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List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II
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Age demographic is not the most important factor.
Talent is the most important factor.
Replacing talentless 28 YO's with talentless 18 YO's won't cut it.
Talent is the most important factor.
Replacing talentless 28 YO's with talentless 18 YO's won't cut it.
I heard we are getting a straight swap Fiorini for Long.
( I said it out loud and heard myself say it ).
( I said it out loud and heard myself say it ).
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Top 20 pick for Hill who is contracted finished top 10 in the B&F would be a disaster , got screwed bringing him in and that would be getting screwed on the way out as well
For what we gave to get him and IF we got a early
2nd rounder for him on the way out, who ever is in charge of that should be shown the door
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No it wasn’t it was Ratts
He worked with Hill at the Hawks and Hill mentioned this at his announcement at the Saints
Hill was Ratts idea
Sunk cost fallacyTop 20 pick for Hill who is contracted finished top 10 in the B&F would be a disaster , got screwed bringing him in and that would be getting screwed on the way out as well
For what we gave to get him and IF we got a early
2nd rounder for him on the way out, who ever is in charge of that should be shown the door
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So we're not into Hartigan so all those melts were presumably over nothing.
Also- that blue tick rumours thread is a banger fyi.
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I’m happy enough to stand our ground even slip a couple of places just as long as we’re bringing in talented kids. Give me McKenzie and Humphrey or something like that and I’ll be happy. I still think clubs must have heard whispers about Tassie and I really don’t want to be old and crap when they enter the comp. We need more talent, most of it will come through the draft and 1 high pick at a time just doesn’t cut it. I’m not please at all to see Clark mentioned, he’s talented and young they need to find another way to get that pick.
I'm not convinced that we won't be Tassie in a few years time.
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Then what are you sooking about? [emoji1745]
Well yes but we’re still buying high and selling low which is not good trading. We aren’t inherently better off trading Hill.
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That’s me assuming.Top 20 pick for Hill who is contracted finished top 10 in the B&F would be a disaster , got screwed bringing him in and that would be getting screwed on the way out as well
For what we gave to get him and IF we got a early
2nd rounder for him on the way out, who ever is in charge of that should be shown the door
How do we know the club don’t turn around and say we want pick 12 or something.
I’m just trying to be realistic with him.
At this point I’m happy to cut my loss. Pick 19 (assuming north get a p/p) would have a host of clubs calling us overnight and into the afternoon to trade with us.
So we could turn that into multiple picks.
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But there is a hell of a lot more chance of a talentless 18 year old coming good.
Top 20 pick for Hill who is contracted finished top 10 in the B&F would be a disaster , got screwed bringing him in and that would be getting screwed on the way out as well
For what we gave to get him and IF we got a early
2nd rounder for him on the way out, who ever is in charge of that should be shown the door
Brad Hill, Pick 33 2011.
Traded 2016 , Pick 23.
Is he really worth more than he was in 2016?
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With Sharp potentially going to Freo, and us apparent interested in Meek, a three way trade that sees Long to GC, Sharp to Freo, and Meek to Stk would make sense. Maybe some later pick swaps to even it out.
Top 20 pick for Hill who is contracted finished top 10 in the B&F would be a disaster , got screwed bringing him in and that would be getting screwed on the way out as well
For what we gave to get him and IF we got a early
2nd rounder for him on the way out, who ever is in charge of that should be shown the door
But many people on here think that Hill is useless and has not provided us anything at all.
I would have thought if we could get a Top 20 pick for him and have him out of the club people would be happy?
Should we just keep him and complain for the next two years? Or do we cut the losses and run with a Top 20 pick?
I know which one I would do.
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From my understanding his contract is for 6 years.
If we have to pay his salary, then he is well and truly better staying at the club and sorting out the issues.
He's a decent/good and great at times.
I'd be pointing the finger at somewhere else other than the players... start with gameplan, recruitment and development.
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Geary, Ryder, Kent , Hanners.
We'll have a first round pick. Good chance of getting a talented kid.
2nd round pick. Still a reasonable chance , but more likely to wash out.
3rd. High risk project, or lower risk GOP.
4th. We don't have a 4th.
5th. In before Norf's rookie pick. State league player? ( ie not 18 ) or high risk.
Trade Hill : second round pick may or may not improve us, but we may still have a player in 4 years time.
Trade Clark : Not worth it without a first round pick.
Trade Long : I'd rather a player than another risky or low reward pick.
Bytel? We'd want a second at least.
No real point de-listing anyone else either.
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What you say is most likely right
But it’s a very poor trading and drafting model to pay high giving heaps only to sell a couple of years later selling low
Club will go nowhere doing that
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We tried a path that only clubs like Essendon and Carlton have done where we try to build through mass recruiting instead of the draft.
Normally in a proper rebuild, you get good kids in, improve as a side and once you build momentum up players want in and it's easy to attract them to you. When you do it arse about you have to over pay and get the players who are after a soft landing on big money.
I'd take the top 20, but i don't see the point in lowballing him.
2 years remaining on his contract.
Normally you need to draft well year after year for several years.
If you have aging top end talent you can trade out for good picks , that can speed up the process ( only if you draft well with those good picks ).
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