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Danny88

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The biggest weapon we can leverage is an attacking game plan. I think it might take until the bye week until we really start to ingrain it. The pies are a great example. They got plenty wrong in the first half of the season, had some close wins go their way to keep the momentum and the belief, and by the end of the season they trusted the game plan

I can see our narrative being similar (not necessarily the number of wins- the amount of time it takes to establish trust in the GP)
 

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Heard this before and I hope it's true this year, Spike was picking from not even 30 players towards the end of the year
It is. And we had no small forwards virtually the whole year… ridiculous really considering the importance of the front Hal game and pressure. Relative to other teams… we had our hands tied behind our backs in this regard.
 

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Feel like doing a R1 team that's defintely wrong so here we go

Cumming Taylor Buckely
Ash Himmelberg Haynes
Whitfield Green Callaghan
Greene Riccardi Stone
Daniels Hogan Bedford
Briggs Cogs Kelly

Perryman Idun Ward Peatling

Main midfield rotation is Green, Cogs and Kelly with Finn and Perryman in the secondary rotation as well as Toby but to a lesser extent

Last spot on the bench was sort of tough, tossing up between Fahey, Lloyd, Peatling and Leek. Team feels a lot more balanced being able to pick more specialist forwards instead of cramming it with mids. Worry a bit about Ward's role if he's not in the mid rotation and how effective he can be elsewhere.
 

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Cumming Taylor Buckely
Ash Himmelberg Haynes
Whitfield Green Callaghan
Greene Riccardi Stone
Daniels Hogan Bedford
Briggs Cogs Kelly

Perryman Idun Ward Peatling

Main midfield rotation is Green, Cogs and Kelly with Finn and Perryman in the secondary rotation as well as Toby but to a lesser extent

Last spot on the bench was sort of tough, tossing up between Fahey, Lloyd, Peatling and Leek. Team feels a lot more balanced being able to pick more specialist forwards instead of cramming it with mids. Worry a bit about Ward's role if he's not in the mid rotation and how effective he can be elsewhere.
Leek on the bench makes the defence line - and the whole team - quite (and overly IMHO) tall. Although HH could take relief ruck duties and roll forward at times.

I am struggling over how the backline will work next year. In HH there or not? Given his ability to take intercept marks and launch counterattacks, then you'd have to lean towards yes. In which case, do you need Haynes? Or, if HH can take that second KPD role and still take marks, is it Buckley (who looked so good in 2021 before his injury) who doesn't get in? Leon liked 4 talls (and at times 5 talls if you count Idun as a tall at 191 cms), but will Adam Kingsley prefer a smaller and more running defence?

I agree with the query on Ward, but we did play him a bit in the backline when not in the midfield rotation. But with Taranto and Hopper gone, he might have a longer stint plugging the spare minutes in the on-ball rotation.

I too would put Peatling above Lloyd to start with - Kingsley will want pressure up front, and you'd think Peatling provides that more than Lloyd.

A lot more to play out during the trade period and draft, but an interesting early discussion.
 

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It is. And we had no small forwards virtually the whole year… ridiculous really considering the importance of the front Hal game and pressure. Relative to other teams… we had our hands tied behind our backs in this regard.
Who are the small foward on your list that have speed and are defensive minded
Some players are small fowards and speed but are not defensive mids as thats where the improvment will come imo
 

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The best side looks good but there is a distinct lack of depth. Some of the guys we are hoping to play haven’t got much experience so will take time. We need 1 or 2 more experienced players through trade and we desperately need Cadman.
 

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Who are the small foward on your list that have speed and are defensive minded
Some players are small fowards and speed but are not defensive mids as thats where the improvment will come imo
That is where we hope Daniels can stay on the park and Bedford can be his partner in crime plus also Peatling and my man Cooper Hamilton
 
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Leek on the bench makes the defence line - and the whole team - quite (and overly IMHO) tall. Although HH could take relief ruck duties and roll forward at times.

I am struggling over how the backline will work next year. In HH there or not? Given his ability to take intercept marks and launch counterattacks, then you'd have to lean towards yes. In which case, do you need Haynes? Or, if HH can take that second KPD role and still take marks, is it Buckley (who looked so good in 2021 before his injury) who doesn't get in? Leon liked 4 talls (and at times 5 talls if you count Idun as a tall at 191 cms), but will Adam Kingsley prefer a smaller and more running defence?

I agree with the query on Ward, but we did play him a bit in the backline when not in the midfield rotation. But with Taranto and Hopper gone, he might have a longer stint plugging the spare minutes in the on-ball rotation.

I too would put Peatling above Lloyd to start with - Kingsley will want pressure up front, and you'd think Peatling provides that more than Lloyd.

A lot more to play out during the trade period and draft, but an interesting early discussion.
Yeah still a few question marks around the structure of the backline, there's a few different configurations they can run with to figure things out. Think it's a decent problem to have because it's not an issue of not having enough talent it's just trying to squeeze everyone in, might take some time to figure out the right mix long term but gives us plenty of options to go with depending on match ups. If Buckley is healthy and looks like 2021 I don't see why he won't be playing every week next to Taylor.
 

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Feel like doing a R1 team that's defintely wrong so here we go

Cumming Taylor Buckely
Ash Himmelberg Haynes
Whitfield Green Callaghan
Greene Riccardi Stone
Daniels Hogan Bedford
Briggs Cogs Kelly

Perryman Idun Ward Peatling

Main midfield rotation is Green, Cogs and Kelly with Finn and Perryman in the secondary rotation as well as Toby but to a lesser extent

Last spot on the bench was sort of tough, tossing up between Fahey, Lloyd, Peatling and Leek. Team feels a lot more balanced being able to pick more specialist forwards instead of cramming it with mids. Worry a bit about Ward's role if he's not in the mid rotation and how effective he can be elsewhere.
Personally think HH is back into the forward line under Kingsley, he and Riccardi as lead up forwards are going to benefit from a quick ball movement game plan where they're not being forced into grappling contest everytime we look like we're heading inside 50. Fahey strikes me as a player that's going to get opportunities early under Kingsley as well, nothing better for a pressure game style than someone that can launch is 60 meters and break a defensive press
 

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Personally think HH is back into the forward line under Kingsley, he and Riccardi as lead up forwards are going to benefit from a quick ball movement game plan where they're not being forced into grappling contest everytime we look like we're heading inside 50. Fahey strikes me as a player that's going to get opportunities early under Kingsley as well, nothing better for a pressure game style than someone that can launch is 60 meters and break a defensive press
Had Fahey in initally but then went another direction but would have no issues at all with Fahey playing early and often if he is what we think he is, as for HH I think he's shown at least to me that down back is his best spot and I wouldn't be moving him from there, was one of the best in the comp when he went down there with his rebounding/intercepting combo
 

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Had Fahey in initally but then went another direction but would have no issues at all with Fahey playing early and often if he is what we think he is, as for HH I think he's shown at least to me that down back is his best spot and I wouldn't be moving him from there, was one of the best in the comp when he went down there with his rebounding/intercepting combo
The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.

The problem with putting HH down back - where I agree he excelled this season - is that he either plays 2nd tall and there's no need for Buckley or Aleer in that position, OR he plays the interceptor role in which case he replaces Haynes & the second KPF is Buckley/Aleer, OR we play 4 talls which has its own issues about structure/pressure/run.

Could we see Aleer take Idun's role? Idun is more of a restricting defender, but somewhat of a poor rebounder, tending to kick sideways to another player to get the rebound going. Now that's OK, if his defensive role is valued and achieving what we need. But if someone like Aleer can be restrictive, take marks, and rebound more effectively ... then we might make that change. But that still begs the question of Buckley v HH OR Haynes v HH, otherwise we are too tall IMHO.

Whether Fahey starts the season in first grade IMHO comes down to two things (apart from obviously his own preparation & readiness): where does Kingsley see Ash and Whitfield's best position (if midfield & wing the Fahey is more likely to get a go, if HBF then not), and how AK rates Adam Kennedy. He's probably IMHO the closest "like" player who could cede a position - a combination of lockdown skills, run and kick rebound. As has been discussed many times in this forum, he's not a prodigious kick, but does tend to be safe with his kicking. If AK is looking for better rebound (read: take more risks) from defence, and Fahey can match the 1-on-1 defence of Kennedy, then he's probably a good shot.
 

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The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.

The problem with putting HH down back - where I agree he excelled this season - is that he either plays 2nd tall and there's no need for Buckley or Aleer in that position, OR he plays the interceptor role in which case he replaces Haynes & the second KPF is Buckley/Aleer, OR we play 4 talls which has its own issues about structure/pressure/run.

Could we see Aleer take Idun's role? Idun is more of a restricting defender, but somewhat of a poor rebounder, tending to kick sideways to another player to get the rebound going. Now that's OK, if his defensive role is valued and achieving what we need. But if someone like Aleer can be restrictive, take marks, and rebound more effectively ... then we might make that change. But that still begs the question of Buckley v HH OR Haynes v HH, otherwise we are too tall IMHO.

Whether Fahey starts the season in first grade IMHO comes down to two things (apart from obviously his own preparation & readiness): where does Kingsley see Ash and Whitfield's best position (if midfield & wing the Fahey is more likely to get a go, if HBF then not), and how AK rates Adam Kennedy. He's probably IMHO the closest "like" player who could cede a position - a combination of lockdown skills, run and kick rebound. As has been discussed many times in this forum, he's not a prodigious kick, but does tend to be safe with his kicking. If AK is looking for better rebound (read: take more risks) from defence, and Fahey can match the 1-on-1 defence of Kennedy, then he's probably a good shot.
I'd have HH as the third tall where he float off and intercept with more freedom which puts Haynes in a difficult position because that's typically his role but HH is just so much more advanced offensively and with a full preseason training as a defender you'd think he'd be even more comfortable. I'm not sure what to do with Haynes tbh, it's difficult if he's not playing because we have so much money committed to him so for him to just not be playing feels like a waste but I think the teams better with HH playing his role. Whitfield is a wing imo, allows him to be one of the main kickers going i50 and have some damage forward of centre, also means he can really just work his defender over with his running. Cumming is great off half back and could see Fahey having an impact down there as well. Think it's a big year for Ash, going into his 4th year probably been a bit underwhelming outside of his encouraging first year, think we all want to see him play down back and be given real opportunity there.
 

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The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.

The problem with putting HH down back - where I agree he excelled this season - is that he either plays 2nd tall and there's no need for Buckley or Aleer in that position, OR he plays the interceptor role in which case he replaces Haynes & the second KPF is Buckley/Aleer, OR we play 4 talls which has its own issues about structure/pressure/run.

Could we see Aleer take Idun's role? Idun is more of a restricting defender, but somewhat of a poor rebounder, tending to kick sideways to another player to get the rebound going. Now that's OK, if his defensive role is valued and achieving what we need. But if someone like Aleer can be restrictive, take marks, and rebound more effectively ... then we might make that change. But that still begs the question of Buckley v HH OR Haynes v HH, otherwise we are too tall IMHO.

Whether Fahey starts the season in first grade IMHO comes down to two things (apart from obviously his own preparation & readiness): where does Kingsley see Ash and Whitfield's best position (if midfield & wing the Fahey is more likely to get a go, if HBF then not), and how AK rates Adam Kennedy. He's probably IMHO the closest "like" player who could cede a position - a combination of lockdown skills, run and kick rebound. As has been discussed many times in this forum, he's not a prodigious kick, but does tend to be safe with his kicking. If AK is looking for better rebound (read: take more risks) from defence, and Fahey can match the 1-on-1 defence of Kennedy, then he's probably a good shot.
Really good read.
Our backline is in a really strong position.
Preseason is going to be really interesting. I kinda wanna see Himmelberg move back into the forward line and use more 'runners' and smalls to move the ball up to him working up the wing. His goal assists and scoring probably hold more value for us with the current list.
With a little more of a defensive mindset coming in the midfield (Perryman/Ash) our backline will be sufficient without him.
I really like the look of Fahey.
Can't wait to see what Kingsley brings next year.
 

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Taylor Buckley HH
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash

... leaves no room for Haynes (allegedly on big $$).

Taylor Buckley HH
Haynes Cumming Fahey Ash

... except I'm not convinced Haynes is better in the role that Idun plays (1 on 1 restrictor).

Taylor HH Haynes
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash

... providing HH can defend 1-on-1 OK, and Haynes is back in form, gives us rebound run (via Cumming, Fahey & Ash), and long/precision kicking (via HH, Cumming, Fahey).

Pre-season watch will be interesting.
 

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If Buckley gets back to where he was HH would be ideal at CHF using his kicking skills further up the ground than out of the goal square. He also doesn't have to rely on delivery playing further up field either as his pack marking isn't his strength.
 

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If Buckley gets back to where he was HH would be ideal at CHF using his kicking skills further up the ground than out of the goal square. He also doesn't have to rely on delivery playing further up field either as his pack marking isn't his strength.
Yeah Buckley is a bit of a wildcard, he was fine offensively in 2021 but if he can take a bit of step forward in that department across preseason then HH might not be needed down back as good as he is there, in saying that if we see a jump forward from Riccardi then he might not be needed down forward either so if things go to plan he might be a bit of a luxury at either end. Just think with how aggressive and precise HH was down back with his kicking it really opens up so much ahead of the ball.
 

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Taylor Buckley HH
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash

... leaves no room for Haynes (allegedly on big $$).

Taylor Buckley HH
Haynes Cumming Fahey Ash

... except I'm not convinced Haynes is better in the role that Idun plays (1 on 1 restrictor).

Taylor HH Haynes
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash

... providing HH can defend 1-on-1 OK, and Haynes is back in form, gives us rebound run (via Cumming, Fahey & Ash), and long/precision kicking (via HH, Cumming, Fahey).

Pre-season watch will be interesting.
I'm going with

Idun Taylor Haynes
Fahey Buckley Cumming Kennedy

I'm throwing Ash in the midfield and on the wing so his running power/tagging can be utilised both ways a little more. I think he will have the ability to open teams up with his running. I think his one on one defence with he's in the backline isn't up to the standard of Kennedy (who had a ripping and underrated season in 2022).
I'm also throwing HH forward. He links up well and with Daniels/Bedford floating about I think he might light it up.
 

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I'm going with

Idun Taylor Haynes
Fahey Buckley Cumming Kennedy

I'm throwing Ash in the midfield and on the wing so his running power/tagging can be utilised both ways a little more. I think he will have the ability to open teams up with his running. I think his one on one defence with he's in the backline isn't up to the standard of Kennedy (who had a ripping and underrated season in 2022).
I'm also throwing HH forward. He links up well and with Daniels/Bedford floating about I think he might light it up.
Yeah, while I am in two minds about what to do with HH, to be honest this is probably what I'm favouring presently. But obviously AK's gameplan and pre-season will determine a lot of things for season 2023.
 

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I've also mentioned this before, but we really need to find a 'Chol' success like the Suns did last year; can we successfully find and use a mature KPF from another team or league. Cadman et al will be first year, Riccardi hasn't killed it at VFL level over the years, Derksen is an unknown and most importantly Hogan has issues playing a whole season. Playing HH back or front might be the robbing Peter to pay Paul syndrome. I mused about recruiting his Crows brother, which raised opinions on the latter's ability; though the point I was really trying to make was one of how do we entice someone to come over and stay. Perhaps knowledgeable posters could come up with a realistic list of KPF's who might be able to be recruited with the promise of a 'senior' opening/opportunity and low draft spot/s cost to the club.
 

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Central to the deal will be Richmond parting with picks 12 and 19 in the exchange, which could include the movement of other later picks.

Richmond and the Giants agreed to separate the two deals for Taranto and Jacob Hopper, who has also requested a trade to Richmond. As Taranto is out of contract and Hopper contracted, it was considered easier and cleaner to separate the deals.

The likely sum of the deals to move both players to the Tigers will be that Richmond give up 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s draft and their first-round pick next year, which is popularly considered to be a stronger draft than this year. There will probably be some movement of other, later picks involved in the final deals and potentially a Richmond player moving to the Giants.


About what we were expecting, 2 firsts and 2 seconds plus maybe some later picks and potentially a player

In other likely early movement, Giants small forward Bobby Hill will move to Collingwood in a trade of their future second-round pick, with another pick coming back to Collingwood this year.

Can't imagine the pick going back to them is of much significance
 

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