2022 Hawthorn List Management Discussion (including Trade, FA period)

[Blackhawk42]

No change.

Mackenzie and Weddle 7+8

And from the sounds of MMs draft recap, potentially HH at 27 still.

The trade up to land Weddle potentially still happens even if we held both picks 6 and 7.

 

[RX Hawk]

Now it's all done and dusted with alot of talk about how we got under in some deals and payed overs in others I had a look at what we had before all of our trades and what we ended up with...

Trade, Draft and FA Period:
Before --- After
Null --- 14(18)
24 --- 36
Gunston --- Amon
Mitchell --- Stephens
O'Meara --- Meek
F2nd(Haw) --- F2nd(Dogs)
F3rd(Haw) --- F3rd(Dogs)


Hmmm.... Pick 14 for a couple of pick slides in the 2nd round and swapping Mitchell and O'Meara for Stephens and Meek.

And if we perform better than Dogs (I am optimistic)next season we have done really well.

 

[SunshineHawkCal]

Jai is currently still on the rookie list.

However, there are still further list lodgements to be done, so he can still get promoted

They won't as that's just extra money in the cap that they have to be accountable for.

 

[TylerDurden]

Jai is currently still on the rookie list.

However, there are still further list lodgements to be done, so he can still get promoted

Crazy. He'd be in our top 3 players on the list.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Dewnior]

No change.

Mackenzie and Weddle 7+8

And from the sounds of MMs draft recap, potentially HH at 27 still.

Highly doubt we would have taken Weddle at 8. We would have had other prospects rated higher on our board. More likely 8 would have been Ginbey or Clark or maybe even Poo.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No change.

Mackenzie and Weddle 7+8

And from the sounds of MMs draft recap, potentially HH at 27 still.

I would bet my house that they’d not have drafted Weddle at 8 if we’d had it.

We didn’t have him that high in our rankings, but we had him high enough to want to trade in and grab him at 18.

 

[burger09]

Should we assume we will target one or two tall KPP in next years draft?

We haven't taken any in the last 2 and next year seems likely to have quite a few of quality at the top end +hopefully McCabe comes on.

 

[TDS7]

Should we assume we will target one or two tall KPP in next years draft?

We haven't taken any in the last 2 and next year seems likely to have quite a few of quality at the top end +hopefully McCabe comes on.

Caddy, Reid, and Curtin will be the talls to watch next year. All three could be a worth a top 5 pick. McCabe looks more comfortable as a forward than a back in my opinion as well.

 

[Slainte]

Should we assume we will target one or two tall KPP in next years draft?

We haven't taken any in the last 2 and next year seems likely to have quite a few of quality at the top end +hopefully McCabe comes on.

Depends entirely on how Kosi and Jeka shape up in 2023. If both come good we are reasonably well-stocked.

 

[Topiary]

Depends entirely on how Kosi and Jeka shape up in 2023. If both come good we are reasonably well-stocked.

Kosi, great bloke and workhorse, but lacks forward craft and talent.
Jeka has the talent, but does he hold the commitment, the hard yards, the hard work, the sheer guts ???

 

[matey]

Don’t know how it works but didn’t Newk put some conditions during the PSD around payment terms to scare off other clubs? Some numbers being floated around at the time was $300k for 3 years?

If this is the case we need to stop being tight arses. We need to alter/align his pay to what he his worth making sure we keep him happy!

 

[Brant]

Don’t know how it works but didn’t Newk put some conditions during the PSD around payment terms to scare off other clubs? Some numbers being floated around at the time was $300k for 3 years?

If this is the case we need to stop being tight arses. We need to alter/align his pay to what he his worth making sure we keep him happy!

Can square him up next contract.

The whole point is to get more value out of players than what you actually pay them. Not screw them over, but don't go back & over-pay them mid-contract just because they turn out to be jets.

Otherwise, 2013-2015 never happens.

 

[nickrebellious]

I think the rule is if a rookie is paid more than the minimum, whatever extra is included in the cap. It's why Langford was put on the rookie list years ago, we saved 100k from our cap but the rest is included. It's why teams drop contracted players to the rookie list.

 

[FB19]

Kosi, great bloke and workhorse, but lacks forward craft and talent.
Jeka has the talent, but does he hold the commitment, the hard yards, the hard work, the sheer guts ???

Can we merge them into 1 superstar?

 

[Yardie]

Just want to say that IMO McKenzie absolutely nailed this offseason.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Just watched McKenzie's wrap - I note that he said a few clubs were trying to get back into the first round. I wonder if that's why we gave a bit away to get pick 18 because there were other bidders out there.

 

[streetspirit]

Just watched McKenzie's wrap - I note that he said a few clubs were trying to get back into the first round. I wonder if that's why we gave a bit away to get pick 18 because there were other bidders out there.

For sure, it was a seller's market.

Compare that to the Bailey MacDonald trade, we traded a future pick in the 70s I think he said for 51. Flipped the other way.

 

[TylerDurden]

Just watched McKenzie's wrap - I note that he said a few clubs were trying to get back into the first round. I wonder if that's why we gave a bit away to get pick 18 because there were other bidders out there.

Beatson on said there were 20 offers, and ours was the one they took.

 

[dermott]

Beatson on said there were 20 offers, and ours was the one they took.

Those who said we gave too much for pick 18 should take note of this. We offered what was required in a competitive market for the ability to move into the first round.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Beatson on said there were 20 offers, and ours was the one they took.

It's almost as if Mark McKenzie knows what he is doing

 

[badgrill]

It's almost as if Mark McKenzie knows what he is doing

yeah but "sleepy Mark, wake up!"

 

[cryptor]

I had to watch back 3 times at the start to make sure the nickname she referred to him wasn't what I heard the first couple times... "napper"

 

[hawkinoz]

Those who said we gave too much for pick 18 should take note of this. We offered what was required in a competitive market for the ability to move into the first round.

and I won't get tired of insisting we offered just right, IMO maybe even unders. If we compare apples to apples, then we have to compare pre-draft position and worst case and best case and expected case for next yr's draft position.

Worst case, we are spoon
-> then it is pick 14 for 19,24,37

Crazy best case, we are flag( indulge me)
-> then it is pick 14 for 36,24,54

Best case, we just make finals at 8th and get dumped.
-> then it is pick 14 for 29,24,47

Expected, we finish same spot at 14th
-> then it is pick 14 for 29,24,47

Maybe we slide, we finish at 16/17th
-> then it is pick 14 for 20/21,24,38/39

Even in the worst case, I think that is a good trade. Sydney were trying to extort 15 & 19 from GWS for their pick 14 before making bid. If it was 18 & 19, GWS may have even taken it.

PS : If you are going to use pick 18( and not 14) then you have factor in best and worst case scenarios of the number Academy & FS bids for next yr prior to round 2 start. Most likely at the moment is atleast 4-5 of them

 

[Topiary]

Can we merge them into 1 superstar?

I wish !!