List Mgmt. 2022 GWS GIANTS List Management (Trade/ Free Agency/ Draft/ Academy)

[Giant Gutsache]

Yep, I agree, that's a good graph that demonstrates that Cogs and Kelly are not the ones to be trading.

Whitfield and Haynes have been poor this year - Whitfield still getting possessions but not having his usual impact with them. The question is whether it's something permanent that they've lost, or just temporary.

I tend to think they’re not being traded because no club would take on their contracts. Whilst both have been very good this year, they’ve not been great value for money. Not a criticism of the players. They‘ve played very well and tried hard. It’s not their fault the club handed them the deals they did. Will make balancing up the list all the more challenging in coming years and contribute to the exodus of ambitious young players.

 

[gee whiz giant]

It’s not their fault the club handed them the deals they did.

Another way of saying this could be;

It's not their fault that the club matched deals that were being offered to them elsewhere.

 

[GWS Goose]

Another way of saying this could be;

It's not their fault that the club matched deals that were being offered to them elsewhere.

they all took less than was offered elsewhere.

 

[Andre the Giant]

If Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

31

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retires I do hope management look to give him a role with the club, perhaps like Bartel. He is such an impressive individual and has genuine passion for the club.

 

[GWS Goose]

If Phil Davis retires I do hope management look to give him a role with the club, perhaps like Bartel. He is such an impressive individual and has genuine passion for the club.

I think it is a given

 

[Pres]

If Phil Davis retires I do hope management look to give him a role with the club, perhaps like Bartel. He is such an impressive individual and has genuine passion for the club.

Would have made a good Captain. Oh wait....

 

[Andre the Giant]

If David Mundy

16

David Mundy

Age

37

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.1

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

11.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

5.1

5star

D

15.7

4star

K

6.7

3star

HB

9.0

4star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

3.7

5star

D

27.8

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

12.4

5star

M

5.8

5star

T

6.2

5star

CL

7.2

5star

goes down the coaching pathway he would be a great guy to get into the club. You would not find a more professional person and a different voice. High character, what the club needs.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Wasn't surprised to hear Sam Edmund on Sen suggest that Haynes has been put on the trade table, but given his age and form doubt there would be many takers.

 

[Giant Strides]

Wasn't surprised to hear Sam Edmund on Sen suggest that Haynes has been put on the trade table, but given his age and form doubt there would be many takers.

Is that really true, or just another journo throwing a dart? Yes, Nick's performances this year have been poor, but as I've said before, is there a reason that the club knows for that fact which might make it temporary, or a belief that it's a permanent drop off?

I see that Tom Green's been thrown up as a possible departure at year's end by one journo - I just think that's just dart throwing.

The problem is selling someone after a down year will leave opposition clubs attempting to drive down their value. Look at the Cats & Jezza.

 

[Andre the Giant]

The more I think about our club the more I’m reluctantly forced into the notion of entire rebuild.

I can’t see how we can fix our cap and list needs where we can do it any other way. Listening to McCarthy he seems like the Captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg “Nothing to see folks, all under control.” But in reality we are in trouble.

These guys chewing up the cap are not going to take us to a flag, by the time we are next good enough they will be too old.

Might be time to make the big call and give up one or two “untouchables” and go full rebuild.

It will be much easier to teach better habits to kids.

The one guy we should be tolerant with is Haynes. He has been one of our best servants and pushed money back to help enable us to keep others. Whatever he wants and needs we should accommodate.

 

[Hendo_21]

Wasn't surprised to hear Sam Edmund on Sen suggest that Haynes has been put on the trade table, but given his age and form doubt there would be many takers.

With Himmelberg's emergence as a defender I think trading Haynes is fine, but it'd probably be pretty difficult to find a suitor considering his age and a few people have reported a back ended contract. Probably still has a couple good years left in him if he can get fit, he's been interrupted most of this year with illness, I doubt the player we've seen the last few weeks is the true representation of what he is as a player at this point.

 

[Giant Pete]

Don’t panic too much guys. Look at Collingwood, third last to third in one year. These guys just need to learn the right gamestyle.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Jon Ralph just confirmed what we have all suspected. Whitfield has had a serious ankle injury which he had surgery on and is managing. It’s the reason for his drop off. He will not be traded.

 

[Hendo_21]

Jon Ralph just confirmed what we have all suspected. Whitfield has had a serious ankle injury which he had surgery on and is managing. It’s the reason for his drop off. He will not be traded.

It's good to hear, been so weird to see a lot of people in favour of looking to move him out when all we do is complain about the imbalance of this list (rightly so) and want more outside run and ball use when he's maybe the best in the comp at that when healthy. I don't normally like to guess salaries because it's so hard to tell when nothing is public but if Hopper and Taranto are on 600k each, Bruhn maybe 200k, Bobby probably similar, they should be able to clear over a mil in cap space then if Haynes moves on as well that could be almost 2 mil. Leaves plenty of room to lock down Green, Callaghan and the others coming through.

 

[Giant Strides]

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

It's good to hear, been so weird to see a lot of people in favour of looking to move him out when all we do is complain about the imbalance of this list (rightly so) and want more outside run and ball use when he's maybe the best in the comp at that when healthy. I don't normally like to guess salaries because it's so hard to tell when nothing is public but if Hopper and Taranto are on 600k each, Bruhn maybe 200k, Bobby probably similar, they should be able to clear over a mil in cap space then if Haynes moves on as well that could be almost 2 mil. Leaves plenty of room to lock down Green, Callaghan and the others coming through.

Why would you get rid of two guys in their prime taken at pick 2 and pick 7? They should be your leaders.

Whitfield will be 29 next year, he's played his best footy and would get back good value picks or players. You could trade cognilio or Kelly straight for Grundy and get rid of the other to north.

Bruhn looks a player why get rid of him?

Suddenly you have cap space and can play the younger guys instead of seeing them leave, you could even go after degoey.

He's can't afford to be non competitive, otherwise they will die off in the Sydney market

 

[dlanod]

Bruhn looks a player why get rid of him?

Because he's out of contract... Not much say there.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Because he's out of contract... Not much say there.

Unless they get a top 20 pick, they should force him into the PSD, where he goes to north.

You can't have guys walk out after 2 years at your club, where youve invested a high pick, time and effort to help them settle, he's played 27 games

 

[dlanod]

Unless they get a top 20 pick, they should force him into the PSD, where he goes to north.

You can't have guys walk out after 2 years at your club, where youve invested a high pick, time and effort to help them settle, he's played 27 games

Yawn. Refusing compensation to spite everyone is so BF.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Yawn. Refusing compensation to spite everyone is so BF.

What would you take for Bruhn, gws get walked over by first rounders leaving after 2 years, you can't continue to let it happen as a club

 

[Andre the Giant]

What would you take for Bruhn, gws get walked over by first rounders leaving after 2 years, you can't continue to let it happen as a club

It doesn’t really matter what we want. He’s out of contract and we have a system which allows these kids to walk after one contract and choose the club they want to be traded too.

Geelong if interested will try to act in good faith but they have bigger priorities, namely Hopper and De Goey.

De Goey would definitely require a 1st rounder, Hopper should but depending on our cap management scenario might even go for a 2nd or a future selection.

Bruhn was a Pick 12 who has not established himself as best 22 in a s**t team. He will be a 2nd rounder but hopefully there is some competition for him so we can at least get an early 2nd round pick.

 

[Mikevk123]

Need to flick the players who want out for Maximum value. Need to target list needs over inside midfielders.

1. Key Forwards
Aaron Cadman and Matthew Jefferson.

2. Forwards
Brayden George, Ollie Hotton, Jacob Konstanty

3. Key Defenders
Jedd Budslinger, Lewis Hayes


Need to back in the youth already on the list and play players in there natural position.

 

[Giant Strides]

 

[Pres]

It doesn’t really matter what we want. He’s out of contract and we have a system which allows these kids to walk after one contract and choose the club they want to be traded too.

Correct - our system is unique like that and it's not great. Never going to extract max value for a player.

 

[dlanod]

Bruhn was a Pick 12 who has not established himself as best 22 in a s**t team. He will be a 2nd rounder but hopefully there is some competition for him so we can at least get an early 2nd round pick.

I'd hold out hope for an late first round pick but it depends on which team he nominates. If it's a good team, we might get that first rounder. If it's a crap team it should be the early second. Because he was only pick 12, not a top 5 or so pick, it means not as many teams rated him super super highly to begin with.