List Mgmt. 2022 GWS GIANTS List Management (Trade/ Free Agency/ Draft/ Academy)

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fargothegreat said:
McCartney strongly implying that Soldo will be involved in the Hopper trade.

Beyond knowing that you guys already have more rucks than most clubs, I don't really have much of an idea as to how they all fit, so I'd love if your board could provide a bit of an insight.

What is the current situation with Preuss, Flynn and Briggs? How would you rank them? Is one considered the first choice ruck? Is one high potential? Or just depth?

If Soldo is coming in, is there one you'd like to send back the other way as you'd probably have too many? Or do you not consider Soldo to be an upgrade on any of them?
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Preuss when he's on the field might be the pick of the bunch but he's shown no ability to do that consistently, Briggs came on pretty strong towards the end of last year when he finally got a chance after playing a good chunk of games in 2021, think he'd be my pick to be round 1 ruck next year, Flynn's probably third at this point out of the 3, think he's solid as a second ruck that can go forward a little bit but probably not capable of taking on a full workload on his own. Flynn and Briggs are both still pretty young so there's clear room for growth out of of both of them. I think they're all at a similar level and Soldo doesn't seem like a clear upgrade at all, which makes the possibility of carrying 4 rucks even more baffling when neither of them really out-class the others. I might be a little higher on Briggs then the rest of the board but considering they just re-signed him to 2 year extension shows we're keen on him too.
 
fargothegreat said:
McCartney strongly implying that Soldo will be involved in the Hopper trade.

Beyond knowing that you guys already have more rucks than most clubs, I don't really have much of an idea as to how they all fit, so I'd love if your board could provide a bit of an insight.

What is the current situation with Preuss, Flynn and Briggs? How would you rank them? Is one considered the first choice ruck? Is one high potential? Or just depth?

If Soldo is coming in, is there one you'd like to send back the other way as you'd probably have too many? Or do you not consider Soldo to be an upgrade on any of them?
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Ffs we don’t need Soldo.

Briggs just re-signed so he obviously things he has a future in the 1sts.Flynn also.

Soldo is not an upgrade. He won’t get a go unless all 3 are unavailable.
 

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fargothegreat said:
McCartney strongly implying that Soldo will be involved in the Hopper trade.

Beyond knowing that you guys already have more rucks than most clubs, I don't really have much of an idea as to how they all fit, so I'd love if your board could provide a bit of an insight.

What is the current situation with Preuss, Flynn and Briggs? How would you rank them? Is one considered the first choice ruck? Is one high potential? Or just depth?

If Soldo is coming in, is there one you'd like to send back the other way as you'd probably have too many? Or do you not consider Soldo to be an upgrade on any of them?
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Preuss has the most upside as #1 ruck. But consistent effort, efficiency and discipline are areas to improve.
Flynn has been our #2 and shapes to be more Forward/Ruck. Average at both.
Briggs has potential to be a good ruck and ok forward, but only plays 70% or less game time - needs to get fitter.

If Soldo is more mobile and can be flexible in attack/defence, then that could be what separates him.
 
BarryAglett said:
Preuss has the most upside as #1 ruck. But consistent effort, efficiency and discipline are areas to improve.
Flynn has been our #2 and shapes to be more Forward/Ruck. Average at both.
Briggs has potential to be a good ruck and ok forward, but only plays 70% or less game time - needs to get fitter.

If Soldo is more mobile and can be flexible in attack/defence, then that could be what separates him.
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Soldo definitely not mobile. His strength is his tap work and his physicality. He can rest forward, but very much a first ruck rather than a ruck/forward, which is why he lost his place in the side. We had one game (I forget which sorry) where we experimented with using Nank up forward and it was no surprise that with the extra responsibility in the ruck Soldo had his best game of the year.

Nank's always been preferred as first ruck though because he plays like an extra mid and can't play forward at all (the experiment lasted one game because he was awful down there).
 
Guys just remember when Jarrod Witts was put up as part of a trade for Adam Treloar we all without exception scoffed (myself included) at the idea.

As it turns out Witts would have been outstanding.

I’m not saying Soldo is going to win us a flag but he’s a solid citizen and not as bad as people are making out here. For basically nothing he would increase our depth chart and he is a quality human.

Good people make your organisation better and if they cost very little what is the harm.
 
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Andre the Giant said:
Guys just remember when Josh Witts was put up as part of a trade for Adam Treloar we all without exception scoffed (myself included) at the idea.

As it turns out Witts would have been outstanding.

I’m not saying Soldo is going to win us a flag but he’s a solid citizen and not as bad as people are making out here. For basically nothing he would increase our depth chart and he is a quality human.

Good people make your organisation better and if they cost very little what is the harm.
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You mean Jarrod Witts?

I am happy if we get Soldo as long as we still get their F1 and probably pick 30. The question is what are we going to do with our 4 rucks on the list?
 
Maximus 2011 said:
You mean Jarrod Witts?

I am happy if we get Soldo as long as we still get their F1 and probably pick 30. The question is what are we going to do with our 4 rucks on the list?
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Maybe one of them seeks a trade elsewhere? But it's not like anyone has the number 1 ruck spot nailed down here either
 
Tigers should trade Soldo to Hawks or Cats (Ceglar to retire, not sure if he was on a 2 year contract) to upgrade pick 30 depending on picks available
Hawks at #24 could be what the club is looking for or a future 2nd from the Hawks
Not sure who else is looking for a ruck (Pies maybe although unlikely as they seem happy with Cameron)
 
dlanod said:
The problem is, inevitably, that these players do NOT cost virtually nothing. They cost virtually nothing for the Richmonds, Geelongs, etc, because they're basically getting to stay home and play AFL football.

For GWS to lure them up, they will need to stump up significantly more salary every year because they're offering the same opportunity (playing AFL football) but more inconvenience (don't get to stay home in your comfort zone). This is literally a large part of the point of the academies, and why we keep guys like Lloyd on the list and why Peatling will probably stick around indefinitely.

It's also the reason GWS tends to recruit delisted free agents rather than low value but high upside players from other clubs - the former is seeing their opportunity disappear so are willing to move for "virtually nothing".
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Agreed but i would suggest that at Richmond Jake Aarts career is coming to an end with Hopper & Taranto coming pushes Bolton , Martin more foward and the development of Cumberland & Maurice Rioli. Aarts is not really in a position to knock back GWS unless he has a chance to move o another melbourne club.

Castagna is in a similar position with the only difference being he has 1 year left on a contract , I feel if a 2-3 year deal on $300k for castagna & $200k for Aarts was offered they would move to continue their careers.

But its just a thought and Listening to Macartney on trade radio it sounded to me that they have not dismissed Ivan Soldo and have had discussions about him and sounded like a medical would be done if i remember correctly but he sounded like it will get done and was appreciative of Richmond being so easy to deal with and handing over the deal for taranto without haggling.

Think both teams have good history and alot of good will going on
 
Orange crush said:
Yes .... we will have our 1st, probably tigers 1st and possibly cats 1st next year .... but as it is being claimed a super draft then an extra 1st next year might benefit more than 19 this year .... be interested in what bites Caruso gets
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Jmac actually mentioned what a great get the 1st pick in the 2nd day of the draft represented and i think you may get a good deal for that pick or if a player like Keeler is still available and you miss out on cadman may be the perfect selection touted to be a Fwd/Ruck similar to Ryder
 
Andre the Giant said:
Guys just remember when Josh Witts was put up as part of a trade for Adam Treloar we all without exception scoffed (myself included) at the idea.

As it turns out Witts would have been outstanding.

I’m not saying Soldo is going to win us a flag but he’s a solid citizen and not as bad as people are making out here. For basically nothing he would increase our depth chart and he is a quality human.

Good people make your organisation better and if they cost very little what is the harm.
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Very good post and i wanted to make a similar post but was worried about the responses being a guest on this board but a couple of points i would like to highlight if i can and i know people will disagree but ill just put it out there for something to consider.

Preuss & Soldo played a fair bit of VFL against eachother and both coming from non football backrounds
In The VFL games i have watch Ivan Soldo always beat Preuss regularly and the only game soldo was unavailable Preuss did well but with Soldo he was not good as Soldo is nearly the same sie and just as strong so that took away Preuss advantage in these games.

Soldo is a premiership Ruckman and its not because he 'fell' into that position as he played alongside Nankervis that year and 100% deserved his spot and played well. He is not an agile athletic Ruckman but a very good tap ruck that rucks all game and has the discipline to play to the game plan and puts in 100% effort. will never be A grade but a solid Ruck but problem for him is both Nank & Soldo are too similar and in todays game 1 Ruck and 1 mobile athletic Ruck/Fwd seems the way to go so he becomes expendable in a way or becomes backup as Nank is the captain
 
Would you guys trade 19 and maybe 43 (or some other picks worth some points for us) for our 2023 1st? Would help us with Dunkley you would think as the Dogs get a very strong draft hand this year. Also helps GWS spread their picks over a couple of years.
 

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scoman said:
Would you guys trade 19 and maybe 43 (or some other picks worth some points for us) for our 2023 1st? Would help us with Dunkley you would think as the Dogs get a very strong draft hand this year. Also helps GWS spread their picks over a couple of years.
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I'd be pretty cautious about giving up 19, if I'm going to move that pick I think it'd be on draft night to really maximise value
 
It's not that I don't rate Soldo, I actually think he's a good ruck, but we have three other guys that also specialise in stoppage work and don't offer a whole heap else except for being bail out options for down the line kicks. I wouldn't be unhappy with him, but it's a position I don't think is that important to have an elite player in, or 3 depth players in. We'd get more value from an outside runner (Ralphsmith) or an experienced small forward (Castagna, yuck) convincingly, or even more from a noted leader, although that's near impossible.
 
Hendo_21 said:
I'd be pretty cautious about giving up 19, if I'm going to move that pick I think it'd be on draft night to really maximise value
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Yeah that's certainly tempting for GWS, they will probably get some pretty good offers for that pick. Perhaps 21 might be another option, but in that case, it would also have to include quite a good chunk of later picks as well. Im guessing you will be hoping to move at least a couple of this year's picks to next year.
 

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MELBOURNE will bargain for more than pick No.44 in negotiations with Greater Western Sydney over a deal for small forward Toby Bedford, who has requested a trade to the New South Wales club.

The Giants received that third-round pick from the Pies in a deal for fellow small forward Bobby Hill on Monday, and have since offered that selection to the Demons to secure the promising Bedford. But Melbourne, which had offered Bedford a three-year deal, is likely to seek more in a trade for the goalsneak after 18 games with the Demons since graduating from their Next Generation Academy.

"We've had a couple of chats and obviously Melbourne has got some moving parts as well. Everyone has got their positions, but we think we've got a pick sitting there right now that should facilitate that deal," Giants footy boss Jason McCartney told AFL.com.au's Trade Exchange. "We know Melbourne has some moving parts, and obviously we've got a couple as well, but I don't think they have anything at play with this deal. I think it's pretty straightforward. Hopefully, that's one that gets done sooner rather than later."

"We rate Toby really highly. He was part of our Next Generation Academy, we've put four years of development into him, he was in our 23 for most of the season in a team that finished second on the ladder," Melbourne list boss Tim Lamb said. "I would expect Toby to play a lot of footy for the Giants. It's nice that Jason (McCartney) said he thought that might get the deal done, we might have a different view."
 
Tomlinson available.
I wouldn't mind us bringing him back to play as a high half forward.
Play like a Nick Riewaldt type, run his defender up and down the ground , not many could go with him.
As usual, depending on cost etc.
 
GWS Goose said:
Tomlinson available.
I wouldn't mind us bringing him back to play as a high half forward.
Play like a Nick Riewaldt type, run his defender up and down the ground , not many could go with him.
As usual, depending on cost etc.
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Love it. He could also resurrect his off field video blogging skills. Might find house prices have gone up though
 
With the arrival of Ben hart, and other new coaches, what is happening with Spike McVeigh. Would love him to stay
 
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