List Mgmt. 2022 GWS GIANTS List Management (Trade/ Free Agency/ Draft/ Academy)

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Very average player. Hasn't progressed since being drafted. Someone will take a punt on him and delist him in a year or two.
 

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Geelong are committed to trading for out of contract midfielder Tanner Bruhn from GWS who has asked his club to trade him to the Cats. Doing the Bruhn trade would make it hard for the club to also trade for Henry, and Bruhn is the Cats’ priority.
 

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Geelong are committed to trading for out of contract midfielder Tanner Bruhn from GWS who has asked his club to trade him to the Cats. Doing the Bruhn trade would make it hard for the club to also trade for Henry, and Bruhn is the Cats’ priority.
That's interesting, given some other speculation around Geelong trading with Suns for Bowes and their pick #7. Of course, that's pretty speculative. Getting #7, even as an upgrade from #18 could give them further trade options, and ability to get both. P.S. Not that getting Bruhn & Henry would be that difficult, given this year's and next year's first rounders.
 

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Pardon the intrusion onto your board. Not here to under value the giants players trade worth but throwing up options.
It seems you have pick 3 and likely to get at least 12, 18 &19 from trades this year.
The Roos have pick 1 but then nothing til the 50’s. I reckon they‘d consider splitting pick 1 this year given the obvious best player will go to Brissy.
I wouldn’t trade pick 3 and north won’t trade 1 for 12, 18 & 19 but if you can wrangle say the suns pick 7 along with 12 & 19, the kangas might take 3 x 1st rounders including a top 10 pick. Means you‘ll have picks 1&3 - quality over quantity and take Wardlaw & Cadman to set you up for the next decade (subject to keeping em).
A few hurdles to overcome but does this have merit or interest to the Giants?
 

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Pardon the intrusion onto your board. Not here to under value the giants players trade worth but throwing up options.
It seems you have pick 3 and likely to get at least 12, 18 &19 from trades this year.
The Roos have pick 1 but then nothing til the 50’s. I reckon they‘d consider splitting pick 1 this year given the obvious best player will go to Brissy.
I wouldn’t trade pick 3 and north won’t trade 1 for 12, 18 & 19 but if you can wrangle say the suns pick 7 along with 12 & 19, the kangas might take 3 x 1st rounders including a top 10 pick. Means you‘ll have picks 1&3 - quality over quantity and take Wardlaw & Cadman to set you up for the next decade (subject to keeping em).
A few hurdles to overcome but does this have merit or interest to the Giants?
Of course we'd love to have #1 & #3 ... but:
  • getting #7 from Suns (or whoever Suns trade Bowes to) is a bit harder than writing "if you can wrangle" ;) &
  • I'm not convinced they'd accept dropping from #1 to #7 even with #12 & #19 to go with it - the cream will be in that #1-#4 range.
I could see a possibility of trading some of our late teens/early 20s picks for an early teen, so we have say #11 & #12, which we could use to induce Suns to trade #7 for that #11 & #12, one they could sacrifice with the Bowes trade and still have a mid-first round pick. But that doesn't get #1 (and I'm not doing all that to trade to Norths those picks). #3 and #7 would give us Cadman/Sheezel plus a decent mid (Mackenzie/Clark/Hewett) which would be decent. But very unlikely.
 

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How GWS talent Tanner Bruhn's trade request could change the future of AFL contracts
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Is this a big issue for player retention?

GWS list manager Jason McCartney believes so, as the Giants are preparing to lose some of their talent in the upcoming 2022 AFL Trade Period.

But let's take a look at it.

When youngsters get drafted into the AFL via the NAB AFL Draft, clubs are bound by a minimum contract of two years, which isn't long enough according to McCartney.

According to the AFLPA CBA article 22.3 'First Year Player' it states that:

"When a first year Player is first drafted by an AFL Club, that Player and the AFL Club shall enter into a Standard Playing Contract for a minimum term of two years..."

Giant Tanner Bruhn's trade request to Geelong after two seasons is 'disappointing' for McCartney, as he believes GWS wasn't afforded enough required time.

“Two years, that is really disappointing. No doubt there has been conversations had for a while and the AFLPA is involved, but our conversations with the AFLPA are around that fact," McCartney said.

"Those first-year draftees, the two-year standard contract needs to be longer, that’s for sure."

The Giants, alongside fellow expansion club Gold Coast, have been subject to player exodus' since their inception, with rival clubs swooping on vulnerable players early in their careers.

McCartney believes the early period in a player's career is now when clubs are forced to offer big money and long contracts to retain talent, to ensure they stay on the list.

“What we’re getting also is there’s an explosion in player salaries third year when they become open market. You look at ourselves and Gold Coast … what happens is you do have to pay a premium in that third year to retain the player," McCartney said.

“That’s fine when the player is performing and you’re paying for production, but players develop at different rates.

“The challenge is you’re in a position where you’re having to pay top dollar just to retain the players. Ultimately that puts pressure on your salary cap as well.”

The array of top-end talent and high draft picks has contributed to the social darwinism that lives within the expansion clubs, a theme the 16 other clubs rarely have.

This refers to the inability to fit 30-or-so first round draft picks or highly talented players into a side of 23, meaning some players would miss out and potentially seek other opportunities because of it.

Although it does occur around the nation, the Giants are hit particularly hard in this aspect.

What does history tell us?

Looking back since the beginning of 2012 (GWS' first year), there have been 16 players who left the Giants after their initial two-year contract, headed by Collingwood's Taylor Adams and St Kilda's Jack Steele.

Other players who have forged impressive careers since leaving the Giants are Carlton trio Matthew Kennedy, Will Setterfield and Caleb Marchbank.

Essendon's Jye Caldwell quickly returned to Victoria after his two-year stint while Jackson Hately went back home to Adelaide.

Bruhn is more than likely to be added to the list, with the Giants conceding the fact they cannot hold onto him, unless succumb to paying overs.

Despite GWS not wanting to retain all 16 players who left after their initial contract, there is still reasoning behind extending the minimum years.

The Suns were only subject to three players leaving after the minimum term, that being Josh Caddy, Jarrod Garlett and Jack Scrimshaw but have struggled to retain key players as the club has yet to make the finals.

ClubPlayer NameYearRival Club
Gold CoastJosh Caddy2011-2012Geelong
Gold CoastJarrod Garlett2015-2016Carlton
Gold CoastJack Scrimshaw2017-2018Hawthorn
GWSDom Tyson2012-2013Melbourne
GWSShaun Edwards2012-2013Essendon
GWSAnthony Miles2012-2013Richmond
GWSTaylor Adams2012-2013Collingwood
GWSJosh Bruce2012-2013St Kilda
GWSSam Darley2012-2013Western Bulldogs
GWSKurt Aylett2012-2013Essendon
GWSJonathan O'Rourke2013-2014Hawthorn
GWSKristian Jaksch2013-2014Carlton
GWSCaleb Marchbank2015-2016Carlton
GWSJack Steele2015-2016St Kilda
GWSMatthew Kennedy2016-2017Carlton
GWSWill Setterfield2017-2018Carlton
GWSAiden Bonar2018-2019North Melbourne
GWSJackson Hately2019-2020Adelaide
GWSJye Caldwell2019-2020Essendon
GWSTanner Bruhn???2021-2022Geelong??
 

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Pardon the intrusion onto your board. Not here to under value the giants players trade worth but throwing up options.
It seems you have pick 3 and likely to get at least 12, 18 &19 from trades this year.
The Roos have pick 1 but then nothing til the 50’s. I reckon they‘d consider splitting pick 1 this year given the obvious best player will go to Brissy.
I wouldn’t trade pick 3 and north won’t trade 1 for 12, 18 & 19 but if you can wrangle say the suns pick 7 along with 12 & 19, the kangas might take 3 x 1st rounders including a top 10 pick. Means you‘ll have picks 1&3 - quality over quantity and take Wardlaw & Cadman to set you up for the next decade (subject to keeping em).
A few hurdles to overcome but does this have merit or interest to the Giants?
I would love to find a way to Jag those 2.
 

PaythePerryman

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There is not way we give up 12 and 3 for 1. Absolute joke stuff.
Take what's left at 3 (not Sheezel) and pick up some more talent at 12.
Use our other picks as fodder to bring in more talent from other clubs.
Also....Collingwood's future 2nd...could be handy after a much harder draw and a year's worth of game analysis...just sayimg
 

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More from the ‘media merry-go-round’.

The extra bit was a mention that Nick Haynes might be “gettable” due to his salary. I have bolded those parts which maybe of interest to GWS posters:

AFL trade 2022: How the trade period could play out and what clubs will be out to achieve

Jay Clark

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26 SEPTEMBER 2022

Brodie Grundy is going to hit the pre-season with a bit of chip on his shoulder.

For the second time in three years, the Magpies are preparing to boot out one of their superstar players by lobbing a strategic grenade at one of the biggest salaries on their books.

The unexpected move is largely because Collingwood has almost $2 million of its $14 million salary cap tied up in its three ruckmen – Grundy, Darcy Cameron and Mason Cox – at a time when clubs are eagerly bargain-hunting in the big man department.

The bombshell move ignited a trade period which is expected to be the most hectic, most adventurous, and exciting in the game’s history with as many as 40 players set to transfer clubs according to some list managers and player agents.

For Grundy, this was perhaps a kick in the pants we didn’t see coming at the start of the season, and it is clear what point he will want to prove when the Dees and Pies face-off in one of the most anticipated home and away showdowns of the season next year.

Grundy was in outstanding form when the Magpies signed him to that monster deal at the start of 2020.

They warded off interest from the Hawks who were quietly talking about a seven-year deal worth about five million dollars to poach Grundy at the time.

It will be the big watch this summer just how Grundy, 28, and Max Gawn, 30, combine as part of the superstar ruck combination which was designed to give the Demons’ midfielders an armchair ride in the engine room.

Gawn was banged up by the end of the season and the move for Grundy – which will cost the Demons a late first or early second-round pick – is designed to help support if not protect their premiership skipper in the later part of his career.

The moves during this trade period will be bigger and bolder.

Over at Fremantle’s side of the poker table, wearing dark shades and pulled-down caps, Justin Longmuir and David Walls have gone chips in on Melbourne’s Luke Jackson.

Jackson can be anything. He’s the tall whose ground-level skills are arguably even better than his aerial capabilities. Melbourne believe he will be the best ruckman in the competition for a decade.

But maybe there is a little knot in the Dockers’ stomachs. They have already got Sean Darcy as a lead ruckman, meaning his new co-pilot will have to play something of a mix-and-match role.

That will mean motoring around like West Coast champion Dean Cox, roving perhaps at times like Cat Mark Blicavs, and going forward like Bulldog Tim English.

What is certain is Victorian clubs will come hard for Darcy if he has to play second banana in the ruck.

Jackson has spoken with West Coast officials, and officially has not ruled out a move to the Eagles.

But watch Fremantle look to swap its first-round pick with a club such as Port Adelaide to move up the first-round pecking order in a bid to satisfy the Demons.

The pick swaps will fly thick and fast in 2022.

Fremantle currently has pick 14 and could swap with the Power for pick eight and then off-load Fremantle’s future first-rounder to give the Dees’ the two prized choices they crave to stamp the deal.

Port would want a second-rounder in return for shuffling back a few spots in the first-round with the Dockers.

At Richmond, list manager Blair Hartley is preparing to pull an old trick out of his kitbag as the Tigers look to hand over their top picks from this and next year’s draft to electro charge the engine room.

In 2016, Richmond off-loaded pick six for ex-Gold Coast onballer Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy in a move which helped them win three flags.

And next month, Richmond will hand over selections 12, 19 and 30, plus next year’s first-rounder for hard nut Jacob Hopper and fire-starter midfield-forward Tim Taranto.

The Tigers beat the Cats and Magpies for the pair’s signatures with blockbuster seven-year deals which did raise some eyebrows at clubs around the league.

But there again is the boldness at play.

This October, the appetite for risk has gone up a couple of notches.

Early draft picks aren’t everything anymore, and certainly not to the clubs with mature lists who are in the mood to have a shot at the flag.

Just ask Geelong which has missed the finals only once under Chris Scott despite taking only one top-10 selection (Nakia Cockatoo) since Joel Selwood in 2006.

Yet since the Selwood draft, the Cats have won 56 more games than their nearest rival (Hawthorn) and four flags in total with a list management plan which was based on snaring exposed talent, low-cost experience and squeezing every lemon available in the draft and trade fruit bowl.

There were ten 30-year-old Cats in the 81-point Grand Final rout against Sydney Swans on Saturday including the oldest Norm Smith Medalist in the game’s history, Isaac Smith, 33.

But what matters when it comes to landing either the big fish or ready-to-go role players is value.

The Cats don’t over pay. They have their own salary system. They do what they think is fair to everyone.


Patty Dangerfield might have been on bigger money when he first lobbed at Geelong but next year the man who came second in Norm Smith Medal voting will be on about $600,000.

It is the sort of thing which gives them space to be able to afford second-year pair Tanner Bruhn (GWS) and Ollie Henry (Collingwood), helping add two first-round talents to a squad looking to go back-to-back next year.

Collingwood has a two-for-one play in mind by off-loading Grundy’s $950,000-a-year salary.

The Magpies, on account of their overhauled culture under coach of the year Craig McRae and new attacking and frenetic game style, have many players lined up to come to Collingwood.

Managers say the Magpies have been the most aggressive in the player movement space over the past six months.

There’s Brisbane’s Dan McStay, who is the Brody Mihocek clone, and GWS Giants’ speedster Bobby Hill who can bolster the forward half alongside Jack Ginnivan, Beau McCreery and goal kicking midfielder Jordan De Goey.

The Pies already have the pressure game in attack, so it is class and speed which Hill injects forward of centre.

Collingwood’s back line and defence was outstanding since Tom Lynch from Richmond gave the Magpies a touch-up in round 8.

It was the biggest turning point of the Magpies’ season.

But it’s in the clearances and in the forward half where Collingwood can improve even if a more challenging fixture makes life a little tougher for the Magpies in 2023.

McRae wants Adelaide’s Billy Frampton to replace retired fullback Jordan Roughead, while there is also another vacancy in the midfield which will also dominate the headlines for the next few weeks.

Hawthorn’s Tom Mitchell wants to come to the Magpies, as we’ve known for weeks, but it’s borderline whether a deal can be done for the contracted onballer.

It will hinge on whether the Hawks are prepared to accept a mid-to-late draft pick for the Brownlow Medalist and how much of his salary Hawthorn will be prepared to chip in for him to play in black and white.

Tom Mitchell faces a diminished role in the engine room under Sam Mitchell next year and can help bolster the Magpies’ clearance and contested ball work which was a deficiency at times in 2022.

For Hawthorn, the Mitchell move would be a salary dump in the same way Collingwood ditched Adam Treloar to a massive outcry two years ago, and GWS is punting Hopper and Taranto this year, in a bid to realign the books.

Star defender Nick Haynes is also gettable as his salary balloons to almost $1 million a year this season as part of a back-ended deal.

It is the kind of money the Giants have had to pay in the past to keep talented interstaters up north amid constant big-money interest from Victorian rivals.

But this year’s bold moves could signal a change in direction, if not for a renewed push for a cost-of-living allowance (COLA).

As the Giants say, renting a house in Geelong is a lot more affordable than a pad anywhere near a beach in Sydney.

GWS will go back to the draft under new coach Adam Kingsley.


St Kilda are yet to work out if they’ll attack the trade period or the draft.

The Saints have topped up in recent years with a flurry of B-graders and could yet lose Hunter Clark, one of its brightest young players, to North Melbourne.

So does St Kilda zig or zag from here? More top-ups or back to the draft?

The nucleus of talent currently may not be enough to help catapult it into the top-four with more big calls.

Western Bulldogs will prime its defence with the additions of Liam Jones (ex-Carlton) and potentially Adam Tomlinson (Melbourne) who could not get a game, as well as contracted Fremantle tall forward Rory Lobb.

They’ll face a fight on Lobb but his agent, Colin Young, is also helping Griffin Logue exit Fremantle to most likely North.

With Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Darcy in tow, the Dogs are braced for a major play this October in a bid to bounce back up into flag contention.

Watch them be brave.
 

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Potentially packaging up Haynes and one of the picks from the Taranto/Hopper deal as a salary dump then?
I think there's a fair bit of value in Haynes staying or being recruited by another club.

Just because the media are running with 'salary dumping'...doesn't mean we have to undervalue our players on the market.

If the Saints or Bulldogs want an AA quality intercept defender. Sure. Show us the picks/forwards.

With Hopper/Taranto going out I doubt our salary is in further need of correction.

Tom Green and Finn Callaghan are the future of our midfield.
 

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Potentially packaging up Haynes and one of the picks from the Taranto/Hopper deal as a salary dump then?
It's only the suns who give away picks like its candy cane. Any salary dump for us is more likely to be a nothing pick for a player like we did with both Patton and Scully. That said still think Haynes holds trade value
 

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Are these idiots only existing to raise my blood pressure. Suddenly Soldo is Max Gawn.
 

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If it was 12, 19, Future First and Soldo, maybe.

Not that I want Soldo all that much. I see him very similar to what we already have, if he is better, it is only just. Caveat if Kingsley think he is really good for some reason, maybe we do take him, but not in the trade scenario above
 

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If it was 12, 19, Future First and Soldo, maybe.

Not that I want Soldo all that much. I see him very similar to what we already have, if he is better, it is only just. Caveat if Kingsley think he is really good for some reason, maybe we do take him, but not in the trade scenario above
He’s an extremely high character guy so I’m not against him as some kind of trimmings but not for this set up!
 

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If it was 12, 19, Future First and Soldo, maybe.

Not that I want Soldo all that much. I see him very similar to what we already have, if he is better, it is only just. Caveat if Kingsley think he is really good for some reason, maybe we do take him, but not in the trade scenario above
No to Soldo
 

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Soldo isn't good! Lets stop pretending like he has real value as an upgrade over our current ruck situtation
Even hearing McCartney say 'none of our rucks had taken the no 1 spot'...it didn't sound like any of them were leaving.
We are probably happy with how Preuss looks if he can stay on the ground.
The idea that soldo holds value in this trade is just Richmond fans trying to offload crap.
They can go find some top quality picks if they want good quality players