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FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 @ 10:15 AM
Miami at Cincinnati LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 12:30 AM
Minnesota vs New Orleans (at Tottenham) LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 4:00 AM
Buffalo at Baltimore LIVE
Chicago at New York Giants
Cleveland at Atlanta
Jacksonville at Philadelphia LIVE
Los Angeles Chargers at Houston
New York Jets at Pittsburgh
Seattle at Detroit
Tennessee at Indianapolis LIVE
Washington at Dallas

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:05 AM
Arizona at Carolina

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:25 AM
Denver at Las Vegas LIVE
New England at Green Bay LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 11:20 AM
Kansas City at Tampa Bay LIVE

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 4 @ 11:15 AM
Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 10.15 AM ON 30/9: Miami at Cincinnati
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.30 AM ON 3/10: Minnesota vs New Orleans (at Tottenham)
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Buffalo at Baltimore
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Tennessee at Indianapolis

LIVE ON 7MATE AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Jacksonville at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 7.25 AM ON 3/10: New England at Green Bay
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 7.25 AM ON 3/10: Denver at Las Vegas
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 11.20 AM ON 3/10: Kansas City at Tampa Bay
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 11.15 AM ON 4/10 : Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco


LIVE ON watchESPN AT 4:00 AM on 3/10: NFL RedZone

NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA, NT
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA
 

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FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 @ 10:15 AM
Miami at Cincinnati
AMZN: Al Michaels, Kirk Herbstreit, Kaylee Hartung


MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 12:30 AM
Minnesota vs New Orleans (at London)
NFLN: Kevin Kugler, Mark Sanchez, Laura Okmin, Stacy Dales


MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 4:00 AM
Buffalo at Baltimore
CBS: Ian Eagle, Charles Davis, Evan Washburn


Chicago at New York Giants
FOX: Joe Davis, Daryl Johnston, Pam Oliver

Cleveland at Atlanta
CBS: Beth Mowins, Tiki Barber

Jacksonville at Philadelphia
CBS: Spero Dedes, Jay Feely, Aditi Kinkhabwala


Los Angeles Chargers at Houston
CBS: Andrew Catalon, James Lofton, Amanda Renner

New York Jets at Pittsburgh
CBS: Greg Gumbel, Adam Archuleta, AJ Ross

Seattle at Detroit
FOX: Chris Myers, Robert Smith, Jennifer Hale

Tennessee at Indianapolis
FOX: Adam Amin, Mark Schlereth, Kristina Pink


Washington at Dallas
FOX: Kevin Burkhardt, Greg Olsen, Erin Andrews, Tom Rinaldi

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:05 AM
Arizona at Carolina
FOX: Kenny Albert, Jonathan Vilma, Shannon Spake

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:25 AM
Denver at Las Vegas
CBS: Kevin Harlan, Trent Green, Melanie Collins

New England at Green Bay
CBS: Jim Nantz, Tony Romo, Tracy Wolfson

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 11:20 AM
Kansas City at Tampa Bay
NBC: Mike Tirico, Cris Collinsworth, Melissa Stark


TUESDAY, OCTOBER 4 @ 11:15 AM
Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco

ESPN: Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Lisa Salters
ESPN2: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning
 
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QB Tiers

1: Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert
2: Stafford, Burrow, Prescott, Cousins, Watson*
3: Ryan, Murray, R.Wilson, Carr
4: Hurts, Wentz, Mayfield, Jackson, Winston
5: Tannehill, Tagovailoa, Mills, M.Jones, Lawrence, Trubisky, D.Jones, Z.Wilson, Goff, Fields, Lance
6: Mariota, Smith, Brissett


Entire Tier 3 have been really poor. Rodgers I haven’t included as last years MVP gets more time. Brady looks old, like Father Time has finally found him.

Falling:
Brady, Burrow, Cousins, Ryan, Murray, Wilson, Carr, Mayfield

Rising:
Hurtz, Jackson, Tagovailoa, Lawrence

AJ Brown (Hurtz) and Hill (Tua) are elite WRs. Without Hollywood Browns drops Jackson is throwing better than his MVP season. All 3 looking like franchise QB going forward. I haven’t watched Jags enough yet to comment on Lawrence.

Young QB benefit from throwing to elite WRs, who would have thought?
 

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Entire Tier 3 have been really poor. Rodgers I haven’t included as last years MVP gets more time. Brady looks old, like Father Time has finally found him.

Falling:
Brady, Burrow, Cousins, Ryan, Murray, Wilson, Carr, Mayfield

Rising:
Hurtz, Jackson, Tagovailoa, Lawrence

AJ Brown (Hurtz) and Hill (Tua) are elite WRs. Without Hollywood Browns drops Jackson is throwing better than his MVP season. All 3 looking like franchise QB going forward. I haven’t watched Jags enough yet to comment on Lawrence.

Young QB benefit from throwing to elite WRs, who would have thought?

Lawrence has looked amazing compared to last year, Doug has made all the difference, got Christian Kirk looking like money well spent and Zay Jones looking like a proper WR2 after not looking like a WR4 in any of his stops previously.
 

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Also, Hollywood was excellent yesterday, if it wasn't for him the Cards wouldnt have been able to move the ball at all.

Thats not to say Lamar hasnt been better/great coz he has, just dont act like Brown is garbage.

Hurts the big surprise, I had high hopes for the Eagles this year but didnt expect this kind of QB play over the first three weeks. Hes spreading the ball out well, different receivers putting up big numbers each week.
 

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Mayfield and Ryan might be bottom tiers. Horrendous the both of them.
 

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Lawrence has looked amazing compared to last year, Doug has made all the difference, got Christian Kirk looking like money well spent and Zay Jones looking like a proper WR2 after not looking like a WR4 in any of his stops previously.

coaching makes a huge difference in elite level sport.
 

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Also, Hollywood was excellent yesterday, if it wasn't for him the Cards wouldnt have been able to move the ball at all.

Thats not to say Lamar hasnt been better/great coz he has, just dont act like Brown is garbage.

Hurts the big surprise, I had high hopes for the Eagles this year but didnt expect this kind of QB play over the first three weeks. Hes spreading the ball out well, different receivers putting up big games each week.

Brown frequently dropped deep passes. AZ haven’t really targeted him deep. He is obviously better when throwing underneath and in space and not downfield. Which a surprise as his speed is his best weapon.
 

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Brown frequently dropped deep passes. AZ haven’t really targeted him deep. He is obviously better when throwing underneath and in space and not downfield. Which a surprise as his speed is his best weapon.

Took a massive contested catch deep the other week vs the Raiders. Murray targeted him a few times deep yesterday, should have had a TD on one but over threw him by a couple of yards.
 

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1: Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert
2: Stafford, Burrow, Prescott, Cousins, Watson*
3: Murray, Hurts, Jackson, Carr
4: Ryan, Lawrence, Tagovailoa, R.Wilson, Goff
5. Mariota, Z Wilson*, Winston, Wentz, D.Jones
6. Mayfield, Tannehill, M.Jones, Mills, Lance*, Brissett, Smith
7. Fields, Garoppolo, Flacco
 

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Liking what i see from Lamar so far, determined to be considered a pocket passer, and has shown that. Still, he lacks touch at times for a variety of throws, and isnt getting ball to wide receivers, mostly over the middle stuff. Gotta elevate to fling it all day no fear to the boundaries
 

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Liking what i see from Lamar so far, determined to be considered a pocket passer, and has shown that. Still, he lacks touch at times for a variety of throws, and isnt getting ball to wide receivers, mostly over the middle stuff. Gotta elevate to fling it all day no fear to the boundaries

Who is he throwing it to?
Andrews (AllPro TE)
Bateman (second year player)
Duvenay (third year player)
Likely (rookie TE)

None of these WR are elite. None. Compare that to who other QBs are throwing to….

DC play Jackson differently. The outside CB play zone, a safety plays underneath zone and are watching Jackson to see if he is running out of the pocket. This causes less short and intermediate throws to be unavailable. Jackson YPA is this higher than most and his TD% is higher than all. More completions, more likely to be TD and less attempts. This is what the DC give him. He can’t dink and dunk, as the underneath players are ready for that. They are all watching him in case he runs off and makes them look silly with his duke move.

Touch passes are more useful underneath but he has become much better with midrange touch passes of late. Allowing more crossing patterns to be open.

Your determination to class him as a pocket QB, when DC don’t allow him to play as a pocket QB; isn’t a level playing field.

Lamar has to play Lamar ball. He is forced to throw deep; to tall targets; OR he runs the ball when DCs double cover Andrews and Bateman.

IF you change your pocket QB rankings to Playmaker rankings, as the QB is the playmaker; that would make more sense to me.
 

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Who is he throwing it to?
Andrews (AllPro TE)
Bateman (second year player)
Duvenay (third year player)
Likely (rookie TE)

None of these WR are elite. None. Compare that to who other QBs are throwing to….

DC play Jackson differently. The outside CB play zone, a safety plays underneath zone and are watching Jackson to see if he is running out of the pocket. This causes less short and intermediate throws to be unavailable. Jackson YPA is this higher than most and his TD% is higher than all. More completions, more likely to be TD and less attempts. This is what the DC give him. He can’t dink and dunk, as the underneath players are ready for that. They are all watching him in case he runs off and makes them look silly with his duke move.

Touch passes are more useful underneath but he has become much better with midrange touch passes of late. Allowing more crossing patterns to be open.

Your determination to class him as a pocket QB, when DC don’t allow him to play as a pocket QB; isn’t a level playing field.

Lamar has to play Lamar ball. He is forced to throw deep; to tall targets; OR he runs the ball when DCs double cover Andrews and Bateman.

IF you change your pocket QB rankings to Playmaker rankings, as the QB is the playmaker; that would make more sense to me.
He had Brown last year and didn't get more out of him like kyler can. Bateman and duvernay are fine young players. Top qbs get young guys the ball still like Kyler to Dortch, Wibston to Olave, Flacco to Wilson, D.Jones and Rush to their young third stringers etc.

Top wrs certainly help too, like Tua made to look better with Waddle and Hill.

Lamar is greatly improved tho, be happy I'm acknowledging his development and moved him up a tier or two, hes on an incline in the rankings.

Once Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan retire he'll be one of the top QBs at his rate of rise.

Its QB not playmaker rankings. QB in terms of pure passing impressions
 

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1: Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert
2: Stafford, Burrow, Prescott, Cousins, Watson*
3: Murray, Hurts, Jackson, Carr
4: Ryan, Lawrence, Tagovailoa, R.Wilson, Goff
5. Mariota, Z Wilson*, Winston, Wentz, D.Jones
6. Mayfield, Tannehill, M.Jones, Mills, Lance*, Brissett, Smith
7. Fields, Garoppolo, Flacco
Wentz should be 6 or 7. He was deplorable against us.

I miss good Carson. What a flash in the pan that was.
 

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Wentz should be 6 or 7. He was deplorable against us.

I miss good Carson. What a flash in the pan that was.

He wasn't that bad over the first two weeks. Oline could block for s**t for him yesterday. Every time I looked up the Washington interior was getting their ass kicked, every QB would struggle with that sort of pressure.
 

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He wasn't that bad over the first two weeks. Oline could block for s**t for him yesterday. Every time I looked up the Washington interior was getting their ass kicked, every QB would struggle with that sort of pressure.
That’s always been his problem though. Once he’s rattled, he completely shits the bed.

He missed 3 consecutive check down passes to open receivers yesterday in the 2nd quarter.

There’s absolutely no doubt the OLine sucked yesterday though.
 

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Damn it ESPN. i just spat out some coffee because the week 4 ad made me laugh.

Agholor looks to lift the Pats past Rodgers and the Packers.

Do the Pats have no one else worth name dropping in a ad?
 

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Damn it ESPN. i just spat out some coffee because the week 4 ad made me laugh.

Agholor looks to lift the Pats past Rodgers and the Packers.

Do the Pats have no one else worth name dropping in a ad?

nek minnut, Nelson goes for 200 yards vs GB with Hoyer.

Please make it happen. :praying:
 

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nek minnut, Nelson goes for 200 yards vs GB with Hoyer.

Please make it happen. :praying:
It will either be that or he drops everything his way with a couple of tips and at least one leading to a pick.
 

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