NFL 2022 NFL - Week 18

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SUNDAY, JANUARY 8 @ 8:30 AM
Kansas City at Las Vegas LIVE

SUNDAY, JANUARY 8 @ 12:15 PM
Tennessee at Jacksonville LIVE

MONDAY, JANUARY 9 @ 5:00 AM
Baltimore at Cincinnati LIVE
Carolina at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh LIVE
Houston at Indianapolis
Minnesota at Chicago
New England at Buffalo LIVE
New York Jets at Miami

MONDAY, JANUARY 9 @ 8:25 AM
Arizona at San Francisco
Dallas at Washington LIVE
Los Angeles Chargers at Denver
Los Angeles Rams at Seattle
New York Giants at Philadelphia LIVE

MONDAY, JANUARY 2 @ 12:20 PM
Detroit at Green Bay LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.30 AM ON 8/1: Kansas City at Las Vegas
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.20 PM ON 8/1: Tennessee at Jacksonville
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 9/1: Baltimore at Cincinnati
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/1: New England at Buffalo
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/1: Cleveland at Pittsburgh
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.25 AM ON 9/1: Dallas at Washington
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 9/1: New York Giants at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.20 PM ON 9/1: Detroit at Green Bay

LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 9/1: NFL RedZone

NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA, NT
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA

 

[Constantgin]

 

[AmericanCrow]

None of this is correctable without complete regime change

Shuffling assistant coaches is rearranging the deck chairs of the you know what

 

[AmericanCrow]

Fact these guys have no ability to formulate healthy relationships with those on roster is the least surprising thing ever

People skills are bad? Coulda told you that 7 years ago with the head doofus

 

[rumply]

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Depodesta found his scapegoat

Im just happy to see the golden child Depo is still untouchable.

 

[AmericanCrow]

Not only horrible GM but blind as well

 

[GG.exe]

Wouldn't call it a great moment, like yay NFL. It was woeful officiating leading to player frustrations, woeful officiating that has plagued the season, that happens every season now and ruins the integrity of the onfield product.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Dude I cant stop laughing, Jamaal goes from emotional to trash talking at the flick of a switch...

 

[AmericanCrow]

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Discuss all things Browns in the team thread like a normal person would with your fellow Browns fans AmericanCrow

 

[Constantgin]

Discuss all things Browns in the team thread like a normal person would with your fellow Browns fans AmericanCrow

There are no other browns fans

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

There are no other browns fans

There are plenty. AC thinks he's too good for them tho.

 

[GG.exe]

 

[GG.exe]

"they should rename the stadium Rock Hard Stadium"

 

[GG.exe]

Was this photo ...

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

More #numbers

Panthers and Saints both finished the season 7-10, the score in yesterdays game was 7-10

 

[offtherails9]

It's a funny league, and I hope this doesn't happen, but there's every chance Mahomes never gets to another SB. Maybe his team will fail to recover an onside kick, or a defensive player will go to the ground instead of taking it to the house in a Championship game. Or a terrible corner will play injured and give up a big TD before the half and then the coach will decide to kick a FG instead of going for it essentially ending the game with a poor defense. There's just so much that goes into this league and it's not the NBA. Some QBs have it good and things go their teams way, other QBs make 4 SBs in a row and never win one.

 

[Chism]

My issue with your statements are:

You're saying stuff that is obvious... its not edgy, or groundbreaking, its just fn obvious. Its clearly a troll, you and Chism only agree when you're trolling. Its the same s**t from you any time the Packers season ends. Kind of like a once-a-year American Crow. Or like Groundhog Day, but not funny.

My only consolation to this ribbing is, I know you'd be the same troll even if your team didn't fluke a Superbowl win whenever the * it was.



That being said, in said 30-0dd years, not counting those Packer dogs, 16 other QBs have won a SB.

Of those, 5 would have HOF enshrinement without SB wins (as would Favre and Rodgers)
Elway
Brady
Roethlisberger
P.Manning
Brees

4 of those, IMO, would have questionable HOF resume's
Aikman
Young
Warner
E.Manning

the rest (bar Mahomes, as his career is clearly too young to judge), are nowhere near HOF worthy
Dilfer
Johnson
Flacco
Wilson
Foles
Stafford

The numbers clearly suggest more 'lucky' QBs win Super Bowls than great ones...


I could go into just making it also, but I reckon that may prove the point even more, Stan Humphries and Rex Grossman

How am I trolling? Because I don’t support the same team you do? I like seeing the Packers get beat much like many take solice in seeing my own team get beat.

STO is spot on with his assessments and your history regarding SB wins with Favre and Rodgers close to back to back is appalling. Packers are the biggest under achievers of the last 25 years considering the talent they have had at hand.

If this is trolling to you so be it but I see it more as discussion which is what this board is designed for.

 

[fuey]

How am I trolling? Because I don’t support the same team you do? I like seeing the Packers get beat much like many take solice in seeing my own team get beat.

STO is spot on with his assessments and your history regarding SB wins with Favre and Rodgers close to back to back is appalling. Packers are the biggest under achievers of the last 25 years considering the talent they have had at hand.

If this is trolling to you so be it but I see it more as discussion which is what this board is designed for.

Its base. And below you both (hence why its a troll and not a discussion). Not even the usual cast of blow ins who hate on the Packers are interested in talking about it, cos even they know its been done to death every year since 2015, and everyone knows its true. Packer fans don't argue it, its pointless.

As I said, its the equivalent of AC talking about DiPodesta and Stefanski throwing the ball. Not worth the discussion anymore.

I hadn't gone to winning superbowls, I'd started with the easier hurdle of winning the conference, but your data proves the precise opposite argument to the one you're advancing, were you really not capable of working that out? How do those numbers make out an argument that good quarterbacks don't win the Superbowl? You've got six out of thirty years on nowhere near HOF worthy. Twenty percent of the time is the majority?

For what it's worth: Aikmann and Warner are both already in the hall of fame. -

I'm not sure how you think that arguing that teams can make a superbowl with a bad quarterback will make a failure to do it with a hall of famer better, but please by all means try.

Your narrative is equating HOF QB play to playing in the Superbowl.

They've had like 30 years of back to back hall of famer quarterbacking, and have only really played in like three superbowls. Two generations of largely missed opportunities.

I point out, that more non-HOF QBs make the Superbowl, than HOF QBs, during that same time frame. Considering that is your entire point, I'd say its a pretty significant stat. So I'll further clarify it for you:

11 HOF QBs played in a Superbowl (or "won their conference") since 1992. *I even included those Aikman types with questionable HOF resume's to not confuse you
22 Non-HOF QBs played in a Superbowl (or "won their conference") since 1992.

That suggests, teams are half as likely to "win their conference" if they have a HOF QB.

Therefore, your narrative of HOF QB play leading to "winning the conference" is actually, horseshit.

 

[GG.exe]

I honestly like the guy's passion. He wants to win and he's invested in working toward his team succeeding.

The Chiefs have a great team, but they obviously like showing off and styling on their opponents and rubbing it in their faces. Which is fine too, but just remember, when you do it, you open yourself up to taunts.

It's why people laughed when Antoine Winfield gave Tyreek Hill the deuces during Super Bowl 55. Hill did that taunt a couple of times in their regular season match. Winfield had the last laugh.

Mike Ditka told the story of the when he was coaching the Bears and facing the 49ers. In 1984, the 49ers used lineman Guy McIntyre as a fullback, basically to rub it in to the Bears. In 1985, Ditka remembered what was done and put in Refridgerator Perry at fullback.

 

[GG.exe]

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yea, I said people would be pissed at that.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Its base. And below you both (hence why its a troll and not a discussion). Not even the usual cast of blow ins who hate on the Packers are interested in talking about it, cos even they know its been done to death every year since 2015, and everyone knows its true. Packer fans don't argue it, its pointless.

As I said, its the equivalent of AC talking about DiPodesta and Stefanski throwing the ball. Not worth the discussion anymore.


Your narrative is equating HOF QB play to playing in the Superbowl.



I point out, that more non-HOF QBs make the Superbowl, than HOF QBs, during that same time frame. Considering that is your entire point, I'd say its a pretty significant stat. So I'll further clarify it for you:

11 HOF QBs played in a Superbowl (or "won their conference") since 1992. *I even included those Aikman types with questionable HOF resume's to not confuse you
22 Non-HOF QBs played in a Superbowl (or "won their conference") since 1992.

That suggests, teams are half as likely to "win their conference" if they have a HOF QB.

Therefore, your narrative of HOF QB play leading to "winning the conference" is actually, horseshit.

Except, there were people interested in discussing it, and they did in fact discuss it. And if Packers fans have conceded it, why are you arguing against it?

The number of times when a quarterback with a hall of fame, or likely hall of fame, career played in the superbowl since 1991 years exceeds 35 times.

In fact, that a hall of famer plays in the game occurs far far far more frequently than that one does not. There are only three legitimate 'no hall of famer' match ups (provided that we're not attempting to count Burrow, who is on the right trajectory but has not had sufficient time to build a legacy).

One could argue certain inclusions- I do believe they will induct Eli (I don't know that I consider him deserving, but he beat Brady twice in the big dance and has the profile). Wilson might just be sucking his way out of the hall, but he has a resume that would otherwise press for it. Even if you excluded them, the examples overwhelmingly support me.

There are relatively obvious reasons why counting unique hall of fame quarterbacks to play in the superbowl is not insightful:

a. There are simply fewer of them. Even on your numbers it would suggest a substantial overrepresentation (i.e. that they almost all appear, and almost all appear on multiple occasions); and

b. The very argument that you were trying to rebut was about repeat visits, and yet your measure does not account for them.

It turns out that hall of fame quarterbacks do win conferences a lot.

Rodgers / Packers underachieved. Sorry.

1991	XXVI	Mark RypienMVP	Washington RedskinsN	Jim Kelly*	Buffalo BillsA
1992	XXVII	Troy Aikman*MVP	Dallas CowboysN	Jim Kelly*	Buffalo BillsA
1993	XXVIII	Troy Aikman*	Dallas CowboysN	Jim Kelly*	Buffalo BillsA
1994	XXIX	Steve Young*MVP	San Francisco 49ersN	Stan Humphries	San Diego ChargersA
1995	XXX	Troy Aikman*	Dallas CowboysN	Neil O'Donnell	Pittsburgh SteelersA
1996	XXXI	Brett Favre*	Green Bay PackersN	Drew Bledsoe	New England PatriotsA
1997	XXXII	John Elway*	Denver BroncosA	Brett Favre*	Green Bay PackersN
1998	XXXIII	John Elway*MVP	Denver BroncosA	Chris Chandler	Atlanta FalconsN
1999	XXXIV	Kurt Warner*MVP	St. Louis RamsN	Steve McNair	Tennessee TitansA
2000	XXXV	Trent Dilfer	Baltimore RavensA	Kerry Collins	New York GiantsN
2001	XXXVI	Tom Brady MVP	New England PatriotsA	Kurt Warner*	St. Louis RamsN
2002	XXXVII	Brad Johnson	Tampa Bay BuccaneersN	Rich Gannon	Oakland RaidersA
2003	XXXVIII	Tom Brady MVP	New England PatriotsA	Jake Delhomme	Carolina PanthersN
2004	XXXIX	Tom Brady	New England PatriotsA	Donovan McNabb	Philadelphia EaglesN
2005	XL	Ben Roethlisberger	Pittsburgh SteelersA	Matt Hasselbeck	Seattle SeahawksN
2006	XLI	Peyton Manning*MVP	Indianapolis ColtsA	Rex Grossman	Chicago BearsN
2007	XLII	Eli ManningMVP	New York GiantsN	Tom Brady	New England PatriotsA
2008	XLIII	Ben Roethlisberger	Pittsburgh SteelersA	Kurt Warner*	Arizona CardinalsN
2009	XLIV	Drew BreesMVP	New Orleans SaintsN	Peyton Manning*	Indianapolis ColtsA
2010	XLV	Aaron Rodgers MVP	Green Bay PackersN	Ben Roethlisberger	Pittsburgh SteelersA
2011	XLVI	Eli ManningMVP	New York GiantsN	Tom Brady	New England PatriotsA
2012	XLVII	Joe Flacco MVP	Baltimore RavensA	Colin Kaepernick	San Francisco 49ersN
2013	XLVIII	Russell Wilson	Seattle SeahawksN	Peyton Manning*	Denver BroncosA
2014	XLIX	Tom Brady MVP	New England PatriotsA	Russell Wilson	Seattle SeahawksN
2015	50	Peyton Manning*	Denver BroncosA	Cam Newton	Carolina PanthersN
2016	LI	Tom Brady MVP	New England PatriotsA	Matt Ryan	Atlanta FalconsN
2017	LII	Nick Foles MVP	Philadelphia EaglesN	Tom Brady	New England PatriotsA
2018	LIII	Tom Brady	New England PatriotsA	Jared Goff	Los Angeles RamsN
2019	LIV	Patrick Mahomes MVP	Kansas City ChiefsA	Jimmy Garoppolo	San Francisco 49ersN
2020	LV	Tom Brady MVP	Tampa Bay BuccaneersN	Patrick Mahomes	Kansas City ChiefsA
2021	LVI	Matthew Stafford	Los Angeles RamsN	Joe Burrow	Cincinnati BengalsA

 

[samFFC]

FYI, Bills abstained
So no the league wasn’t doing their whim. The others voted for it.

 

[samFFC]

Good on him for saying the truth