Training 2022 Training Reports

[Big Animal]

Was it an actual break ?

sorry, not sure. but it was 6 weeks from start so possibly.

 

[malpaso]

That kick inside fifty is considered effective.

A 40m kick to grass that is picked up by the opposition who runs the length of the ground to goal is considered effective.
The 39m kick that is dropped/spoiled and crumbed for a goal for us is ineffective.

Yeah that bit is ridiculous, directly turn the ball over = ineffective. You'd think that the AFL could work that out.
However the kicks out of defense (long ones) would get penalized and maybe rightly so.

 

[arsesmart]

Yeah that bit is ridiculous, directly turn the ball over = ineffective. You'd think that the AFL could work that out.
However the kicks out of defense (long ones) would get penalized and maybe rightly so.

Most categories are always rough around the edges, with potential for anomalies (some more than others). It's why they're always best used advisably.

 

[Deveraux]

The images of Wilson getting hold the ball against in the goal square against Brisbane is seared into my brain, followed up by a fake injury to avoid responsibility. Then the nutcracker incident... not sure I can forgive all that. Absolute laughing stock.

 

[CapitalA]

The images of Wilson getting hold the ball against in the goal square against Brisbane is seared into my brain, followed up by a fake injury to avoid responsibility. Then the nutcracker incident... not sure I can forgive all that. Absolute laughing stock.

That flounder on the goal line trying to milk a free kick from contact instead of killing the ball vs Richmond almost lost us the game too.

 

[JBMAN]

sorry, not sure. but it was 6 weeks from start so possibly.

I believe they said at the time that it was a minor break and estimated 5 - 6 weeks.

 

[Sully90]

Anyone listen to the AFL website podcast today? Apparently Schmook talks up Frederick in it?

 

[FreoRicci]

Hitting 9 out of 10 would make Ryan the best kick in the league by some distance. He’d barely be above Wilson when it comes to hitting targets.

Ryan is one of those guys that can’t make a mistake according to this board. He’s a bloody good player and that’s why this board loves him but I’m left frustrated at times at how long he takes to move the ball after taking a mark - just as much as the whipping boys in fact. He’s elite in many aspects of the game - I’m not sure ball movement is one of them (above average at best imo). Even the good players aren’t perfect.

Wilson’s dash gaining 15-20m before even disposing of the ball was what made him so dangerous in his first 3 and half seasons at the club. He was by far the most dangerous player coming out of defence - not Ryan. Before anyone suggests it - I am in no way shape or form saying Wilson was the best kick in the team in that period. He’s far from it but the impact when he gained 70-80m at times resulted in some of our best and most exciting score chains. I don’t forget that because he had one bad month of footy.

Ryan kick ins is about as predictable as can be. Sure he can kick, but he loves a throw onto the boot and hope it goes somewhere. Ryan should stick to intercepting defender, and Wilson/Young/Walker can be the elite rebounding kickers

 

[E Shed]

Ryan kick ins is about as predictable as can be. Sure he can kick, but he loves a throw onto the boot and hope it goes somewhere. Ryan should stick to intercepting defender, and Wilson/Young/Walker can be the elite rebounding kickers

Jordan Clarke pretty good too. Chapman.


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[wakojako]

Ryan kick ins is about as predictable as can be. Sure he can kick, but he loves a throw onto the boot and hope it goes somewhere. Ryan should stick to intercepting defender, and Wilson/Young/Walker can be the elite rebounding kickers

What I hated about our exit out of defence was we just took our time and bombed it to a pack. I would like to see us use our speed and players with good kicks on them more this season.

 

[jerms]

What I hated about our exit out of defence was we just took our time and bombed it to a pack. I would like to see us use our speed and players with good kicks on them more this season.

That doesn't sound like Freo at all

 

[anchor man]

Geez, the knives are out and the season hasn't even had a ball kicked in anger yet.
WTF!!!!!!

 

[Scham]

What I hated about our exit out of defence was we just took our time and bombed it to a pack. I would like to see us use our speed and players with good kicks on them more this season.

Tbh, that's not how I saw it last season, 2020 yes, but last year we tried to go quick at every possibility; it's just that the opposition, as is there plan (like us), successfully stifled us on occasion. As we improve our cattle down there and on the wings we'll become more successful at it. That's why we drafted Young and recruited Clark.

 

[theGav56]

I would like to see us use our speed and players with good kicks on them more this season.

Sounds easy, but reality is most teams are well set up to contest/intercept kick ins that reach the 50, and happily concede the useless shorter kicks to the pockets.

I also find the implied criticism (not sure if you do this, just adding a comment) of Wilson for taking kick ins odd. The players who take kick ins are determined by the coaches and the coaching strategy. If they aren't doing what the coaches want in one of the set play periods of the game I would be amazed.

 

[Docker82]

Sounds easy, but reality is most teams are well set up to contest/intercept kick ins that reach the 50, and happily concede the useless shorter kicks to the pockets.

The easy kick into the pocket being conceded can’t really be denied tbh. Teams are well set up with kick ins 90% of the time if not more.

I’d like to see the team in general move the ball a bit quicker when they mark the ball inside defensive fifty, especially those who are decent (at worst) users of the footy. Only reason I pointed out Ryan is he seems to be immune to any criticism whatsoever when he could himself improve in the same area half this board loves to criticise various whipping boys (Hughes and Wilson come to mind) for.

FWIW in my eyes the only players who aren’t decent kicks of the footy in our back six are Pearce, Hamling and maybe Logue. Conca is no longer on the list, whilst I’m not sure we’re playing Blakely in defence ever again. We’re in a good spot to improve in this area.

 

[theGav56]

The easy kick into the pocket being conceded can’t really be denied tbh. Teams are well set up with kick ins 90% of the time if not more.

I’d like to see the team in general move the ball a bit quicker when they mark the ball inside fifty, especially those who are decent (at worst) users of the footy. Only reason I pointed out Ryan is he seems to be immune to any criticism whatsoever when he could himself improve in the same area half this board loves to criticise various whipping boys (Hughes and Wilson come to mind) for.

FWIW in my eyes the only players who aren’t decent kicks of the footy in our back six are Pearce, Hamling and maybe Logue. Conca is no longer on the list, whilst I’m not sure we’re playing Blakely in defence ever again. We’re in a good spot to improve in this area.

If we have an advantage in speed, lock and load.

 

[Docker82]

Most categories are always rough around the edges, with potential for anomalies (some more than others). It's why they're always best used advisably.

Much better to use your own eyes instead of paying any attention to disposal efficiency imo. Sure they’ll be occasions where people think my opinion that I’ve come to from watching games is bs but I would consider paying too much attention to disposal efficiency as lying to myself.

The stat itself is flawed to begin with and even if it wasn’t it takes no consideration whatsoever of
1.) the difficulty of the disposal, and
2.) the impact on future disposals and the likelihood of said disposal being part of a scoring chain.

When used in isolation disposal efficiency almost tells us zero as to whether a player is a good kick imo.

 

[Scham]

Much better to use your own eyes instead of paying any attention to disposal efficiency imo. Sure they’ll be occasions where people think my opinion that I’ve come to from watching games is bs but I would consider paying too much attention to disposal efficiency as lying to myself.

The stat itself is flawed to begin with and even if it wasn’t it takes no consideration whatsoever of
1.) the difficulty of the disposal, and
2.) the impact on future disposals and the likelihood of said disposal being part of a scoring chain.

When used in isolation disposal efficiency almost tells us zero as to whether a player is a good kick imo.

Agree. It's very misleading. The other one's that are misleading are goal kicking "accuracy". It only counts goals and points scored, so shots that are totally muffed aren't recorded. And, clangers. No one can conclude anything from those 3 stats.

 

[arsesmart]

Much better to use your own eyes instead of paying any attention to disposal efficiency imo. Sure they’ll be occasions where people think my opinion that I’ve come to from watching games is bs but I would consider paying too much attention to disposal efficiency as lying to myself.

The stat itself is flawed to begin with and even if it wasn’t it takes no consideration whatsoever of
1.) the difficulty of the disposal, and
2.) the impact on future disposals and the likelihood of said disposal being part of a scoring chain.

When used in isolation disposal efficiency almost tells us zero as to whether a player is a good kick imo.

It offers information that you can compare with other stats to get a more accurate picture. Could a better one be developed? Maybe. I haven't really tried myself, but I can just scratch the surface and see it either being overly simplistic or a tricky balancing act to do so. Essentially though, it's what we've got, so we can either work with it or not. The eye test is really limited in itself and comes with its own severe limitations and biases.

 

[Docker82]

It offers information that you can compare with other stats to get a more accurate picture. Could a better one be developed? Maybe. I haven't really tried myself, but I can just scratch the surface and see it either being overly simplistic or a tricky balancing act to do so. Essentially though, it's what we've got, so we can either work with it or not. The eye test is really limited in itself and comes with its own severe limitations and biases.

Ultimately I’m sure there’s some really complicated formula that can give a more accurate representation of the game. They’d be so many variables that the casual football fan would be alienated by them though.

Overall I do not believe that Aussie Rules is a good sport for statistics in terms as how well they represent the likely outcome of the game and/or the quality of a player’s performance.

 

[Docker82]

Well he was the best kick in the league at one point but only just!

This table sums up another reason I don’t rate disposal efficiency.

Does anyone actually think the best 20 odd kicks in the league are all defenders.

David Mundy or Hayden Young (would’ve said Walters not long ago too) are the best kicks at our club. Forget the stats.

 

[Scham]

An effective disposal is one that gives the target of the disposal a realistic and reasonable chance to; mark in the case of a kick, and catch in the case of a handball. That's it. That's how it should be recorded, certainly if we're looking for it to tell us who are the most skilled and effective, which we do.

Goal accuracy is just how many deliberate shots on goal, result in a goal. That's it.

 

[Walkingwounded]

Overall I do not believe that Aussie Rules is a good sport for statistics in terms as how well they represent the likely outcome of the game and/or the quality of a player’s performance.

That’s a bit odd considering some stats certainly represent intensity in the contest.

I reckon marks inside 50, and even that strange stat of goals, and # Touches per goals represent a degree of efficiency. But these are all team stats… you seem focussed on individual stats.

But the individuals play in a team.

And stats do tell a story, of both an individual and of the team…. That’s why coaches look at them.

 

[Square Peg]

Young's kicking is overrated, part of the art of kicking is decision making and knowing when to pull the trigger. He burns us by going for too much at this point in his career
Mundy is obviously the best. Amongst the guys at the other end of their careers, treacy is a better kick than young.

 

[Daddoo]

Geez, the knives are out and the season hasn't even had a ball kicked in anger yet.
WTF!!!!!!

People love to complain. And then get mad when you tell them to be more positive. Many are quick to ramp up emotions and sharpen the knives. Spend some time on the socials. It’s exhausting.


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