Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

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Kwality

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Looks like the writing might be on the wall for the struggling ODI format with another half full crowd against England today at the SCG must be a big worry for CA and no FTA TV is also a problem if they want to spark some interest in these matches.!
7s CEO James Warburton has ODI's in the gun:
'As the cricket season gets underway with WBBL now and then BBL and Test Cricket to follow in December, Warburton noted the legal stand-off continues with Seven wanting to cancel its TV rights deal. A legal challenge Cricket Australia calls an unwarranted action, which will be strenuously defended.

Since Seven started being vocal about improving the white ball game, the season fixtures have been tweaked, there is now an international draft while more international Australian cricketers are having the chance to play in the Big Bash.

When asked about bidding for cricket when the renewal comes up, Warburton said Seven likes Tests and he noted with Foxtel the audience for Test Cricket has grown substantially. Despite the fractured relationship with cricket authorities, Warburton said: “We’ve been getting on with it. It was a great outcome last year, we’ll get on with it. But you know, [Cricket Australia has] been a very difficult organisation to deal with.”

 

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Oh dear only 15,000 at the SCG for the ODI match today and that looks inflated!

It will be interesting to see if they get the same at the MCG next Tuesday.Surely these have to be some of the worst ODI crowds against England in Australia in ODI history?
 

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Surely these have to be some of the worst ODI crowds against England in Australia in ODI history?
No they're about on par with the VB Series crowds of 1954-55 which coincidentally also took place in mid-November immediately after the T20 World Cup.
 

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The_Wookie

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Round 7 of the 2022-23 NBL was attended by 46,727 people at an average of 6,675 per game (69% capacity) The 2022-23 season to date has been attended by 315,794 people at ana verage of 6,192 per game (65% capacity). Attendances are up 11% by rounds and 29% by matches played

CodeWeekDayDateTimeHomeAwayVenueCrowdCapacity%Capacity
NBL7Thu17/111930Melb UnitedAdelaideJohn Cain Arena5,10010,30049.51%
NBL7Thu17/112130PerthSE MelbourneRAC Arena9,98814,50068.88%
NBL7Fri18/111930TasmaniaNew ZealandMyState Bank Arena3,1224,80065.04%
NBL7Sat19/111730SE MelbourneMelb UnitedJohn Cain Arena10,17510,30098.79%
NBL7Sat19/112000BrisbaneCairnsNissan arena4,4015,00088.02%
NBL7Sun20/111400New ZealandAdelaideThe Trusts Arena2,9094,90159.36%
NBL7Sun20/111600SydneyIllawarraQudos Bank Arena11,03217,47163.14%
Total46,72767,27269.46%
Average6,675
Season Total315,794486,82964.87%
Season Average6,192
Increase/Decrease on 2021/2211.25%7 rounds(5,526 in 2021)
Increase/Decrease on 2021/2229.24%44 matches(4,791 in 2021)
 

The_Wookie

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Round 3 of the 2022-23 WNBL season was attended by 5,246 at an average of 1,312 per game (28% capacity). The 2022-23 WNBL season has been attended by 17,866 people at an average of 1,276 per match (34% capacity)

CodeWeekDayDateTimeHomeAwayVenueCrowdCapacity%Capacity
WNBL3Wed16/111730TowsvilleSouthsideTownsville Entertanment Centre1,2475,25723.72%
WNBL3Wed16/111830PerthFlamesBendat Basketball Centre5102,00025.50%
WNBL3Sat19/111900AdelaideSydneyAdelaide Arena9208,00011.50%
WNBL3Sun20/111500MelbourneCanberraMelbourne Sports Centre - Parkville2,5693,50073.40%
Total5,24618,75727.97%
Average1,312
Season Total17,86652,87133.79%
Season Average1,276
 

Rob

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Using evictions as a like for like comparison is bullshit. Someone throws a flare at an afl game they almost certainly get kicked out. At an A League game whoever it is gets protected by their ultra wannabe mates and get hidden by the mob. Security isn't going to evict someone by barging into a group of hundreds of people that will disrupt them doing their job.
 

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It´s amazing the downfall of cricket in this country. When I was growing up one day cricket was everything. Grounds always packed out and everyone else watching on tv.
 

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Yeah even as a kid in the early 2000s I used to go to Adelaide Oval for some packed out crowds for ING cup 50 over matches.
 

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About 67k for the Rugby League Cup Finals (women & men) at Old Trafford (capacity 74,310) on Saturday.
I was there and to the surprise of no one the vast majority were Poms, not backing Australia.

Massive crowd noise when Somoa scored.
Old Trafford is a fairly impressive ground, although somewhat antiquated.
Lights are obviously set for soccer as high kicks in the rugby kinda disappear into darkness.
 

The_Wookie

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2022-2023 Aleague Womens Season
CodeWeekDayDateTimeHomeAwayVenueCrowdCapacity%Capacity
ALW1Sat19/111430western UnitedMelb VictoryCity Vista Rec Reserve2,7533,00091.77%
ALW1Sat19/111430CanberraPerthMcKellar Park1,2633,00042.10%
ALW1Sat19/111430BrisbaneNewcastlePerry Park1,3275,00026.54%
ALW1Sun20/111300WellingtonMelb CitySky Stadium5,21334,50015.11%
ALW1Sun20/111600AdelaideSydney FCService FM Stadium1,0897,00015.56%
Total11,64552,50022.18%
Average2,329
 

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Kwality

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It´s amazing the downfall of cricket in this country. When I was growing up one day cricket was everything. Grounds always packed out and everyone else watching on tv.
Was it just being played on weekends ?
Were games from around the World on TV 7 days a week?
 

Rob

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Yeah even as a kid in the early 2000s I used to go to Adelaide Oval for some packed out crowds for ING cup 50 over matches.
Packed out is stretching the truth a little bit, but there used to be credible crowds at the domestic one dayers. 8-10k on a good day.

FWIW I think CA are paying for treating T20 like a joke for so long. When you call the league the "Big bash league" you're saying it's all about entertainment and not the sport. Suddenly a world cup comes along and now you're telling us it's serious sport?
 

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When you call the league the "Big bash league" you're saying it's all about entertainment and not the sport. Suddenly a world cup comes along and now you're telling us it's serious sport?

I've always wondered about the repercussions of that naming.
 

Angus Young

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Was it just being played on weekends ?
Were games from around the World on TV 7 days a week?

Fair points and things to consider.
But yeah a lot of one dayers were during the week. I remember coming home from school glued to the telly to watch the last 10 overs of the first innings etc.

I still maintain it just isn't the same religion as it was... I know that is for me. But I also believe it´s Australia over.

Even kids playing backyard cricket and cricket in the streets. Was everywhere in my neighbourhood. Now i never see it.
But I get it. Computers and social media.
 

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I think there is just too much cricket nowadays.

Back in the 90's, you used to have a test series or 2 and then the Tri-Series. You had big names like Waugh, Warne etc. And it seemed a good mixture of teams. The domestic scene was small but it was on TV with Richie and co and still meaningful.

There was no reason to have that ODI Series just then. no reason whatsoever. We played England in England not so long ago and the Ashes last year. it was a money grub without the money.
 

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Comparing one example from each code is hardly scientific.

As always, everyone falls back to personal experience. In my case, I've never been to an A-League game, so I can't comment, but I've been to hundreds of Swans and Giants games with my kids (and my elderly parents when they were still alive), and I've never seen anything that troubled me.

My instinct, though, is that a game without very much cathartic release via the scoring of goals (and the subsequent staging that inevitably flows on from that difficulty of goal scoring), a game without much cathartic release in the form of on-field contact, is, how shall we say this... maybe going to lead spectators to think up other forms of diversion for themselves.
that is just crap.

Basketball has more "goal" scoring than Aussie Rules and yet that can easily kick off given the right environment(Malice at the Palace, Phillippines). Baseball would be one of the least "cathartic" and "goal" scoring sports and yet, but with your reasoning, that would be having consistent brawls.

Idiots will be idiots. If someone wants to fight, they will, REGARDLESS of the sport.
 

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Kidding, right?
that is just crap.

Basketball has more "goal" scoring than Aussie Rules and yet that can easily kick off given the right environment(Malice at the Palace, Phillippines). Baseball would be one of the least "cathartic" and "goal" scoring sports and yet, but with your reasoning, that would be having consistent brawls.

Idiots will be idiots. If someone wants to fight, they will, REGARDLESS of the sport.
I’m not in a position to give a scientific reply but I can’t say your post is very scientific either. There are a huge range of variables to consider.

No-one can credibly say basketball has the same level of ongoing issues with crowd violence as soccer does. One swallow does not a summer make.
 

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Sydney Kings:
'Australian basketball legend Luc Longley has clinched a deal to become a part-owner of the Sydney Kings, making a commercial return to the league two decades after an ill-fated stint in charge at the Perth Wildcats.'


'The Kings, the defending National Basketball League champions, already have Tesla chair Robyn Denholm, sports business entrepreneur Paul Smith and former NBA champion Andrew Bogut in its ownership ranks, with Longley joining them after three years in an advisory role.'

'The Kings, who attract crowds of 11,000 to home games and have annual revenues of about $10m, are undertaking a joint venture with AFL club Sydney Swans at Moore Park, building indoor training and outdoor community basketball courts styled like New York’s Rucker Park.'

'Longley says his main lesson from Perth, where the Wildcats did at least win the NBL title in 2000, was “to stay in my lane, do the things I’m good at and not try to do the things I’m not good at”.

“When you’re a young, successful athlete the trap is to think you’re good at everything. I’ve seen a lot of peers lose money doing things that are outside their skillset because they’re confident and they’d got money.

“So in this case, it‘s going to be more fun because I’ll be aligned with people who do have those skills and I can do the things that I’m good at. And that’s probably the biggest lesson from that.”

 

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'Longley says his main lesson from Perth, where the Wildcats did at least win the NBL title in 2000, was “to stay in my lane, do the things I’m good at and not try to do the things I’m not good at”.

“When you’re a young, successful athlete the trap is to think you’re good at everything. I’ve seen a lot of peers lose money doing things that are outside their skillset because they’re confident and they’d got money.

Someone really, really needs to tell Luc’s fellow owner Andrew Bogut this.
 

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How’s cricket going!?

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