Training 2022 Training Reports

[Docker82]

That’s a bit odd considering some stats certainly represent intensity in the contest.

I reckon marks inside 50, and even that strange stat of goals, and # Touches per goals represent a degree of efficiency. But these are all team stats… you seem focussed on individual stats.

But the individuals play in a team.

And stats do tell a story, of both an individual and of the team…. That’s why coaches look at them.

Mainly talking individual stats for sure. I’ve sat at a game (admittedly it was raining) and watched Tom Rockliff get 45 odd disposals and barely realised he’s playing. Pretty sure Brisbane scored about 20 points that day. I’ve looked at stats after a game and seen that Zac Dawson has one of the highest disposal efficiencies in the team that day.

Coaches would 100% look at stats but we’re talking about one stat at a time on here. In most cases those stats individually don’t tell you much at all.

Look at Champion Data though - gives some absolutely laughable results every year and it’s perhaps the most comprehensive stats in the game.

 

[anchor man]

People love to complain. And then get mad when you tell them to be more positive. Many are quick to ramp up emotions and sharpen the knives. Spend some time on the socials. It’s exhausting.


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Same on every Dockers site you go to.
Some want to progress but stay the same, same as 95/2011.

 

[vidwhal]

It’s difficult to judge Wilson, with our best defenders playing he provides the run and dash, kick to advantage.
But we just don’t ever see a rock solid combination.
Fingers crossed that the talls stay injury free, and the quarterback role is applied.
I look at WC in 2018 with Jetta, playing his role without worrying about actually defending.
Guy had serious wheels and could hit a target, and IMO they have seriously set themselves back with Simpson moving him on and no replacement.
It’s yet to be proven who will play this role, maybe several for us?
But with good ball users in Young and Chapman, the pace could come from?
We could actually be on the cusp of having an elite backline.
But and it’s a big one, Pearce and Hamling have to be available.
It’s why I would like to see Benning played all down the spine.

Elite back line or not, both will be made to look quite look quite average if our forwards and mids don't do their bit to hold it up our end for longer. I think we've got the talent in there now but injuries will decide that for us.

 

[DeanS]

Just checking but am I right in saying this thread is still just for pre-season training reports and comment on these training reports? There seems to be pages and pages of debate on all sorts of indefinable stuff.

 

[CapitalA]

Young's kicking is overrated, part of the art of kicking is decision making and knowing when to pull the trigger. He burns us by going for too much at this point in his career
Mundy is obviously the best. Amongst the guys at the other end of their careers, treacy is a better kick than young.

Lol.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Just checking but am I right in saying this thread is still just for pre-season training reports and comment on these training reports? There seems to be pages and pages of debate on all sorts of indefinable stuff.

It's for all things pre-season I would have thought? Not just training reports + discussion.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Young's kicking is overrated, part of the art of kicking is decision making and knowing when to pull the trigger. He burns us by going for too much at this point in his career
Mundy is obviously the best. Amongst the guys at the other end of their careers, treacy is a better kick than young.

 

[Square Peg]

Lol.

He looks great but hs **** ups are damaging when he takes on too much. He's talked up like he is Daniel Rich on here. Got a way to go I think before he can be called the best kick in the team after Mundy

 

[theGav56]

Many coaches are stats based. We're just looking at the low end of stats.

Even at training players fitness levels are monitored as part of the planning for how to most effectively use them during games. That's all stats based.

 

[dropbear101]

He looks great but hs **** ups are damaging when he takes on too much. He's talked up like he is Daniel Rich on here. Got a way to go I think before he can be called the best kick in the team after Mundy

this deserves a repetition of prpl_jss response

 

[SupermanCapes]

He looks great but hs **** ups are damaging when he takes on too much. He's talked up like he is Daniel Rich on here. Got a way to go I think before he can be called the best kick in the team after Mundy

There are so few players in the game with the confidence to take it on with a scything kick off half-back. If anything I want him to do it more! Those 45 degree kicks that switch angles and hit free players on the run are the ones that win you games. Every time he misses (and truthfully I don't think he misses them often at all) he's learning. Technically he looks like our second best kick - he may not quite be there on execution yet but it'll come. In the same way that it never will for Blakely or even Fyfe tbh.

 

[Square Peg]

There are so few players in the game with the confidence to take it on with a scything kick off half-back. If anything I want him to do it more! Those 45 degree kicks that switch angles and hit free players on the run are the ones that win you games. Every time he misses (and truthfully I don't think he misses them often at all) he's learning. Technically he looks like our second best kick - he may not quite be there on execution yet but it'll come. In the same way that it never will for Blakely or even Fyfe tbh.

Aren't you saying the same thing as I am, he looks good but that being a good kick is making the correct choice about when to go for a kick that opens you up if you miss?
I think every club has guys asked to do this, it isn't rare, and he isn't elite yet,. One day he could be.
As I said in another thread Young, Frederick, Sturt and Henry are all in the boat of very green players being talked up a bit ahead of where they are actually at in my opinion.

 

[blue shark]

There are so few players in the game with the confidence to take it on with a scything kick off half-back. If anything I want him to do it more! Those 45 degree kicks that switch angles and hit free players on the run are the ones that win you games. Every time he misses (and truthfully I don't think he misses them often at all) he's learning. Technically he looks like our second best kick - he may not quite be there on execution yet but it'll come. In the same way that it never will for Blakely or even Fyfe tbh.

Guy has played what 13 AFL games? With players like him and Walker, Frederick, once they get to 50 games look out
Just like Fyfe, Serong, You can just see that they have something special.

 

[Cesoir]

There are so few players in the game with the confidence to take it on with a scything kick off half-back. If anything I want him to do it more! Those 45 degree kicks that switch angles and hit free players on the run are the ones that win you games. Every time he misses (and truthfully I don't think he misses them often at all) he's learning. Technically he looks like our second best kick - he may not quite be there on execution yet but it'll come. In the same way that it never will for Blakely or even Fyfe tbh.

I'm with you. The guy has the ability and the skill to make those difficult kicks which can open the game up - but also have the potential to be costly if they are not executed exactly right. You can either accept that there will be some costly errors, but the the payoff is worth it or you can stop him from doing it and get him to bomb it long up the line which is the norm. If I'm coach I'm working with him to point out his mistakes but not discouraging him from taking the kicks - he will improve over time and be a real weapon.

I think we all need to give our youngsters some time - 50 games plus is where you start making some calls on whether they will make it.

 

[Dayts]

Nobody at Freo oval this morning. Think it’s safe to say the team might be taking a week off ?

 

[SupermanCapes]

Aren't you saying the same thing as I am, he looks good but that being a good kick is making the correct choice about when to go for a kick that opens you up if you miss?
I think every club has guys asked to do this, it isn't rare, and he isn't elite yet,. One day he could be.
As I said in another thread Young, Frederick, Sturt and Henry are all in the boat of very green players being talked up a bit ahead of where they are actually at in my opinion.

The point I was trying to make (admittedly it wasn't well expressed) is that I want the ball in Young's hands and I think he has the vision that makes him incredibly damaging. I also think he executes far more than he stuffs up.

You said that his kicking is overrated which I disagree with. I think the hype for him is exactly where it deserves to be. Agree he's not elite just yet but I think he's the best kick we've got coming off HBF.

 

[s_wd6]

Nobody at Freo oval this morning. Think it’s safe to say the team might be taking a week off ?
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The players were initially given a 1 week break at this time to visit family interstate and then come back when borders opened. Wonder if they've just kept that week off anyway

 

[jerms]

Nobody at Freo oval this morning. Think it’s safe to say the team might be taking a week off ?

Can we have training reports anyway plz?

 

[bruzaar62]

Probably a bit early to say-normally training starts 9/9:30 I thought

 

[Dayts]

Probably a bit early to say-normally training starts 9/9:30 I thought

Yeh but all the equipment team, equipment, tents water stations etc, are getting rolled out from about 7 normally.

 

[dockerfemme]

Nobody at Freo oval this morning. Think it’s safe to say the team might be taking a week off ?
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At Cockburn. I hope as I am going there. That is what the club said.

 

[BarbieITFC]

Mainly talking individual stats for sure. I’ve sat at a game (admittedly it was raining) and watched Tom Rockliff get 45 odd disposals and barely realised he’s playing. Pretty sure Brisbane scored about 20 points that day. I’ve looked at stats after a game and seen that Zac Dawson has one of the highest disposal efficiencies in the team that day.

Coaches would 100% look at stats but we’re talking about one stat at a time on here. In most cases those stats individually don’t tell you much at all.

Look at Champion Data though - gives some absolutely laughable results every year and it’s perhaps the most comprehensive stats in the game.

I’d be disappointed if Dawson had less than 95% DE given he only ever hand balled it two yards to a team mate…

…but that in itself is a good reason to be a bit more circumspect about DE as an effective measure for players in certain positions. It’s quite right to knock someone like Langdon’s DE when he was with us because most of his possessions were uncontested and we needed him to deliver high quality inside 50s.

 

[theGav56]

I’d be disappointed if Dawson had less than 95% DE given he only ever hand balled it two yards to a team mate…

…but that in itself is a good reason to be a bit more circumspect about DE as an effective measure for players in certain positions. It’s quite right to knock someone like Langdon’s DE when he was with us because most of his possessions were uncontested and we needed him to deliver high quality inside 50s.

Yeah, that does make the statistic look silly; comparing two very different players, different roles and areas of the ground, and both following the coaches instructions.

I don't mind stats and find them interesting when alongside other information. We know that Mundy getting low disposals is a very different game to him getting high disposals. Stats plus context. But the point that they are a very limited way to analyse AFL is well made.

 

[PurpleReign]

Please god let there be training today

(If only for some temporary reprieve from interminable DE discussions )

 

[theGav56]

Please god let there be training today

(If only for some temporary reprieve from interminable DE discussions )

Fair enough. I don't see them as unrelated. Pre-season is when we are trying to get an insight into how players, coaches and game plan are coming together. I've also felt that the club has been inclined to look at disposal as more important over recent drafts, in line with evolving game plan requirements. Pre-season is a good time to gauge that development.