Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

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Kidding, right?
I wonder to what degree the value of sport these days is more to do with the consequences of not having it. Are TV networks paying beyond reasonable value because the consequences of a lack of sport outway the consequences of over paying for sport.

On the other hand, the value of a product is based on what people are willing to pay, irrespective of their reasons for paying, so whatever they pay, thats the fair market value.
Yes even a truly free market can’t fully take opportunity cost into account. There is always an element of fortune telling involved in trying to calculate opportunity cost.
 
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I wonder to what degree the value of sport these days is more to do with the consequences of not having it. Are TV networks paying beyond reasonable value because the consequences of a lack of sport outway the consequences of over paying for sport.

On the other hand, the value of a product is based on what people are willing to pay, irrespective of their reasons for paying, so whatever they pay, thats the fair market value.

Are networks over paying (full stop)?
In the case of the commercial interests, the market is tested every time the rights are renewed, & that decision is measured by the Financials year on year.

Perhaps the BBL is the best example of the life of a sports product.
 

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Everyone else beside RED4VX knew what you meant - it was obvious. RED likes to read one post and argue against it without any consideration of the context of what was said before. Best to ignore like everyone else does.
RED makes claims, but can't back them up with independent links
 

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It's an interesting juncture for Saint Peter.
Over decades, the AFL has successfully been able to siphon funding away from accelerating player salaries to the broader football economy.
But...in doing so, they created an opportunity for HQ to siphon off money for their own personal gains in the way of executive salaries and bonuses, that are way, way out of whack with what footy's superstars are earning.
Hard to imagine that can remain the case for too long, and in one sense, COVID assisted with a small correction to that trend.
In the NRL's case, they have a history of pissing any surplus cash up the wall, so Saint Peter will be hoping to use his dictatorial powers to turn that around.
But given the NRL spends bugger all on grassroots league and development, the clubs and players are not going to stand for ever increasing cash surpluses that they would view as belonging in their back pocket.
 

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Over decades, the AFL has successfully been able to siphon funding away from accelerating player salaries to the broader football economy.

"Siphon" is an emotive word. The AFL makes decisions and carves up the revenue pie.
IMO, the distribution should be more percentage based with percentage funding set for players, clubs, local football, development, savings and overseas football etc
 
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But...in doing so, they created an opportunity for HQ to siphon off money for their own personal gains in the way of executive salaries and bonuses, that are way, way out of whack with what footy's superstars are earning.

But not way, way out of whack for the size of the business they are operating. You can pay people less, but sometimes that means you get crap candidates. Theres a reason the AFL has got to the point it has and continues to sit on top. Im not saying all the wages are justified but the market for good sporting execs in aus is pretty tight.
 
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"Siphon" is an emotive word. The AFL makes decisions and carves up the revenue pie.
IMO, the distribution should be more percentage based with percentage funding set for players, clubs, local football, development, savings and overseas football etc

Player wages are set on percentages - currently about 27%, although this doesnt include some club and league revenues that were excluded during the negotations for the last CBA. The AFL has committed to spending 10% on development and grassroots.
 
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But not way, way out of whack for the size of the business they are operating. You can pay people less, but sometimes that means you get crap candidates. Theres a reason the AFL has got to the point it has and continues to sit on top. Im not saying all the wages are justified but the market for good sporting execs in aus is pretty tight.
Yes, but how much in bonuses do you deserve for shooting fish in a barrell?
 
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It sort of is easy.
With sport, once a sport is extremely popular, it's almost impossible to drive down its popularity.
You have to try really, really hard to achieve that, and even then, despite the best efforts of the most incompetent administrators, it's almost impossible to drive down popularity.
So in that context, to get massive bonuses normally reserved for merchant bankers, for an activity that has 150 years of immense societal popularity behind it really is akin to shooting fish in a barrell.
 
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It sort of is easy.
With sport, once a sport is extremely popular, it's almost impossible to drive down its popularity.
You have to try really, really hard to achieve that, and even then, despite the best efforts of the most incompetent administrators, it's almost impossible to drive down popularity.
So in that context, to get massive bonuses normally reserved for merchant bankers, for an activity that has 150 years of immense societal popularity behind it really is akin to shooting fish in a barrell.

At club level administrators often battle compared to each other.

The AFL is the best resourced of our sports courtesy of those administrators that went before them.
 
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