2022 Membership Updates

[GhostofJimJess]

That's a big "if"

Sorry, should've done this if

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

 

[Aphrodite]

Carlton - as at 5th May

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Collingwood = 83,000

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Update

Richmond = 95,868
West Coast = 90,000 (announced on February 22)
Collingwood = 83,000
Carlton = 80,296
Essendon = 74,024
Geelong = 60,301 (as of April 8)
Hawthorn = 60,100 (as of February 19)
Melbourne = 59,144
Port Adelaide = 56,577 (as of April 11)
St Kilda = 54,454
Fremantle = 48,475
Western Bulldogs = 47,962
North Melbourne = 43,815
Adelaide = 40,000 + (as of February 19)
Brisbane Lions = 37,006 (as of April 11)
Sydney = 35,722 (as of February 19)
GWS = 25,094 (as of February 19)
Gold Coast = 8,721 (as of February 19)

 

[Engimal v3]

When (or if lol) North come good, I think they're going to pass the Bulldogs easily. We haven't done * all for 20 years and are only 4k behind them.

 

[gopies1981]

Update

Richmond = 95,868
West Coast = 90,000 (announced on February 22)
Collingwood = 83,000
Carlton = 80,296
Essendon = 74,024
Geelong = 60,301 (as of April 8)
Hawthorn = 60,100 (as of February 19)
Melbourne = 59,144
Port Adelaide = 56,577 (as of April 11)
St Kilda = 54,454
Fremantle = 48,475
Western Bulldogs = 47,962
North Melbourne = 43,815
Adelaide = 40,000 + (as of February 19)
Brisbane Lions = 37,006 (as of April 11)
Sydney = 35,722 (as of February 19)
GWS = 25,094 (as of February 19)
Gold Coast = 8,721 (as of February 19)

Looking at these numbers I think the final talley for each would be

Richmond 103,000
West coast 100,000
Collingwood 90,000
Carlton 85,000
Essendon 80,000
Hawthorn 70,000
Geelong 70,000
Melbourne 65,000
Port Adelaide 60,000
St.kilda 60,000
Fremantle 55,000
Adelaide 55,000
Bulldogs 50,000
North Melbourne 45,000
Sydney 45,000
Brisbane 45,000
Gws 35,000
Gold Coast 15,000

 

[dave10]

Looking at these numbers I think the final talley for each would be

Richmond 103,000
West coast 100,000
Collingwood 90,000
Carlton 85,000
Essendon 80,000
Hawthorn 70,000
Geelong 70,000
Melbourne 65,000
Port Adelaide 60,000
St.kilda 60,000
Fremantle 55,000
Adelaide 55,000
Bulldogs 50,000
North Melbourne 45,000
Sydney 45,000
Brisbane 45,000
Gws 35,000
Gold Coast 15,000

Pretty good projections.

Hawthorn will most likely get closer to 75,000. After Collingwood although Carlton should exceed its target of 85,000 if it continues strong performances. Richmond look set to fall just short of its 2021 total.

Essendon’s really disappointing season will cost it close to 10,000 members. In mid March it was confident of hitting 90,000, although its target was actually 92,000. Shows the impact of onf ield performance can’t be underestimated.

Am I the only one slightly disappointed in Melbourne’s figure? It’s hampered by its high MCC membership however I’d think they would’ve been quietly hoping for closer to 70,000 than 65,000.

 

[Billy ray]

Looking at these numbers I think the final talley for each would be

Richmond 103,000
West coast 100,000
Collingwood 90,000
Carlton 85,000
Essendon 80,000
Hawthorn 70,000
Geelong 70,000
Melbourne 65,000
Port Adelaide 60,000
St.kilda 60,000
Fremantle 55,000
Adelaide 55,000
Bulldogs 50,000
North Melbourne 45,000
Sydney 45,000
Brisbane 45,000
Gws 35,000
Gold Coast 15,000

I cant see SUNS anywhere near 15k. 10k maybe

 

[Aphrodite]

Carlton - as at 6th May

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Geelong = 63,124

 

[Guardian Hawk]

This seems to prove that the "Big 4" in Victoria still exist.

I wouldn't say "prove", no. Hawthorn, for example, have been top 4 in memberships for Victorian clubs in 14 of the last 15 seasons (mostly top 2). More often than Richmond, more often than Carlton and I think more often than Essendon too.

Last season was the first season in a very long time Hawthorn were not top 4, which is interesting as it coincided with the 'relaxing' of how memberships are counted (with Carlton experiencing a big jump).

 

[Toump Ass]

I just signed up as a Dees member, so you can add +1 to whatever total it was before.

 

[What else we can do]

I wouldn't say "prove", no. Hawthorn, for example, have been top 4 in memberships for Victorian clubs in 14 of the last 15 seasons (mostly top 2). More often than Richmond, more often than Carlton and I think more often than Essendon too.

Last season was the first season in a very long time Hawthorn were not top 4, which is interesting as it coincided with the 'relaxing' of how memberships are counted (with Carlton experiencing a big jump).

Based on form if Essendon, Carlton and Richmond (prior to 2013) had the same record as Hawthorn over the last 15 years they would have had higher memberships than Hawthorn.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Am I the only one slightly disappointed in Melbourne’s figure? It’s hampered by its high MCC membership however I’d think they would’ve been quietly hoping for closer to 70,000 than 65,000.

I wouldn't think an extra $100 on top of the $500-ish for MCC would be a deal breaker when it comes to club membership if you're passionate about your club. Without generalising too much, I would also hazard a guess that, based on my 40-ish years of going into the MCC for matches, that the demographic of members is usually of a little more affluence that it could absorb the extra hundred without breaking the family budget too much. I'm definitely no Warren Buffet in the wallet department, but it's always been really important to me to support the Tigers by supplementing my MCC m'ship, or even going for a higher category of m'ship.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Based on form if Essendon, Carlton and Richmond (prior to 2013) had the same record as Hawthorn over the last 15 years they would have had higher memberships than Hawthorn.

Yes, could well do. The 'Big 4' may also still be an accurate reflection (for the little it's worth). My only argument is that I don't think the membership numbers from 2022 prove anything (especially when some clubs haven't updated theirs for months). A broader analysis is needed IMO than looking at membership figures from one season in isolation.

From 1990-2020 combined for example, Hawthorn have the 2nd most members from Victorian clubs (Collingwood 1st) and were average on field for nearly the whole first half of that.

Looking deeper, in 1997 Hawthorn were 2nd, 98 - first, 99 - 2nd, 01 - 2nd, 02 - 2nd, etc. This is when Hawthorn were mostly rubbish (and Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood were all strong clubs). Carlton has rarely had more members than Hawthorn in its history.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not for a minute claiming (nor do I care) whether Hawthorn is "bigger" or not - just that single year membership figures are not really proof of anything, especially now when numbers are permitted to be fudged after relaxing what constitutes a member.

 

[What else we can do]

Yes, could well do. The 'Big 4' may also still be an accurate reflection (for the little it's worth). My only argument is that I don't think the membership numbers from 2022 prove anything (especially when some clubs haven't updated theirs for months). A broader analysis is needed IMO than looking at membership figures from one season in isolation.

From 1990-2020 combined for example, Hawthorn have the 2nd most members from Victorian clubs (Collingwood 1st) and were average on field for nearly the whole first half of that.

Looking deeper, in 1997 Hawthorn were 2nd, 98 - first, 99 - 2nd, 01 - 2nd, 02 - 2nd, etc. This is when Hawthorn were mostly rubbish (and Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood were all strong clubs). Carlton has rarely had more members than Hawthorn in its history.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not for a minute claiming (nor do I care) whether Hawthorn is "bigger" or not - just that single year membership figures are not really proof of anything, especially now when numbers are permitted to be fudged after relaxing what constitutes a member.

All numbers have been fudged for about 15 years if the Blues were were winning premierships around the same time as the Hawks they would still have more members fudged or not. Hawthorn nearly merged in 96 and there was a massive membership spike to keep the club alive it carried through to 02.

It's incorrect to say Carlton has had less than members than Hawthorn in it's history, 90 to 97, 03 to 06, 21, 22 and if you want to go prior to 90 Collingwood and Carlton have been 1 and 2 going back to the late 60's. I've been told that Carlton are in the top 3 most popular clubs after the Eagles and Pies with proof to back this up but the Bombers and Tigers have facts to prove otherwise. I just hope we win on Sunday that's what I care about.

 

[Hawkk]

All numbers have been fudged for about 15 years if the Blues were were winning premierships around the same time as the Hawks they would still have more members fudged or not. Hawthorn nearly merged in 96 and there was a massive membership spike to keep the club alive it carried through to 02.

It's incorrect to say Carlton has had less than members than Hawthorn in it's history, 90 to 97, 03 to 06, 21, 22 and if you want to go prior to 90 Collingwood and Carlton have been 1 and 2 going back to the late 60's. I've been told that Carlton are in the top 3 most popular clubs after the Eagles and Pies with proof to back this up but the Bombers and Tigers have facts to prove otherwise. I just hope we win on Sunday that's what I care about.

It’s pretty obvious that there is a Big 4, than Hawthorn and then the rest in Victoria.

I’m amazed Hawthorn (probably) has close to 70,000 members when our president continues to renege on his commitment to vacate the chair (after shopping the club for relocation, completely butchering the Clarkson handover, kneecapping any future Victorian State Government funding, making homophobic and racial comments and that’s all in the space of 12 months) but that’s by the by.

He’s basically the 21st century John Elliot now

 

[CarnTheScray]

The next time Hawthorn win a flag or two they will probably overtake Carlton or Essendon by then.

 

[What else we can do]

It’s pretty obvious that there is a Big 4, than Hawthorn and then the rest in Victoria.

I’m amazed Hawthorn (probably) has close to 70,000 members when our president continues to renege on his commitment to vacate the chair (after shopping the club for relocation, completely butchering the Clarkson handover, kneecapping any future Victorian State Government funding, making homophobic and racial comments and that’s all in the space of 12 months) but that’s by the by.

He’s basically the 21st century John Elliot now
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I took it as a backhanded comment at the Blues I know not intentional. I know member numbers are more relaxed these days, as a matter of fact we were the last of the big clubs(Hawthorn included)to catch on in providing a variety of memberships on offer and most expensive until recently (4-5 years).

Hawthorn have done well to maintain there numbers but it helps too by winning premierships like Richmond. Swap them over with the Bombers and Blues by winning 7 of the next 15 premierships no one will match them. Carlton have one 7 wooden spons in 20 years and Essendon no final in 18 years with 80,000 and 74,000 members no club could achieve that.

 

[Blahu]

I wouldn't say "prove", no. Hawthorn, for example, have been top 4 in memberships for Victorian clubs in 14 of the last 15 seasons (mostly top 2). More often than Richmond, more often than Carlton and I think more often than Essendon too.

Last season was the first season in a very long time Hawthorn were not top 4, which is interesting as it coincided with the 'relaxing' of how memberships are counted (with Carlton experiencing a big jump).

Reason Hawthorn was up for so long was all their success, including 3 flags in a row, they still could only muster 80,000 members. and 12,000 of those are Tasmanian. As you can see Collingwood Carlton Essendon, have been in the doldrums in that same period and yet here we are, like Richmond, all they need to do is win a final or a flag and they'll all easily tick over 100,000 members. Also, please look at the average home attendances over the past 15 years. You'll see that the Hawks still can't average higher than the others.
They are in the same bracket as Geelong and Melbourne.

 

[Hawkk]

Reason Hawthorn was up for so long was all their success, including 3 flags in a row, they still could only muster 80,000 members. and 12,000 of those are Tasmanian. As you can see Collingwood Carlton Essendon, have been in the doldrums in that same period and yet here we are, like Richmond, all they need to do is win a final or a flag and they'll all easily tick over 100,000 members. Also, please look at the average home attendances over the past 15 years. You'll see that the Hawks still can't average higher than the others.
They are in the same bracket as Geelong and Melbourne.

Whether it’s membership, attendance (total, in Victoria and against low drawing Victorian clubs) and raw support (whether through Instagram, Facebook, Instagram or otherwise) Hawthorn is clearly in a seperate bracket from Geelong and especially Melbourne.

In fact I would argue the gap to these clubs (especially Melbourne) is far greater than the gap from Hawthorn to the traditional Big 4

 

[Blahu]

Whether it’s membership, attendance (total, in Victoria and against low drawing Victorian clubs) and raw support (whether through Instagram, Facebook, Instagram or otherwise) Hawthorn is clearly in a seperate bracket from Geelong and especially Melbourne.

In fact I would argue the gap to these clubs (especially Melbourne) is far greater than the gap from Hawthorn to the traditional Big 4

This comment I can agree with, although I was making the point that if they’re all fit and firing, the “4” would stand out. Example, the off field success of Richmond winning the flag in 2017 compared to Hawthorn 2 years earlier.

 

[The Nostradamus]

North despite our worst ever year/s have hit our membership record