer last season's finish to this year?
It was a level up from then which is what must be done each year (improve!) and those first 2 finals showed what we can do and have done plenty this year, especially more-so as the year went on.

I had to dig deep to find any positives from yesterday besides our few players who really stood out.
The main one that I've scraped out is that we have a side of young future stars of who most have signed on for many years and they now have this experience in their resume. It will burn & burn until they get their chance again and go 1 better, all quite likely to get that next chance in the not too distant future. Same thing happened after last year's EF loss - that was still raw and we saw how they came bursting into this year's QF. The GF is next level and they found that about 22 hours ago against some more hardened finals veterans.

Seriously, how lucky we are to be amongst almost every year? Finals wins and flag opportunities. I revisit our wooden spoon eras in my mind and then soon wake up to myself when I get too down about a bad patch or experience like this one. Theirs hundred of thousands if not millions of fans have never seen their team in a GF parade in their lifetime, let alone a flag.

We have a VERY bright future ahead with our mostly young team & the experience they have now gained from yesterday's dismal result. If I know our club's culture this won't scar them - it will give them purpose and a fire going into 2023 and beyond.
 
Punts said:
The thing is you are no guarantee to get back there soon

Yer they are young etc but means Jack s**t

A year early is just an excuse

Might have missed an opportunity
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Might? its a massive opportunity lost in a even season.

Its mind boggling the amount of effort and things to go your way to even make it again.
 
Sorry to intrude but I just wanted to come in and say how bloody awesome each and every Swans supporter at the game was yesterday. That was by far the best atmosphere I've experienced at a game.

There were big Sydney chants in the last quarter whenever you scored, there was no negativity or hate towards Geelong in anyway. Half an hour after the final siren and there still would have been 70k people still there. It honestly warmed my heart turning to see a bay of Swans fans standing to applaud Joel Selwood's speech. I've been to several Grand Finals and I can guarantee that that wouldn't have been the response from a lot of other fans.

Commiserations and all the best. Good luck for next year, you've earned a lot of admirers.
 

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MK38 said:
I think 2014 was a lot worse. That's the one where we should have won or at the very least been more competitive. 2016 certain things were beyond our control. Yesterday I just think the team wasn't ready as in we made the GF with a young team probably a bit before their time.
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2014 far worse. We were a senior match hardened squad with plenty of experience at that point.
 
Mantastic said:
Sorry to intrude but I just wanted to come in and say how bloody awesome each and every Swans supporter at the game was yesterday. That was by far the best atmosphere I've experienced at a game.

There were big Sydney chants in the last quarter whenever you scored, there was no negativity or hate towards Geelong in anyway. Half an hour after the final siren and there still would have been 70k people still there. It honestly warmed my heart turning to see a bay of Swans fans standing to applaud Joel Selwood's speech. I've been to several Grand Finals and I can guarantee that that wouldn't have been the response from a lot of other fans.

Commiserations and all the best. Good luck for next year, you've earned a lot of admirers.
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enjoy the win mate
 
Sounded like the decision to play Reid was as a collective based on Horse’s presser. The match committee screwed it all up, wasnt based off one person alone. Horse taking accountability for the selection.

Still have a feeling we would have got beaten regardless, just by 50 instead of 82.
 
zyzzbruh said:
I feel like it was the opposite. Geelong treated it like a normal game, stuck to their strengths and structure whilst we wilted in the nerves of the moment.
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I think it is fair to say that nerves got to us.

But I am not sure you are giving Geelong enough credit. They were ferocious with breaking tackles and absolutely switched on. Their marking was incredible. I think we wilted because we couldn’t match them.

And think of 2014, I don’t think that team was over awed as they won a GF just two years earlier. Hawthorne jumped us at the gates and we never recovered - same as yesterday against Geelong.
 
Punts said:
It’s started

Afl 7 helping nsw police find 22 missing players lol haha

A year of copping it
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nsw police reply was good
 
sataris said:
Watching the first few minutes again, it really is a case of men vs boys.
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i've heard of people into some weird shit before , but rewatching any of that is a bit much
 

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The King! said:
i've heard of people into some weird s**t before , but rewatching any of that is a bit much
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I didn't actually re-watch it.

Nor have i watched 2014 or 2016
 
In 2014 we were expected to win it. Lots of experience, just won a premiership 2 years before. Backline at its peak. Everybody in tip top shape. Star studded forward line. Unfortunately the Hawks played like they wanted revenge on us and we copped it. In terms of relative expectations, 2014 was definitely worse.

Yesterday we played like we didn’t expect to be in the GF in the first place, as if we arrived 2-3 years too early. Definitely overwhelmed.
 

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The King! said:
bounced back ok from 2014 too , all the talk of fading away , but 2 years after that we made another granny

so gives me confidence
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Slotting in Heeney and Mills along with Hewett helped.

We still had the nucleus of a great midfield Jack, JPK, Hanners, Mitchell all in their prime i dont see that with our current midfield yet.

Chalk and cheese unfortunely
 
Okay so being the absolute nuffy that I am, I looked back (rather torturously) at our centre bounces throughout the game, and broke them down into three categories: the pairings that did (and didn't) work for us, the culprits behind that 0-6 run of centre clearances in the 3rd, and the success rate of centre clearances based on a mids centre bounce attendances.

Our five most used centre bounce combinations in order of success rate at winning centre clearance:
1. Isaac Heeney, Luke Parker & James Rowbottom (four times with a strike rate of 75%)
2. Tom Papley, Luke Parker & James Rowbottom (four times with a strike rate of 50%)
3. Tom Papley, Luke Parker & Chad Warner (eight times with a strike rate of 37.5%*)
4. Errol Gulden, Luke Parker & Chad Warner (three times with a strike rate of 33.3%)
5. Callum Mills, Luke Parker & Chad Warner (four times with a strike rate of 25%)

*This figure is extremely flattered by two late centre clearances won in the last two minutes of the game.

Our mids by number of centre bounces attended in the run of six straight clearance losses in the 3rd term:
Luke Parker/Chad Warner - 5/6
Callum Mills - 3/6
Tom Papley - 2/6
Errol Gulden/Isaac Heeney/James Rowbottom - 1/6

(yes the game was most likely already out of reach by this point, but coming out after HT and losing the first six centre breaks all but killed any hope of a comeback.)

Our mids in order of success rate at centre bounces with a winning centre clearance:
1. Isaac Heeney (62.5%)
2. James Rowbottom (58.3%)
3. Tom Papley (46.7%)
4. Callum Mills (42.9%)
5. Chad Warner (40.9%)
6. Luke Parker (40.7%)
7. Errol Gulden (25%)

Based on all of the above, I think there's a few conclusions to draw (noting that it's not as clear cut as x did y and then we won or lost a clearance.)

The centre bounces functioned significantly better when Heeney and/or Rowbottom were involved, yet neither featured that heavily throughout the day (Rowbottom had the 5th-most CBAs with 12, way behind other mids like Parker (29) and Warner (22), whilst Heeney only had 8.) Instead, we heavily relied on the Papley-Parker-Warner trio (double the next most-featured combination) that bore very little results until Geelong were already partying on the boundary line.

I think we most likely tried to use that combination (Parker's contested work and evolving defensive game mixed with Papley and Warner's bursts) to try and generate the kind of fast, fancy centre breaks that could rival Geelong's, when what we probably needed was just more grunt in there and imperfect, territory-gaining centre clearances. I feel like we often actually lost possession of the ball and coughed it up by trying to get those fast, clean centre breaks.

Again, it's easy to say this looking at them as a whole when really each individual centre bounce is different and there are other factors involved like the rucks winning clearances off their own boot, the need to rest players on the interchange/in different positions etc. But I think maybe we went in with the wrong strategy for our centre clearances. Probably wouldn't have made much of a difference given how flat we were but maybe those dynamics are something we need to look at over the summer.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
Slotting in Heeney and Mills along with Hewett helped.

We still had the nucleus of a great midfield Jack, JPK, Hanners, Mitchell all in their prime i dont see that with our current midfield yet.

Chalk and cheese unfortunely
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yeah it's also the day after mate and hard to see positives

but no reason these guys can't bounce back

we can also add campbell properly mcdonald the other warner gould etc and whoever we can bring in
 

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