List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

JasRulz63 · Nov 13, 2022

wantok said:
Do we already have a Connor Mckenna in James Madden. Would his game progress with more opportunities?

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When McKenna was at the same age and time spent on the list as Madden has, he made the 22under22 team and was well entrenched in the Essendon best 22.

a mayes ing · Nov 13, 2022

JasRulz63 said:
When McKenna was at the same age and time spent on the list as Madden has, he made the 22under22 team and was well entrenched in the Essendon best 22.

Bit unfair to compare different teams as we are a top 4 team.Not sure what Essendon were when McKenna was young and starting out. But it would be easier to get into a team that isn't very good, fast track their development and show their abilities.

wantok · Nov 13, 2022

a mayes ing said:
Bit unfair to compare different teams as we are a top 4 team.Not sure what Essendon were when McKenna was young and starting out. But it would be easier to get into a team that isn't very good, fast track their development and show their abilities.

Yes agreed. My thinking was Jimmy could have developed to the Mckenna level with more game time. Their attributes are similar. Mckenna is more confident but I think Jimmy might be a better kick and Mark akready.

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Mr Ripper · Nov 13, 2022

Need to remember that covid’s cost Jimmy a season-and-a-half’s worth of development in the twos.

Section 5 · Nov 14, 2022

The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description	Date	Opponent	Result	K	HB	D	M	G	B	T	HO	GA	I50	CL	CG	R50	FF	FA	AF	SC
Round 19	Jul 23	Kangaroos	Win 121-75	Unused Substitute
Round 5	Apr 18	Cats	Win 92-80	4	5	9	1	0	0	4	0	1	0	0	3	3	1	1	39	43
Round 2	Mar 26	Power	Win 120-56 ↙Sub	5	6	11	2	0	0	4	0	0	0	1	1	1	1	0	50	34
Round 1	Mar 20	Kangaroos	Win 78-58 ↙Sub	11	6	17	8	0	0	5	0	2	1	0	3	2	0	1	86	77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year	Team	GM	K	H	D	M	G	B	T	HO	FF	FA	GA	I50	CL	CG	R50	BL
2022	Hawks	4 *	5.0	4.2	9.2	2.8	0	0	3.2	0	0.5	0.5	0.8	0.2	0.2	1.8	1.5
2021	Hawks	22	10.9	7.5	18.4	4.2	0.6	0.2	2.1	0	1.1	0.3	0.2	1.9	1.4	2.2	1.4
2020	Magpies	15	9.4	6.9	16.3	3.1	0.3	0.5	2.3	0	1.1	0.3	0.1	2.4	0.7	2.0	1.3	0.13
2019	Magpies	24	15.5	8.3	23.8	5.3	0.5	0.4	2.2	0	0.7	0.2	0.3	3.2	1.7	2.7	2.8
2018	Magpies	26	15.0	10.5	25.5	5.7	0.6	0.3	2.4	0	0.7	0.6	0.5	3.0	2.1	2.8	2.6

Nunez · Nov 14, 2022

Section 5 said:
The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 19
Jul 23
Kangaroos
Win 121-75
Unused Substitute
Round 5
Apr 18
Cats
Win 92-80
4
5
9
1
0
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
3
1
1
39
43
Round 2
Mar 26
Power
Win 120-56 ↙Sub
5
6
11
2
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
50
34
Round 1
Mar 20
Kangaroos
Win 78-58 ↙Sub
11
6
17
8
0
0
5
0
2
1
0
3
2
0
1
86
77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Supremely average player. Can't kick. Do not want.

The Flying Belgian · Nov 14, 2022

Section 5 said:
Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Not many stats improving over time. That's not a trend you really want to see in a player.

Warwick · Nov 14, 2022

Section 5 said:
The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 19
Jul 23
Kangaroos
Win 121-75
Unused Substitute
Round 5
Apr 18
Cats
Win 92-80
4
5
9
1
0
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
3
1
1
39
43
Round 2
Mar 26
Power
Win 120-56 ↙Sub
5
6
11
2
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
50
34
Round 1
Mar 20
Kangaroos
Win 78-58 ↙Sub
11
6
17
8
0
0
5
0
2
1
0
3
2
0
1
86
77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Yuk yuk yuk.

A major ball butcher.

twhowler · Nov 14, 2022

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Section 5 said:
The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 19
Jul 23
Kangaroos
Win 121-75
Unused Substitute
Round 5
Apr 18
Cats
Win 92-80
4
5
9
1
0
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
3
1
1
39
43
Round 2
Mar 26
Power
Win 120-56 ↙Sub
5
6
11
2
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
50
34
Round 1
Mar 20
Kangaroos
Win 78-58 ↙Sub
11
6
17
8
0
0
5
0
2
1
0
3
2
0
1
86
77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Phillips has terrible disposal. He is 26 and is being delisted by the hawks. Says it all.

McKenna seems like a no-brainer assuming he is not going to cost too much in terms of cap space. Maybe we have a bit left for next season we can pre-load as much of his salary in so we don't hurt ourselves too much.

Irishman usually take longer. Pearce Hanley looked woeful early on - especially with, not surprisingly, game awareness. He was a gun at his best. He also showed good ability from early on with his disposal.

This is my worry with Madden, his kicking is still quite bad. He hits the odd target but i would have expected more improvement by now. I don't think aussie-born players can improve disposal much given all the years they have had pre AFL, but irish players can have sudden improvement. I think this year is D-Day for Madden on that front. If his kicking does pick up he could be handy. His closing speed is about the best i've ever seen to the naked eye, and he is more desperate than most of our defenders when the ball hits the ground, so i hope he gets one more go at it.

Dalions · Nov 14, 2022

Yeah, big NO to Phillips.

Section 5 · Nov 14, 2022

Looks like it is a big no on Phillips from most

blueiris · Nov 14, 2022

Section 5 said:
The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 19
Jul 23
Kangaroos
Win 121-75
Unused Substitute
Round 5
Apr 18
Cats
Win 92-80
4
5
9
1
0
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
3
1
1
39
43
Round 2
Mar 26
Power
Win 120-56 ↙Sub
5
6
11
2
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
50
34
Round 1
Mar 20
Kangaroos
Win 78-58 ↙Sub
11
6
17
8
0
0
5
0
2
1
0
3
2
0
1
86
77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Wouldn’t have thought so would expect players like Bailey and Ah Chee getting wing time there’s also Fletcher and Sharp who you would hope to develop wouldn’t have a problem with McKenna on a wing either

Berrygood · Nov 14, 2022

Section 5 said:
The club obviously have an interest in McKenna but possibly have other options they may look at

A wing spot is a need for us, however someone on our list may very well make it their own in 2023

Hawks delisted Tom Phillips this year and i wonder if he is on our radar

Delisted Hawk “committed” to getting back, confident of receiving AFL lifeline

“There is enough confidence at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He had an ankle injury, played 8 games for Box Hill. Average Disposals 24, Marks 5.3, tackles 5
Below only 4 AFL games (3 sub) but they won every game he played

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 19
Jul 23
Kangaroos
Win 121-75
Unused Substitute
Round 5
Apr 18
Cats
Win 92-80
4
5
9
1
0
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
3
1
1
39
43
Round 2
Mar 26
Power
Win 120-56 ↙Sub
5
6
11
2
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
50
34
Round 1
Mar 20
Kangaroos
Win 78-58 ↙Sub
11
6
17
8
0
0
5
0
2
1
0
3
2
0
1
86
77

His previous 4 years . Looks like he played better at the Pies than Hawks

Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2022
Hawks
4 *
5.0
4.2
9.2
2.8
0
0
3.2
0
0.5
0.5
0.8
0.2
0.2
1.8
1.5

2021
Hawks
22
10.9
7.5
18.4
4.2
0.6
0.2
2.1
0
1.1
0.3
0.2
1.9
1.4
2.2
1.4

2020
Magpies
15
9.4
6.9
16.3
3.1
0.3
0.5
2.3
0
1.1
0.3
0.1
2.4
0.7
2.0
1.3
0.13
2019
Magpies
24
15.5
8.3
23.8
5.3
0.5
0.4
2.2
0
0.7
0.2
0.3
3.2
1.7
2.7
2.8

2018
Magpies
26
15.0
10.5
25.5
5.7
0.6
0.3
2.4
0
0.7
0.6
0.5
3.0
2.1
2.8
2.6

Gee's I hardly think wing is a need for us. Plenty on our list can and will do a far better job than Phillips.

Section 5 · Nov 14, 2022

My Phillips post was just about a player delisted, and would the Lions have him on their radar ??. Consensus here on BF is no.
Lions may also not want to go anywhere near him

However, some posters think we have the wing covered. I don't think we have yet, but hopeful
It would be good if someone steps up and made the position their own other than Berry. But who will it be that's on our present list

Berry takes one wing, had a good season and looks more suited to the wing than an inside mid to me.
He plays consistant footy on the wing and will get better if left there, with small stints in the midfield
Yes he can play inside mid, but his form is patchy in my opinion when he plays in that position
Even as a tagger he was superb one week then average the next

I know we have players that can play the wing position. It's not like we can leave it vacant
In 2022 we tried : Sharp (5), Robbo (15 the most) now gone, Prior (12), Tunstall (3) with Dev Robertson & Ah Chee filling in at times

Others that had shortish stints on the wing to get us through the game. More for wingers bench relief that anything.
Bailey, Zorko, Lyons, McCluggage, Neale

Ah Chee:- Solid player we know what we get. But he gets thrown around a lot and is okay on the wing. Low disposal player
Sharp : Still young but i don't see anything in his AFL games yet to be best 22
Prior: Could make it his position with more improvement. But was not an automatic selection in 2022
Dev Robertson: Maybe but does not look like a natural winger. OOC in 2023. Played 2 finals so should get a gig but where
Tunstall: Not great against Demons on debut. Showed something v Dogs. Good VFL season. I have high hopes for him but needs to get in side first

Bailey on the wing is a waste of forward goal scoring power to me. Don't see him as a full time wing.
Zorko, Lyons, McCluggage & Neale can't really be considered. McCluggage would be great but he is locked in the middle now

Quigley · Nov 15, 2022

With the addition of Dunkley and Ashcroft and Rayner likely to be in the middle more, time in the middle of the ground is going to be hard to come by. When you have a guy who made the AA squad playing on a wing it makes a lot of sense to play him there for significant periods of the game.

I also like Bailey in the wing role for a decent portion of games and with Zorko likely to play more forward using him more on the wing makes sense.

Also worth remembering that Fletcher is likely to start on the wing. He maybe won't be a day 1 starter (although he could be) but he should get games over the course of the year. His skills would be a nice addition to our midfield unit if he can get up and down the ground and find enough of it.

Miller1971 · Nov 15, 2022

Jaspa Fletcher is an absolute natural wingman. I don't think he's AFL ready, but if he were it would 100% be as a wing/half forward.

On the quiet · Nov 15, 2022

WhiteLionFeva said:
Hopefully visiting our new digs will have helped his decision making.

yes looks like good digs, but the commute to and from might not be too appealing, as I understand a number of players reside in inner to mid suburbs such as Camp Hill, Bulimba, Coorparoo etc
Would not be surprised if some of the running sessions during preseason are still held at Yeronga or Coorparoo

On the quiet · Nov 15, 2022

wantok said:
Do we already have a Connor Mckenna in James Madden. Would his game progress with more opportunities?

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exactly

On the quiet · Nov 15, 2022

a mayes ing said:
Bit unfair to compare different teams as we are a top 4 team.Not sure what Essendon were when McKenna was young and starting out. But it would be easier to get into a team that isn't very good, fast track their development and show their abilities.

challenging for a young player to break into a top 4 team and especially one that believes it is in the premiership window, hence IMO some of the reluctance of the coaching group to play some of the promising young fringe players, unless there is an injury to a senior/seasoned player.

Miller1971 · Nov 15, 2022

On the quiet said:
yes looks like good digs, but the commute to and from might not be too appealing, as I understand a number of players reside in inner to mid suburbs such as Camp Hill, Bulimba, Coorparoo etc
Would not be surprised if some of the running sessions during preseason are still held at Yeronga or Coorparoo

they all reside there due to the proximity to where they train.

They have had plenty of notice where the main facility is going to be, so I wouldn't be surprised to find many players relocating to or new players living in the leafy inner west in places like Chelmer, Oxley, Corinda, Sinnamon Park, Jindalee, West Lake etc

JasRulz63 · Nov 15, 2022

a mayes ing said:
Bit unfair to compare different teams as we are a top 4 team.Not sure what Essendon were when McKenna was young and starting out. But it would be easier to get into a team that isn't very good, fast track their development and show their abilities.

I agree that Madden has missed out on a lot of footy and has limited opportunities. I also think because we are contender now, we are potentially better off playing someone who could perform at that level now instead of someone who might get their in the future but isn't necessarily best 22 at the moment.

briztoon · Nov 15, 2022

Miller1971 said:
they all reside there due to the proximity to where they train.

They have had plenty of notice where the main facility is going to be, so I wouldn't be surprised to find many players relocating to or new players living in the leafy inner west in places like Chelmer, Oxley, Corinda, Sinnamon Park, Jindalee, West Lake etc

When did Oxley become an inner west leafy suburb?

T Rick · Nov 15, 2022

AFL.com reporting that we will do a pick swap with the Roos on Draft night:

"A deal involving pick 40 for a future third-round selection from the Lions as well as a later pick in this year's draft to use on Harvey has been worked through, which would give Brisbane important additional points to match bids on father-son pair Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.
The Lions would be able to strike a deal as soon as the draft starts on Monday, November 28 to bolster their points ahead of the bids".

The Flying Belgian · Nov 15, 2022

briztoon said:
When did Oxley become an inner west leafy suburb?

Leafy green suburb used to be code for something else when I was younger.

briztoon · Nov 15, 2022

The Flying Belgian said:
Leafy green suburb used to be code for something else when I was younger.

My and my brothers first job was pushing dads lawn mower around the suburb, mowing lawns. We eventually got a contract, and an old ute, to mow lawns for a community social housing organisation. We used to find a fair bit of leafy green that needed trimming.

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