Preview 2022 Spoon (poll)

[dylan93]

Something along the lines of this for bottom 6:

13. West Coast
14. Adelaide
15. Collingwood
16. North Melbourne
17. Hawthorn
18. Gold Coast

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

"Winning" the spoon 2 years in a row doesn't really happen often.

It's out of Collingwood/Gold Coast/Hawthorn in that order.

Consecutive Wooden Spoons

• St Kilda (6) = 1897-1902
• St Kilda (2) = 1904-1905
• St Kilda (2) = 1909-1910
• University (4) = 1911-1914
• Hawthorn (2) = 1927-1928
• North Melbourne (3) = 1929-1931
• North Melbourne (2) = 1934-1935
• South Melbourne (2) = 1938-1939
• Hawthorn (2) = 1941-1942
• St Kilda (2) = 1947-1948
• Hawthorn (2) = 1949-1950
• St Kilda (2) = 1954-1955
• Geelong (2) = 1957-1958
• Fitzroy (2) = 1963-1964
• St Kilda (4) = 1983-1986
• Brisbane Bears (2) = 1990-1991
• Sydney (3) = 1992-1994
• Fitzroy (2) = 1995-1996
• Carlton (2) = 2005-2006
• Melbourne (2) = 2008-2009
• GWS (2) = 2012-2013

 

[Cyber_punk]

Consecutive Wooden Spoons

• St Kilda (6) = 1897-1902
• St Kilda (2) = 1904-1905
• St Kilda (2) = 1909-1910
• University (4) = 1911-1914
• Hawthorn (2) = 1927-1928
• North Melbourne (3) = 1929-1931
• North Melbourne (2) = 1934-1935
• South Melbourne (2) = 1938-1939
• Hawthorn (2) = 1941-1942
• St Kilda (2) = 1947-1948
• Hawthorn (2) = 1949-1950
• St Kilda (2) = 1954-1955
• Geelong (2) = 1957-1958
• Fitzroy (2) = 1963-1964
• St Kilda (4) = 1983-1986
• Brisbane Bears (2) = 1990-1991
• Sydney (3) = 1992-1994
• Fitzroy (2) = 1995-1996
• Carlton (2) = 2005-2006
• Melbourne (2) = 2008-2009
• GWS (2) = 2012-2013

I'm meaning more recently in the AFL era. It's more unlikely than not. Equalization has made it so most clubs don't stay down for too long

 

[Jack Green]

Toss up between Pies and North.

Wait. Why is Freo there?

Don't think either Saints or Dockers should be in this conversation.

 

[WillHayward]

Asks about Freo, you explain Eagles.

Top shelf.

Well I think freo finish above the Eagles.

But

No poll on the spoon is complete without freo being included. Its a well established tradition.

 

[WillHayward]

Toss up between Pies and North.

Wait. Why is Freo there?

Tradition

 

[BigVic]

Pies

 

[Blackhawk42]

Going to be a lot of disappointed people next year when Hawthorn are no where near 18th.

Only way we are contending for the spoon are if two of the following things occur.

1. Half our best 22 get season ending injuries (happy to admit that we don't have the depth to cover it).

2. Mitchell coaches like the second coming of Mark Neeled and his appointment becomes a clear mistake early on.


We won 7 games (finished on 32 points, so essentially 8 wins) in 2021, lost nobody of note in trade period and gain James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

and Jack Gunston

19

Jack Gunston

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

after 12 months off each.
The expectation is 8 wins at an absolute minimum.

Collingwood and Adelaide are my two major contenders. Crows are on the right path but I think it will be a slow burn of a rebuild.

 

[The Nostradamus]

If it’s somehow us we’ll definelty be getting the priority pick this time

 

[La Dispute]

There's no clear favourite this year.
Are the Crows tipped to improve again in 2022?

They’re still consolidating. Took a few teams by surprise this season, but wouldn’t be surprised to see them go backwards.

I like their mix going forward, they’ve sorted their key position posts pretty early (Butts, Thilthorpe) and some handy young players who look like they are made of the right stuff: Scholl, Hamill, Pedlar, Berry etc.

They definitely need some more midfield class and are leveraging a couple of more experienced heads rotating heavily through there. It’s interesting they seem to be keen on Rachele when they’ve gone for flankers with early picks before and haven’t had much success. Plus they’ll probably get Rankine at some point.

Could see them finishing pretty much anywhere in the bottom 10 tbh.

 

[PanzerMan]

Has to be Hawthorn doesnt it?

 

[Call Me Cake]

I vote Geelong.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hawks for mine.

Makings of a great backline, but the rest isn’t there yet. Will struggle to kick consistent scores unless they find some a grade forward half players.

 

[Schauermann]

No poll on the spoon is complete without freo being included. Its a well established tradition.

We don't like the spotlight of a wooden spoon. We prefer to be bad silently. Apart from winning in 2001 we were only in real contention in 1999. In 2016 we didn't even finish second last which was probably the real spoon (but I'll give you, that you could count that year as well).

 

[Dirty Bird]

Got a $100 bet with a Port nuff that Crows won't finish bottom - even if Crows finish 17th they still pay up

What poor soul is going to have $100 stolen just so your port mate can pay out the bet?

 

[Dazb86]

If it’s somehow us we’ll definelty be getting the priority pick this time

It might happen but I can't see you guys being as bad as the first half of this year again

 

[HairyO]

If it’s somehow us we’ll definelty be getting the priority pick this time

Priority pick for playing finals in the last 7 or 8 years then choosing to rebuild ?

 

[Heaps of fun]

It's actually never happened at the Blues.

Edit - happened once in over a century, not sure that can be deemed as occurring often.

Lol

 

[DEVO]

If it’s somehow us we’ll definelty be getting the priority pick this time

There were enough positive signs from the second half of the season to suggest we will be more than competitive in most matches next season. I think eight wins is a real possibility depending on the draw.

My pick for the spoon is Hawthorn, their list looks a little disjointed and light on depth. Also, they kicked out the master coach and replaced him with a rookie and I'm not sure he can provide the spark to lift the team when in a winnable position.

 

[The Nostradamus]

There were enough positive signs from the second half of the season to suggest we will be more than competitive in most matches next season. I think eight wins is a real possibility depending on the draw.

My pick for the spoon is Hawthorn, their list looks a little disjointed and light on depth. Also, they kicked out the master coach and replaced him with a rookie and I'm not sure he can provide the spark to lift the team when in a winnable position.

I agree that we should be on the improve but if worst case scenario we don’t then there’s at least that PP

 

[Jack Green]

Going to be a lot of disappointed people next year when Hawthorn are no where near 18th.

Only way we are contending for the spoon are if two of the following things occur.

1. Half our best 22 get season ending injuries (happy to admit that we don't have the depth to cover it).

2. Mitchell coaches like the second coming of Mark Neeled and his appointment becomes a clear mistake early on.


We won 7 games (finished on 32 points, so essentially 8 wins) in 2021, lost nobody of note in trade period and gain James Sicily and Jack Gunston after 12 months off each.
The expectation is 8 wins at an absolute minimum.

Collingwood and Adelaide are my two major contenders. Crows are on the right path but I think it will be a slow burn of a rebuild.

The Hawks like Adelaide and North in early days of a rebuild and Collingwood and Gold Coast for different reasons will be in the mix.
I think most fans [ even most the supporters of these clubs ,would have those 5 grouped in the bottom 6 realistically. Whoever gets a poor run with injury , loses a few close games will get the chocolates. The coaching for a few of these clubs also a consideration. Regards to Mitchell you would like to give him 3 years at the helm to try and create his own system and culture at the club, now Clarkson is gone. Remember the early years of both Hardwick and Clarkson- it did not happen overnight.

 

[Jack Green]

Tradition

Tradition- doesn't work for me, mind you. Like the Saints in this poll, Dockers feel to me in that middle grouping of 7-12 .Both have solid lists and solid coaching and a have a few years of development ahead of the other sides mentioned.

 

[boncer34]

Tradition- doesn't work for me, mind you. Like the Saints in this poll, Dockers feel to me in that middle grouping of 7-12 .Both have solid lists and solid coaching and a have a few years of development ahead of the other sides mentioned.

Saints were the big disappointment of 2021 for me. I can see 2022 either having it all come together and they do deep or it all explodes spectacularly and they bomb out.

 

[Sellout Scully]

I'm curious to see how Hawthorn's older players respond in 2022 after the club actively shopped them around during trade week.

 

[Jack Green]

Saints were the big disappointment of 2021 for me. I can see 2022 either having it all come together and they do deep or it all explodes spectacularly and they bomb out.

Yeah , the Saints are probably one of the harder sides to place 1-18. Having said that , for me the middle ground seems most likely. I'm waiting on the fixture to come out but suspect I might place them 8. Blues and Bombers I also see in that middle grouping of sides with the Dockers . My reasoning for those 4 sides being in that middle grouping, is their not good enough to legitimately contend, but they are too good to be in wooden spoon calculations.