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Giant Pete

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I think Briggs will go and good luck to him. I think he’s good enough to be playing ones in some teams.
I think MDB retires. Phil should probably hang them up this year. His body is packing it in.
I can see Keeffe playing another year. He’s still got some speed and is a really handy role player.
Cal could probably go another year (I think he’s contracted) but I can see the end coming for him next year.

That frees up 3 list spots. Bobby will no doubt head off. That’s 4.
I think one of Taranto or Hopper will go. That’s 5.
That frees up some cap space too. Hopefully we can re-sign Tanner.

The beauty of the HH move to the backline is several-fold.
It doesn’t expose his weakness, which is contested marking. It plays to his strengths… undoubtedly his field kicking. He can split most one on ones and can read the play well enough to take some intercepts.

It also opens up a spot for Riccardi, who just needs a decent run at it. He is not a winger… he’s clearly a key forward and looks best taking grabs and splitting packs. Speaking of, he split a couple yesterday and left a couple of North players in his wake.
 

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It also opens up a spot for Riccardi, who just needs a decent run at it. He is not a winger… he’s clearly a key forward and looks best taking grabs and splitting packs. Speaking of, he split a couple yesterday and left a couple of North players in his wake.
Riccardi has looked much better in his recent stint in firsts. 7 goals in 4 games, but just playing better. Possibly as a result of better entries into F50, but also a bit of confidence from that 9-goal VFL game.

Also, a solid start from Wade Derksen in VFL yesterday. We essentially get a free 6-month trial to see what he can do, and that was a good start.
 

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THE STAR GWS CAN ‘AFFORD TO LOSE’… AND WHY IT WOULD SPARK A BIDDING FRENZY

He’s one of the most talented on-ballers on the Giants’ list, but there’s a “good chance” Tim Taranto returns to Victoria next season, according to Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph.

And if Taranto is keen to find a new footy home, St Kilda champion Leigh Montagna believes the Giants’ list is so well placed the club could probably afford to lose the gun midfielder.

Taranto, who claimed the Giants’ best and fairest award in their Grand Final year of 2019, is out of contract at season’s end and remains, arguably, the club’s biggest contract priority.

AFL Media reported last month Taranto was keen to get through the early part of the 2022 season before diving into any contract decision, with the Giants keen to step up talks.

But Ralph reported in the Herald Sun last week that Taranto was now likely to hold off on a new deal until late in the season.

That move, no doubt, will pique the interest of multiple Victorian clubs, who’ll no doubt be interested in a player like Taranto, who has the unique mix of being a tough inside ball-winner that can also push forward to hit the scoreboard.

Complicating matters for the Giants is they reportedly can’t afford to re-sign both Taranto and fellow inside mid Jacob Hopper – and the latter is tied to the club until the end of 2023.

Speaking on Fox Footy on Thursday night, Ralph said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Taranto move to a Melbourne-based club next season in a move that could help the Giants rebalance their list and their salary cap.

“I think it’s a likely chance,” Ralph told Fox Footy.

“He’s out of contract … they’re probably a little bit over the salary cap, as most good clubs are.”

Taranto, 24, has been a mainstay of the Giants’ on-ball brigade since being selected by the club with Pick 2 in the 2016 draft.

But Tom Green has emerged as a genuine contested ball player, while Josh Kelly has shown big improvement at the contest and Stephen Coniglio is having his best season in three years.

Asked if the Giants list could withstand a Taranto departure, Montagna told Fox Footy: “I really like their list going forward and I think they can do without him.

“We know he’s a wonderful player, but they’ve got Tom Green and Hopper, Coniglio – who’s getting somewhere back to near his best – and Josh Kelly, who’s a very good inside mid.

“They probably can afford to lose him and just try and fix up their front half.”

Montagna later added: “I think the Giants can surprise a few teams next year with a new coach.”




Not sure if this got sent in or not already but I haven't seen before that Taranto has put off contract talks until later in the year, timeline of putting off the contract seems to allign with Leon getting sacked and there being uncertainty around who the coach is going to be.
 
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THE STAR GWS CAN ‘AFFORD TO LOSE’… AND WHY IT WOULD SPARK A BIDDING FRENZY

He’s one of the most talented on-ballers on the Giants’ list, but there’s a “good chance” Tim Taranto returns to Victoria next season, according to Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph.

And if Taranto is keen to find a new footy home, St Kilda champion Leigh Montagna believes the Giants’ list is so well placed the club could probably afford to lose the gun midfielder.

Taranto, who claimed the Giants’ best and fairest award in their Grand Final year of 2019, is out of contract at season’s end and remains, arguably, the club’s biggest contract priority.

AFL Media reported last month Taranto was keen to get through the early part of the 2022 season before diving into any contract decision, with the Giants keen to step up talks.

But Ralph reported in the Herald Sun last week that Taranto was now likely to hold off on a new deal until late in the season.

That move, no doubt, will pique the interest of multiple Victorian clubs, who’ll no doubt be interested in a player like Taranto, who has the unique mix of being a tough inside ball-winner that can also push forward to hit the scoreboard.

Complicating matters for the Giants is they reportedly can’t afford to re-sign both Taranto and fellow inside mid Jacob Hopper – and the latter is tied to the club until the end of 2023.

Speaking on Fox Footy on Thursday night, Ralph said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Taranto move to a Melbourne-based club next season in a move that could help the Giants rebalance their list and their salary cap.

“I think it’s a likely chance,” Ralph told Fox Footy.

“He’s out of contract … they’re probably a little bit over the salary cap, as most good clubs are.”

Taranto, 24, has been a mainstay of the Giants’ on-ball brigade since being selected by the club with Pick 2 in the 2016 draft.

But Tom Green has emerged as a genuine contested ball player, while Josh Kelly has shown big improvement at the contest and Stephen Coniglio is having his best season in three years.

Asked if the Giants list could withstand a Taranto departure, Montagna told Fox Footy: “I really like their list going forward and I think they can do without him.

“We know he’s a wonderful player, but they’ve got Tom Green and Hopper, Coniglio – who’s getting somewhere back to near his best – and Josh Kelly, who’s a very good inside mid.

“They probably can afford to lose him and just try and fix up their front half.”

Montagna later added: “I think the Giants can surprise a few teams next year with a new coach.”




Not sure if this got sent in or not already but I haven't seen before that Taranto has put off contract talks until later in the year, timeline of putting off the contract seems to allign with Leon getting sacked and there being uncertainty around who the coach is going to be.
Ralphy trawling through our list mgt threads again. Hi Ralphy!!
 

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I think they need to know what Ward is doing and what Hopper is thinking end of next year. It's a bit of a gamble to let TT go and then Hopper walks as an FA the following year. Then the list goes from one extreme to the other.
 

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Let the bidding war begin on TT. Top 10 pick easily for him, maybe a first and a second. Would love to see us trade it forward and get a first round in the following draft. Just like the idea of trading forward especially while we still have a quality pick in this years draft (probably inside the first 8 picks).
 

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This is real 'mate of a mate of a mate' stuff, but apparently Collingwood are big into Tanner Bruhn and very confident of getting him next season.
 

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This is real 'mate of a mate of a mate' stuff, but apparently Collingwood are big into Tanner Bruhn and very confident of getting him next season.
dont take too much note of this stuff. So much to play out with these things, even if it comes from a guy in the room trying to cut a deal, a lot can happen and has to happen to get a deal done..
 

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Do people really think that we will go into 2023 with Taranto, Green, Ward, Perryman, Coniglio, and Hopper in the same team?

Taranto, Green and Hopper alone are enough inside. They’ll all be expecting decent coin.

We need to be proactive and trade at least one.
 

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This is how The Australian has us finishing for the rest of the season and the subsequent draft picks:

13. GWS (4-9, 91.1%)

R15: Collingwood (MCG) L

R16: Hawthorn (GIANTS) W

R17: Port Adelaide (AO) L

R18: Brisbane (Manuka) L

R19: Carlton (Marvel) L

R20: Sydney (SCG) L

R21: Essendon (GIANTS) W

R22: Western Bulldogs (Marvel) L

R23: Fremantle (Manuka) L

Predicted finish: 15th

Current draft picks: 6, 24, 42, 58, 60, 78

Seven goals from Toby Greene were not enough to get the Giants over the line against the Western Bulldogs last weekend. GWS has a tough run home, but could pull off an upset or two. The Giants have their own picks as well holding an additional fourth-round pick that is linked to Adelaide. The Giants have a few talented draft prospects in their Academy this year, including Harry Rowston, Nick Madden and Luke Lawerence.
 

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This is how The Australian has us finishing for the rest of the season and the subsequent draft picks:

13. GWS (4-9, 91.1%)

R15: Collingwood (MCG) L

R16: Hawthorn (GIANTS) W

R17: Port Adelaide (AO) L

R18: Brisbane (Manuka) L

R19: Carlton (Marvel) L

R20: Sydney (SCG) L

R21: Essendon (GIANTS) W

R22: Western Bulldogs (Marvel) L

R23: Fremantle (Manuka) L

Predicted finish: 15th

Current draft picks: 6, 24, 42, 58, 60, 78

Seven goals from Toby Greene were not enough to get the Giants over the line against the Western Bulldogs last weekend. GWS has a tough run home, but could pull off an upset or two. The Giants have their own picks as well holding an additional fourth-round pick that is linked to Adelaide. The Giants have a few talented draft prospects in their Academy this year, including Harry Rowston, Nick Madden and Luke Lawerence.
I would be willing to bet $1,000 we win more than 2 games in the run home.
 

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Do people really think that we will go into 2023 with Taranto, Green, Ward, Perryman, Coniglio, and Hopper in the same team?

Taranto, Green and Hopper alone are enough inside. They’ll all be expecting decent coin.

We need to be proactive and trade at least one.
Yeah I think Taranto is gone, I just hope we get a top 10 pick for him and finally draft a tall. Also being able to lock up Tanner would be amazing. You have to think 2023 would likely be the end of the line for Ward / Davis as well which will free up some good $$.

Wouldn't mind us locking away Callaghan as well with an extension
 

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I would be willing to bet $1,000 we win more than 2 games in the run home.
I wouldn't.

I think we're likely to snag a win or two here or there but so far we've beaten three of the bottom four and the Suns. They've given us the last two members of the bottom five as wins (fair, we should win those) but all the teams 10th and up have handled us fairly comfortably in the end. We've put up a fight in a number of those games but lapses in the 3rd or 4th killed a chance of winning.

Port would be the closest to a 50/50, we might get over the Pies though I'd favour them, but based off our form rather than "potential" the rest should handle us the same way we've been handled regularly this year. I'm not going to bet $1,000 on the combination of at best a couple of 50/50 chances.
 

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Do people really think that we will go into 2023 with Taranto, Green, Ward, Perryman, Coniglio, and Hopper in the same team?

Taranto, Green and Hopper alone are enough inside. They’ll all be expecting decent coin.

We need to be proactive and trade at least one.

Ward will be 33 next year and even if he plays every game won't get to 300. He's been a warrior for us and a legend of the club but I don't know what there is to achieve by playing another year even if it's for minimum wage.
 

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I'm normally the one talking up stability and holding onto players, but this is one year that I'd be happy to move a few on.

I would love to give Wade Derksen a run in first grade before the end of the year and see how he goes, but my impression from how he's played in VFL is that he's got plenty of upside. To me, then, we can dispense with keeping Sproule on as a spare KPF and back-up ruck (presuming Derksen shows he could handle that aspect). I'd be OK if we move Sproule to the VFL side for a few years. He's also a guy that we could reasonably be sure of bringing back on as a pre-season selection next year if we can't find an adequate draftee, or someone goes down injured.

That would leave us with Hogan (with body issues and presumably a limited career), Riccardi and Derksen as the KPFs, with HH able to be moved forward if needed, and potentially a ruckman able to be thrown into a forward role. (But then we might also see Briggs move on - but more about him later.) We would definitely need to draft a KPF, would this year seems to be a year that has a few scattered throughout the draft in various likely draft positions. Keeler and Lemmey likely to be early, but then Jefferson, Cadman later, and Sicily somewhere there but possibly more speculative at this point.

If Briggs wants out for more opportunity, I can see a few Victorian sides wanting him (Hawks, Cats most of all). He should gain an additional second round pick, and there's a few small forwards in that range who I think would be capable (Charlie Clarke, Seth Campbell, Jacob Konstanty) or a couple of useful outside run players. We would then want to draft Nick Madden as replacement developing ruck. He could either be a late matching bid, or if not bid, added to the rookie list.

I'd also tend to part ways with the Irish lad, Callum Brown, unless he shows something more in the second half of this season. And I'd be looking very closely at Will Shaw as well - one reason to give them a run in firsts this year and see how they go.

Add in retiring de Boer and Keeffe, with one more year for Ward and Davis, and delisting Brander and that's 7 coming off the list (4 main, 3 rookie) to create some space, even before worrying about Taranto, Bruhn and Hill potentially wanting to trade out.
 

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I'm normally the one talking up stability and holding onto players, but this is one year that I'd be happy to move a few on.

I would love to give Wade Derksen a run in first grade before the end of the year and see how he goes, but my impression from how he's played in VFL is that he's got plenty of upside. To me, then, we can dispense with keeping Sproule on as a spare KPF and back-up ruck (presuming Derksen shows he could handle that aspect). I'd be OK if we move Sproule to the VFL side for a few years. He's also a guy that we could reasonably be sure of bringing back on as a pre-season selection next year if we can't find an adequate draftee, or someone goes down injured.

That would leave us with Hogan (with body issues and presumably a limited career), Riccardi and Derksen as the KPFs, with HH able to be moved forward if needed, and potentially a ruckman able to be thrown into a forward role. (But then we might also see Briggs move on - but more about him later.) We would definitely need to draft a KPF, would this year seems to be a year that has a few scattered throughout the draft in various likely draft positions. Keeler and Lemmey likely to be early, but then Jefferson, Cadman later, and Sicily somewhere there but possibly more speculative at this point.

If Briggs wants out for more opportunity, I can see a few Victorian sides wanting him (Hawks, Cats most of all). He should gain an additional second round pick, and there's a few small forwards in that range who I think would be capable (Charlie Clarke, Seth Campbell, Jacob Konstanty) or a couple of useful outside run players. We would then want to draft Nick Madden as replacement developing ruck. He could either be a late matching bid, or if not bid, added to the rookie list.

I'd also tend to part ways with the Irish lad, Callum Brown, unless he shows something more in the second half of this season. And I'd be looking very closely at Will Shaw as well - one reason to give them a run in firsts this year and see how they go.

Add in retiring de Boer and Keeffe, with one more year for Ward and Davis, and delisting Brander and that's 7 coming off the list (4 main, 3 rookie) to create some space, even before worrying about Taranto, Bruhn and Hill potentially wanting to trade out.

A lot to play out in the season and then trade period but I still think the club needs list stability and who knows what the end of the season could bring but my thoughts

Retire
MDB + Keefe

Trade 1 of
Taranto, Bruhn, Hopper

I think Briggs would need to have someone offer a good deal to leave and not sure he warrants that on what he has produced, I dont think he has really dominated in reserves v a strong ruck and the Southport game was a big challenge for him and he didnt really fire a shot. Hope to be proven wrong on Sunday but he should stay for another season

Hill is an unknown but if he wants to stick around next year and feels he can play and the club agrees a 1 year offer should be on the table

XOH to stay although i think he does deserve more opportunity and hopefully 3 goals in the reserves is a boost to his confidence

It could come down to Shaw or Brown for a rookie spot and Shaw was always a project but the Academy players are showing more in reserves than him and delisting Brown is throwing away a 4 year investment and not sure if he has shown enough skills and development to continue

Brander I think deserves more time as he has plenty of skills he just needs to tidy up disposal and be more agressive

Sproule I see as down on confidence because of his shoulder form earlier this year, he isnt as competitive in the ruck as he has been and also marking and goal kicking is down and I will say talls do need more time and he could be given an opportunity as a defender to see how he goes as he is a good size and relatively mobile

I have thought for a long time that the reserves are hurt and the development effected by always having several different players every game and not having that experienced core, Hebron is a step in the right direction and also the 19/20 year old ex academy players but if they had signed Smout and Baker for the season it would have really helped the development

I will work of the idea that the club has 2 top 10 picks with 1 from finishing position and another from a trade out and moving up the order with the targets Sheezal and a tall forward (Plenty of opportunity for prospects to step up) Munkara could be another option for the draft and then picking up a mature, experienced small forward through trade or delisted player. Madden as an option in the ruck as he will likely need 4 years + of development
 

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I think trading Hopper or Taranto is probably the best possible outcome.

They are both at their peak worth wise in a trade. The return will be high. Bruhn is gonna be a jet and if we trade him earlier the less we will get in return....like Caldwell/Hately/Kennedy/Steele.

I think Hopper is more in line leadership wise....but style wise probably makes more sense to trade.
Green is a carbon copy of Hopper's size and time in contests....while Taranto probably gives you more versatility.

However my guess is that Taranto will be the one that teams will go for...

My guess is we lose
Briggs/Bobby/Taranto and maybe a few more pieces.

What we can gain out of the rest of the year is
Retain Bruhn
Get games into Bruhn/Stone/Alleer/Callaghan
 

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