Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

[Kwality]

Looks like the writing might be on the wall for the struggling ODI format with another half full crowd against England today at the SCG must be a big worry for CA and no FTA TV is also a problem if they want to spark some interest in these matches.!

7s CEO James Warburton has ODI's in the gun:
'As the cricket season gets underway with WBBL now and then BBL and Test Cricket to follow in December, Warburton noted the legal stand-off continues with Seven wanting to cancel its TV rights deal. A legal challenge Cricket Australia calls an unwarranted action, which will be strenuously defended.

Since Seven started being vocal about improving the white ball game, the season fixtures have been tweaked, there is now an international draft while more international Australian cricketers are having the chance to play in the Big Bash.

When asked about bidding for cricket when the renewal comes up, Warburton said Seven likes Tests and he noted with Foxtel the audience for Test Cricket has grown substantially. Despite the fractured relationship with cricket authorities, Warburton said: “We’ve been getting on with it. It was a great outcome last year, we’ll get on with it. But you know, [Cricket Australia has] been a very difficult organisation to deal with.”

Seven Upfront: James Warburton on strategy, sport, streaming

The Sydney Seven Upfront 2023 started with short intros from Seven execs in various Hoyts cinemas before screening a Seven movie.

www.mediaweek.com.au

 

[weewilly]

Oh dear only 15,000 at the SCG for the ODI match today and that looks inflated!

It will be interesting to see if they get the same at the MCG next Tuesday.Surely these have to be some of the worst ODI crowds against England in Australia in ODI history?

 

[Teen Wolf]

Surely these have to be some of the worst ODI crowds against England in Australia in ODI history?

No they're about on par with the VB Series crowds of 1954-55 which coincidentally also took place in mid-November immediately after the T20 World Cup.

 

[Milang_Panthers]

Considering how little promotion these games get 15k is a good crowd.
No FTA coverage is the big killer I reckon.

 

[Kwality]

No they're about on par with the VB Series crowds of 1954-55 which coincidentally also took place in mid-November immediately after the T20 World Cup.

54/55 ?

 

[The_Wookie]

Round 7 of the 2022-23 NBL was attended by 46,727 people at an average of 6,675 per game (69% capacity) The 2022-23 season to date has been attended by 315,794 people at ana verage of 6,192 per game (65% capacity). Attendances are up 11% by rounds and 29% by matches played

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
NBL	7	Thu	17/11	1930	Melb United	Adelaide	John Cain Arena	5,100	10,300	49.51%
NBL	7	Thu	17/11	2130	Perth	SE Melbourne	RAC Arena	9,988	14,500	68.88%
NBL	7	Fri	18/11	1930	Tasmania	New Zealand	MyState Bank Arena	3,122	4,800	65.04%
NBL	7	Sat	19/11	1730	SE Melbourne	Melb United	John Cain Arena	10,175	10,300	98.79%
NBL	7	Sat	19/11	2000	Brisbane	Cairns	Nissan arena	4,401	5,000	88.02%
NBL	7	Sun	20/11	1400	New Zealand	Adelaide	The Trusts Arena	2,909	4,901	59.36%
NBL	7	Sun	20/11	1600	Sydney	Illawarra	Qudos Bank Arena	11,032	17,471	63.14%
							Total	46,727	67,272	69.46%
							Average	6,675
							Season Total	315,794	486,829	64.87%
							Season Average	6,192
							Increase/Decrease on 2021/22	11.25%	7 rounds	(5,526 in 2021)
							Increase/Decrease on 2021/22	29.24%	44 matches	(4,791 in 2021)

 

[The_Wookie]

Round 3 of the 2022-23 WNBL season was attended by 5,246 at an average of 1,312 per game (28% capacity). The 2022-23 WNBL season has been attended by 17,866 people at an average of 1,276 per match (34% capacity)

Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
WNBL	3	Wed	16/11	1730	Towsville	Southside	Townsville Entertanment Centre	1,247	5,257	23.72%
WNBL	3	Wed	16/11	1830	Perth	Flames	Bendat Basketball Centre	510	2,000	25.50%
WNBL	3	Sat	19/11	1900	Adelaide	Sydney	Adelaide Arena	920	8,000	11.50%
WNBL	3	Sun	20/11	1500	Melbourne	Canberra	Melbourne Sports Centre - Parkville	2,569	3,500	73.40%
							Total	5,246	18,757	27.97%
							Average	1,312
							Season Total	17,866	52,871	33.79%
							Season Average	1,276

 

[Rob]

Using evictions as a like for like comparison is bullshit. Someone throws a flare at an afl game they almost certainly get kicked out. At an A League game whoever it is gets protected by their ultra wannabe mates and get hidden by the mob. Security isn't going to evict someone by barging into a group of hundreds of people that will disrupt them doing their job.

 

[Angus Young]

It´s amazing the downfall of cricket in this country. When I was growing up one day cricket was everything. Grounds always packed out and everyone else watching on tv.

 

[Milang_Panthers]

Yeah even as a kid in the early 2000s I used to go to Adelaide Oval for some packed out crowds for ING cup 50 over matches.

 

[Interceptor]

About 67k for the Rugby League Cup Finals (women & men) at Old Trafford (capacity 74,310) on Saturday.
I was there and to the surprise of no one the vast majority were Poms, not backing Australia.

Massive crowd noise when Somoa scored.
Old Trafford is a fairly impressive ground, although somewhat antiquated.
Lights are obviously set for soccer as high kicks in the rugby kinda disappear into darkness.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The_Wookie]

2022-2023 Aleague Womens Season
Code	Week	Day	Date	Time	Home	Away	Venue	Crowd	Capacity	%Capacity
ALW	1	Sat	19/11	1430	western United	Melb Victory	City Vista Rec Reserve	2,753	3,000	91.77%
ALW	1	Sat	19/11	1430	Canberra	Perth	McKellar Park	1,263	3,000	42.10%
ALW	1	Sat	19/11	1430	Brisbane	Newcastle	Perry Park	1,327	5,000	26.54%
ALW	1	Sun	20/11	1300	Wellington	Melb City	Sky Stadium	5,213	34,500	15.11%
ALW	1	Sun	20/11	1600	Adelaide	Sydney FC	Service FM Stadium	1,089	7,000	15.56%
							Total	11,645	52,500	22.18%
							Average	2,329

 

[Kwality]

It´s amazing the downfall of cricket in this country. When I was growing up one day cricket was everything. Grounds always packed out and everyone else watching on tv.

Was it just being played on weekends ?
Were games from around the World on TV 7 days a week?

 

[Rob]

Yeah even as a kid in the early 2000s I used to go to Adelaide Oval for some packed out crowds for ING cup 50 over matches.

Packed out is stretching the truth a little bit, but there used to be credible crowds at the domestic one dayers. 8-10k on a good day.

FWIW I think CA are paying for treating T20 like a joke for so long. When you call the league the "Big bash league" you're saying it's all about entertainment and not the sport. Suddenly a world cup comes along and now you're telling us it's serious sport?

 

[RedV3x]

When you call the league the "Big bash league" you're saying it's all about entertainment and not the sport. Suddenly a world cup comes along and now you're telling us it's serious sport?

I've always wondered about the repercussions of that naming.

 

[Angus Young]

Was it just being played on weekends ?
Were games from around the World on TV 7 days a week?

Fair points and things to consider.
But yeah a lot of one dayers were during the week. I remember coming home from school glued to the telly to watch the last 10 overs of the first innings etc.

I still maintain it just isn't the same religion as it was... I know that is for me. But I also believe it´s Australia over.

Even kids playing backyard cricket and cricket in the streets. Was everywhere in my neighbourhood. Now i never see it.
But I get it. Computers and social media.

 

[BobbyMorri]

I think there is just too much cricket nowadays.

Back in the 90's, you used to have a test series or 2 and then the Tri-Series. You had big names like Waugh, Warne etc. And it seemed a good mixture of teams. The domestic scene was small but it was on TV with Richie and co and still meaningful.

There was no reason to have that ODI Series just then. no reason whatsoever. We played England in England not so long ago and the Ashes last year. it was a money grub without the money.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Comparing one example from each code is hardly scientific.

As always, everyone falls back to personal experience. In my case, I've never been to an A-League game, so I can't comment, but I've been to hundreds of Swans and Giants games with my kids (and my elderly parents when they were still alive), and I've never seen anything that troubled me.

My instinct, though, is that a game without very much cathartic release via the scoring of goals (and the subsequent staging that inevitably flows on from that difficulty of goal scoring), a game without much cathartic release in the form of on-field contact, is, how shall we say this... maybe going to lead spectators to think up other forms of diversion for themselves.

that is just crap.

Basketball has more "goal" scoring than Aussie Rules and yet that can easily kick off given the right environment(Malice at the Palace, Phillippines). Baseball would be one of the least "cathartic" and "goal" scoring sports and yet, but with your reasoning, that would be having consistent brawls.

Idiots will be idiots. If someone wants to fight, they will, REGARDLESS of the sport.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

that is just crap.

Basketball has more "goal" scoring than Aussie Rules and yet that can easily kick off given the right environment(Malice at the Palace, Phillippines). Baseball would be one of the least "cathartic" and "goal" scoring sports and yet, but with your reasoning, that would be having consistent brawls.

Idiots will be idiots. If someone wants to fight, they will, REGARDLESS of the sport.

I’m not in a position to give a scientific reply but I can’t say your post is very scientific either. There are a huge range of variables to consider.

No-one can credibly say basketball has the same level of ongoing issues with crowd violence as soccer does. One swallow does not a summer make.

 

[Milang_Panthers]

10,406 at the G yesterday apparently

 

[Aussie in exile]

England set new world records for runs scored in one day is a test match

Four centuries and a world record: England blow away Test traditions

England stamped their aggressive brand of Test cricket on their first match in Pakistan in 17 years by amassing a world record 4-506 with four batters smashing hundreds.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Kwality]

Sydney Kings:
'Australian basketball legend Luc Longley has clinched a deal to become a part-owner of the Sydney Kings, making a commercial return to the league two decades after an ill-fated stint in charge at the Perth Wildcats.'


'The Kings, the defending National Basketball League champions, already have Tesla chair Robyn Denholm, sports business entrepreneur Paul Smith and former NBA champion Andrew Bogut in its ownership ranks, with Longley joining them after three years in an advisory role.'

'The Kings, who attract crowds of 11,000 to home games and have annual revenues of about $10m, are undertaking a joint venture with AFL club Sydney Swans at Moore Park, building indoor training and outdoor community basketball courts styled like New York’s Rucker Park.'

'Longley says his main lesson from Perth, where the Wildcats did at least win the NBL title in 2000, was “to stay in my lane, do the things I’m good at and not try to do the things I’m not good at”.

“When you’re a young, successful athlete the trap is to think you’re good at everything. I’ve seen a lot of peers lose money doing things that are outside their skillset because they’re confident and they’d got money.

“So in this case, it‘s going to be more fun because I’ll be aligned with people who do have those skills and I can do the things that I’m good at. And that’s probably the biggest lesson from that.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/leadership/luc-longley-back-as-a-partowner-of-nbl-champions-sydney-kings-as-basketball-thrives-in-australia/news-story/bdb7aae7b70a04e1395f55584b70ea6a

 

[manicmagpie]

'Longley says his main lesson from Perth, where the Wildcats did at least win the NBL title in 2000, was “to stay in my lane, do the things I’m good at and not try to do the things I’m not good at”.

“When you’re a young, successful athlete the trap is to think you’re good at everything. I’ve seen a lot of peers lose money doing things that are outside their skillset because they’re confident and they’d got money.

Someone really, really needs to tell Luc’s fellow owner Andrew Bogut this.

 

[dave10]

How’s cricket going!?