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It's as if some of you have amnesia or something. Seems like you're beguiled by high draft picks and forgotten they're fairly meaningless when the solid base isn't there to build around, like we've already seen with Geelong, West Coast etc.

Winners:
Hawthorn - by a mile like wtf?
West Coast - Ella Roberts with no way of losing the top "live" pick 9
Port Adelaide - guaranteed Hannah Ewings, plus the first five in the SA pool yes please
Hawthorn and PA will be uncompetitive and consequently most of the top kids they draft next month will leave after two years.

Losers:
Sydney - Not being able to trade their first five picks :(
Adelaide - lost the best player in the game's short history, still lose their first rounder
Bulldogs - I know they weren't giving compensation but geez you don't have to be dead to be stiff
If any good player wants to go to Sydney, they just have to nominate for the NSW draft and the Swans can easily take them.

Not sure why we're worrying about the Bulldogs when they didn't lose half the quality to expansion that Carlton lost.
 

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So the Saints win just five matches in two years, then lose their expansion signing to the latest expansion team (what a waste of time that was).... and so their 3rd rounder was upgraded to pick 28... that's it??

Meanwhile, Hawthorn has greased some palms and received four of the first six picks in Victoria. What did the Saints receive in 2019 when they entered, two of the first seven, and that was when there were less teams!

Absolute disgrace.

And it's not all about Vic picks either, Rowbottom screwed us last season by heading to the Suns. Shafted. Then the Cats got extra picks at 7 and 9, but the Saints at 25. This year the Eagles get an extra pick at 14, but Saints just a pick move to 28. WTF are these people smoking??

The AFL have signed-off on gifting benefits to new clubs (pretty much just Hawthorn) and their new supporters, over the cost of losing current supporters. It works out better for the AFL, that's all that matters, they don't care about clubs like St Kilda and their fans... they will bury us.
 

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It's as if some of you have amnesia or something. Seems like you're beguiled by high draft picks and forgotten they're fairly meaningless when the solid base isn't there to build around, like we've already seen with Geelong, West Coast etc.


Hawthorn and PA will be uncompetitive and consequently most of the top kids they draft next month will leave after two years.


If any good player wants to go to Sydney, they just have to nominate for the NSW draft and the Swans can easily take them.

Not sure why we're worrying about the Bulldogs when they didn't lose half the quality to expansion that Carlton lost.

Firstly, it's in regards to the draft order, ie. these teams are the big winners/losers in regards to the draft order, so don't know why you're suggesting I'm saying that having a good draft hand means these teams will be the contenders or something.

Hawks and Port though disagree. Hawks will be fine with those picks, they get to scoop up four readymade Vic kids who will step straight into a lineup, potentially Ham/Baskaran/Fleming/Clarke/Eardley/Goldsworthy (Bombers will take a couple). Port in a couple of years will be huge, not expecting them to be massive year one, but next year, they'll be fine. Lauren Young and Shineah Goody on top of Hannah Ewings, the SA talent pool is ridiculously strong (2023-24 SA pool draft) and by 2025 I expect they'll be among the better sides.

"If any good player wants to go to Sydney"... that's a massive If. Based on their signings compared to the other clubs, they haven't exactly pulled a lot of great players. I personally hope players do want to go there, but as it stands, the high picks in the NSW-ACT pool mean very little compare to the Hawks plethora of picks.

No one is also saying West Coast will suddenly be competitive, the reason Biggie and I were saying West Coast were big winners was the guarantee Ella Roberts comes along who could easily be a Top 20 pick day one. She's better than Prespakis was as a junior to give a comparison.

Bulldogs lost Huntington/Toogood/Lochland compared to Prespakis/Gee (soon to be Egan). Though Prespakis is an elite player and Gee is outstanding, tall forwards (especially dual KPP) don't grow on trees, they also copped it last expansion too. I think Carlton have been stiffed too, but Dogs are worse off long-term.
 

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Firstly, it's in regards to the draft order, ie. these teams are the big winners/losers in regards to the draft order, so don't know why you're suggesting I'm saying that having a good draft hand means these teams will be the contenders or something.

Hawks and Port though disagree. Hawks will be fine with those picks, they get to scoop up four readymade Vic kids who will step straight into a lineup, potentially Ham/Baskaran/Fleming/Clarke/Eardley/Goldsworthy (Bombers will take a couple). Port in a couple of years will be huge, not expecting them to be massive year one, but next year, they'll be fine. Lauren Young and Shineah Goody on top of Hannah Ewings, the SA talent pool is ridiculously strong (2023-24 SA pool draft) and by 2025 I expect they'll be among the better sides.
But you are talking as if player retention is a given, when the reality is a team with a bunch of high draft picks and insufficient support around them is a curse and not a blessing. The high draft picks are prone to quickly leave for a more competitive team.

What are these kids readymade for? Other than 2 nationwide every year, the rest can at best step into a strong team and be fringe contributors. In a weak team, they are going to just be cannon fodder.

Next year, when Phillips probably isn't out there to help the young players, will be even worse for PA. It's not as if the same optimistic claims you're making now weren't widely made about the Cats and Eagles when they joined too.

"If any good player wants to go to Sydney"... that's a massive If. Based on their signings compared to the other clubs, they haven't exactly pulled a lot of great players. I personally hope players do want to go there, but as it stands, the high picks in the NSW-ACT pool mean very little compare to the Hawks plethora of picks.
Hardly an 'if' at this point. All the top players decided against joining Sydney. But it's not too late for them to change their minds because they can still nominate for the NSW draft. So the Swans are not affected at all by their inability to trade their first 5 picks.

Bulldogs lost Huntington/Toogood/Lochland compared to Prespakis/Gee (soon to be Egan). Though Prespakis is an elite player and Gee is outstanding, tall forwards (especially dual KPP) don't grow on trees, they also copped it last expansion too. I think Carlton have been stiffed too, but Dogs are worse off long-term
Since you bring up Huntington, it's fair to also mention Carlton are losing their own tall forwards in Jones and Stevens (in addition to having already lost Harris).
 

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Why aren't the new clubs receiving picks using the serpentine method as they are starting from scratch?

E.g. instead of Essendon getting Vic 1+3, and Hawthorn 2+4 (unfair on Hawthorn), Essendon should get Vic 1+4 and Hawthorn 2+3.
Bump. A bit unfair on Essendon, always a pick after Hawthorn (except after all the bonus priority picks Hawthorn get that the Bombers don't). Should've been reversed each round. Someone at Hawthorn must be holding a few dodgy photos... 6 top 30 picks to 2.
 

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Bump. A bit unfair on Essendon, always a pick after Hawthorn (except after all the bonus priority picks Hawthorn get that the Bombers don't). Should've been reversed each round. Someone at Hawthorn must be holding a few dodgy photos... 6 top 30 picks to 2.
Does the quantity inversely reflect the amount of experienced signings from other clubs?
 

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Bump. A bit unfair on Essendon, always a pick after Hawthorn (except after all the bonus priority picks Hawthorn get that the Bombers don't). Should've been reversed each round. Someone at Hawthorn must be holding a few dodgy photos... 6 top 30 picks to 2.
I think they've just allocated us a ladder finish of 15th based on the quality of players we brought in. Not super fussed about it at this point (sorry not to be salty though ahaha).
 

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Here's the explainer for Gold Coast, St Kilda and West Coast having priority picks:

BOTH West Coast and Gold Coast have the ability to sign up to four open-age players in the current AFLW Sign and Trade Period, while St Kilda can re-list Irish defender Clara Fitzpatrick as part of list concessions.

The three clubs applied to the AFL Commission for special assistance and were granted the following:

  • Gold Coast can pre-sign up to four mature-age (born prior to 2004) players who have previously nominated for the NAB AFLW Draft. The Suns have also received an end-of-second-round compensation pick (currently No.49 nationally, No.3 in Queensland)
  • St Kilda can relist Clara Fitzpatrick, and received a compensation pick in the first round (currently No.28, No.15 in Victoria) with the proviso the pick be used to trade for a player (already traded to Carlton for Nicola Stevens)
  • West Coast can pre-sign up to four mature-age players who have previously nominated for the draft, as well as two first-round compensation picks (Nos.15 and 36, Nos.2 and 4 in Western Australia) and one end-of-second-round pick (No.48, No.6 in Western Australia)
Fitzpatrick was on St Kilda's list in 2020, playing five of a possible six games and impressing in her role as a key defender.

She missed the 2021 AFLW season due to visa issues, and was delisted following a ruptured ACL suffered while playing Gaelic Football in June, 2021.

West Coast has won a cumulative four matches across its 25 games over three seasons, Gold Coast has won five (and two draws) from its 26 and St Kilda has won seven of its 25.


The picks have already been included in yesterday's draft order update so nothing changes there, but it clears a few things up.
 
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Four confirmed trades involving eight players today!
  1. Jordan Ivey (Geelong) traded with Pick 51 to Melbourne for Jackie Parry and Shelley Scott
  2. Charlotte Wilson (Carlton) traded to Melbourne for Pick 42
  3. Lauren Brazzale (Carlton) traded with Pick 38, and Pick 89 to Collingwood for Amelia Velardo and Pick 73
  4. Krstel Petrevski (Melbourne), Isabella Simmons (Melbourne) traded with Pick 77 to West Coast Eagles for Pick 50

Updated Draft Picks:
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Ins and Outs (see second tab in the stickied spreadsheet)
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Piecing it together from four different club tweets/websites I think the Egan trade is either a four-way trade or three different trades involving Richmond so that Richmond had the picks for Carlton:

Hawks in: 18 (from Rich)
Hawks out: 30, 33 (both to Coll, via Rich?)

Richmond in: Egan (from Carl), 38 (from Coll)
Richmond out: 18 (to Hawks)

Collingwood in: 30, 33 (both from Hawks, via Rich?)
Collingwood out: 25 (to Carl, via Rich?), 38 (to Rich)

Carlton in: 25 (from Coll, via Rich?)
Carlton out: Egan (to Rich)






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Today's trades:

This was in fact three separate trades, rather than a "four way" trade:
  • Richmond trade Pick 18 to Hawthorn for Pick 30 and Pick 33
  • Richmond trade Pick 30 and Pick 33 to Collingwood for Pick 25 and Pick 38
  • Carlton trade Grace Egan to Richmond for Pick 25

GWS GIANTS trade Ally Morphett to Sydney Swans for Pick 29

Geelong Cats trade Phoebe McWilliams and Pick 17 to Carlton for Pick 21 and Pick 42

Geelong Cats trade Olivia Barber to Collingwood for Pick 33

Richmond trades Pick 68 to GWS GIANTS for Libby Graham

St Kilda trades Pick 37 to GWS GIANTS for Erin McKinnon and Pick 54

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Details:
  1. Gold Coast SUNS trade Jacqueline Yorston, Kate Surman, Brittany Perry and Cheyanne Hammond to Port Adelaide for Pick 34 and Pick 81

  2. Hawthorn trade Pick 45 and Pick 80 to Melbourne for Pick 51 and 59

  3. Richmond trade Pick 52 to Hawthorn for Pick 59 and Pick 62

  4. Western Bulldogs trade Isabel Huntington to GWS GIANTS for Pick 29 and Pick 37

  5. Geelong Cats trade Millie Brown and Pick 21 to the Western Bulldogs for Pick 24 and Pick 56

  6. West Coast Eagles trade Mikayla Bowen to the Geelong Cats for Pick 24

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3pm on Day 7 and the Trade Period is DONE. Today's confirmed trades are:
  1. North Melbourne trade Kaitlyn Ashmore to Hawthorn for Pick 51
  2. Carlton trade Courtney Jones to Gold Coast SUNS for Pick 49
  3. Hawthorn trade Pick 18 to Carlton for Pick 25, Pick 28 and Pick 55
  4. West Coast Eagles trade Grace Kelly to St Kilda for Pick 54
  5. North Melbourne trade Daisy Bateman and Pick 74 to the Western Bulldogs for Pick 72 and Pick 90
  6. Hawthorn trade Pick 28, Pick 52 and Pick 55 to North Melbourne for Pick 26 and Pick 72
  7. West Coast Eagles trade Niamh Kelly and Amber Ward to the Adelaide Crows for Jessica Sedunary and Pick 43
  8. Adelaide Crows trade Nikki Gore and Pick 60 to Fremantle for Pick 40 and Pick 75
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Have also cross-referenced it against the official draft order that they've published, everything matches up except that they haven't put the Petrevski trade in properly (Pick 50 and 77 are the wrong way around on their version).
 

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3pm on Day 7 and the Trade Period is DONE. Today's confirmed trades are:
  1. North Melbourne trade Kaitlyn Ashmore to Hawthorn for Pick 51
  2. Carlton trade Courtney Jones to Gold Coast SUNS for Pick 49
  3. Hawthorn trade Pick 18 to Carlton for Pick 25, Pick 28 and Pick 55
  4. West Coast Eagles trade Grace Kelly to St Kilda for Pick 54
  5. North Melbourne trade Daisy Bateman and Pick 74 to the Western Bulldogs for Pick 72 and Pick 90
  6. Hawthorn trade Pick 28, Pick 52 and Pick 55 to North Melbourne for Pick 26 and Pick 72
  7. West Coast Eagles trade Niamh Kelly and Amber Ward to the Adelaide Crows for Jessica Sedunary and Pick 43
  8. Adelaide Crows trade Nikki Gore and Pick 60 to Fremantle for Pick 40 and Pick 75
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Have also cross-referenced it against the official draft order that they've published, everything matches up except that they haven't put the Petrevski trade in properly (Pick 50 and 77 are the wrong way around on their version).

Saints get it done. Only got one pick though. Gotta make it count. Much appreciated Lore, I come here before I go to the AFL app now.


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Plenty of rookie signings and some clarification of delistings dropping this week which makes it easier to approximate the draft order based on available list spots.
 
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The last of the rookie signings were confirmed last night and have been added to the ins and outs tab;

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North Melbourne have signed Zoe Savarirayan
Hawthorn have signed Aine McDonagh
Richmond have signed Saraid Taylor
Geelong Cats have signed Samantha Gooden
Fremantle have signed Orlagh Lally
Sydney Swans have signed Tiarne Cavanagh
Carlton have signed Taylor Ortlepp
Melbourne have signed Blaithen Mackin
Collingwood have signed Emily Smith
Port Adelaide have signed Olivia Levicki
North Melbourne have signed Victoria Wall
North Melbourne have signed Erika O'Shea

Still a few names that haven't got AFL approval (or if they have then it's not been published). We know Beruldsen and Mitchell have to go through the draft as they hadn't previously nominated and therefore couldn't be signed under expansion rules, but not sure about the other four.
 

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Plenty of rookie signings and some clarification of delistings dropping this week which makes it easier to approximate the draft order based on available list spots.
We'll know for sure how many picks each club has on Saturday when the draft order is confirmed, I think the last day for delisting was before list lodgement 2 last Thursday, so now that the rookies are sorted they'll tally it all up and see what is going on. Still have father-daughter nominations to come today as well.
 

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We'll know for sure how many picks each club has on Saturday when the draft order is confirmed, I think the last day for delisting was before list lodgement 2 last Thursday, so now that the rookies are sorted they'll tally it all up and see what is going on. Still have father-daughter nominations to come today as well.
Are we expecting any FDs? I know Charlotte Simpson is a possibility for the Cats (and a remote possibility for the Saints) as well as Makenzie McGrath for the Cats. Do we know of any other possibilities?

In terms of picks, this is what I've got:

Adelaide: 3
Brisbane: 3
Carlton: 5
Collingwood: 3 (but they need to make a couple of players inactive to get there)
Essendon: 7
Fremantle: 4, I think, after the new signing
Geelong: 3
Gold Coast: 3
GWS: 7
Hawthorn: 7? 8? What's going on with Smith?
Melbourne: 3
North Melbourne: 5
Port Adelaide: 7
Richmond: 3
St Kilda: 4 or 5, depending on what happens with Patrikios.
Sydney: 5
West Coast: 10? That can't be right, surely.
Western Bulldogs: 4

If anybody can correct anything I've got wrong it would be much appreciated.
 

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I suspect they'll take between 5-6 and then fill the gaps with undrafted players from interstate
Do you know if they can put Wakfer straight on the inactive list (assuming they draft her)? Could they potentially make another pick (or pass) at the draft, or would they have to wait to sign someone after?

Either way, that's a lot of turnover.
 

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