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Question on the draft,how hard are you going in you draft year knowing if your fair dinkum flat out you will dead set finish at a s**t club.
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Gastro actually- other orifices were on fire.
Probably depends on how good you are. For middling players just getting drafted is the goal. For the best players they could possibly tank a little.Question on the draft,how hard are you going in you draft year knowing if your fair dinkum flat out you will dead set finish at a sh*t club.
We tried to move the game to Sunday from what I heard, and tried to helicopter in emergencies- NO GO.No good then do not play. End of....
I doubt anyone deny the importance of that group.
One can be lucky and find players that other clubs have passed over that develop into AA level players, but there has to be a high level of luck. Players picked at the sharp end of the draft are known commodities. Not certanties but imo, you juts can not suceed without at least one, probably more than one. Would Rich have beaten us without Martin? Does Melb look as good without Petrrica.Sooner or later, we will need to add kids from that spot in the draft.
Our 3 emergencies were at the ground and none of them played. Why do you think that is if we actually had players too sick to play?We tried to move the game to Sunday from what I heard, and tried to helicopter in emergencies- NO GO.
We were hamstrung.
Life is not always black and white.
You can upgrade those picks 14 to pick 5s by trading good players who wont be around for the next permiership tilt. I.e. a mitch duncan or cam guthrie or jeremy cameron.
Could also mention the ruckman who violated us in the Prelim. Except that he was taken at pick 34 which doesn't suit the argument.
Top 5 picks very rarely change hands..even if you offer players like that once they are at or over 30 almost no one will include a top 5 pick for you in the trade. So the top 5 picks people want are almost impossible for us to get. Picks in the late teens sure we can get those but are we honestly better off with picks in that range than the players we have? I reckon not.
We tried to move the game to Sunday from what I heard, and tried to helicopter in emergencies- NO GO.
We were hamstrung.
Life is not always black and white.
Very good question. Can not answer. Only quoted what I was told.Maybe there were so many involved that they hoped match day treatment may have got them over the line. Gastrostop, etc.Our 3 emergencies were at the ground and none of them played. Why do you think that is if we actually had players too sick to play?
As I said in a previous post, spare a thought for CS who in the space of 7 days could foresee the whole season plummeting without a meaningful contingency plan.Do hospitals encourage sick workers to still come to work? If they were legit not up to playing then Geelong should have pulled the pin.
To be fair, i’m sure he’s used it to after a decade of finals failure.As I said in a previous post, spare a thought for CS who in the space of 7 days could foresee the whole season plummeting downhill without a meaningful contingency plan.
As I said in a previous post, spare a thought for CS who in the space of 7 days could foresee the whole season plummeting downhill without a meaningful contingency plan.
Our 3 emergencies were at the ground and none of them played. Why do you think that is if we actually had players too sick to play?
I actually think the lesser draft picks are just as important as the high ones. Obviously early draft picks help if you have them, but every single one of those premiership teams had (and in Melbourne's case right now, have) a stack of very, very good footballers taken anywhere from picks 20 to 60 (and sometimes even later - Dylan Grimes going in the pre-season draft has to be one of the great 'wtf' decisions in modern recruiting).
To me it's gorging yourself at the draft table that matters. Take as many picks as possible, develop them, and be patient. It seems to work very very well. No other method works. At all.
Our 3 emergencies were at the ground and none of them played. Why do you think that is if we actually had players too sick to play?
I get the impression that Mackie is a little like SHocking- fairly strong, and ruthless. Could be wrong, but he impresses me every time he speaks.It's interesting the politics in regards to list management. I know that when geelong raised the financial offer to Cameron and GWS matched, Wells wanted to walk away but was overruled by others at the club. Wells is keen for a more balanced approach with a mix of drafting, trading and free agency. I'm curious to see what Mackie does from here
What did you think of Geelong in 04-06, and in the late 80's -90's?Because it's a copout used to excuse yet another pathetic finals performance, if anything the worst yet. Rather than face the reality that their decade-long strategy has not worked, it's easier to rationalise it with an endless list of reasons why losing is not only acceptable but admirable. You can include mystery illnesses, heavy training loads, and Dangerfield injuries (always after poor finals games) in that for starters.
It's interesting the politics in regards to list management. I know that when geelong raised the financial offer to Cameron and GWS matched, Wells wanted to walk away but was overruled by others at the club. Wells is keen for a more balanced approach with a mix of drafting, trading and free agency. I'm curious to see what Mackie does from here
What did you think of Geelong in 04-06, and in the late 80's -90's?
Our successful era:-
I honestly think everything came together as a result of a combination of factors-
-great draft picks- some luck,
-great F-S's- very lucky, GAJ, Scarlett, Hawkins- all 3 once in a generation type player.
-opportunistic pick of OTTENS and Mooney- shrewd,
-Costa/Cook/ Bomber- right time, really set us up fiscally and on field
-a perfectly selected captain in Harley who set the scene for the standards the best team in the comp would need to adhere to
-2 sets of core players maturing at the right time, with very few injuries- some luck
-Milburn, Chappy, Ling, Corey, Wojo, Hunt, Rooke,
-Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, SJ, Mackie, Lonegan
-And a sprinkling of peripheral brilliance in Varcoe, Stokes, Byrnes.
-It has not been without luck and opportunism.
-We lost 08 after a totally DOMINANT season.
-We won 09 by capitalising on opportunities.
-And in 2011, it all came together perfectly.
-In every GF we won, injuries were minimal
This is without a mention of recruiting a freak for 2007 , one who would captain our team a record number of times, and we will miss him soon enough when he retires- Selwood's input to our successes has been pivotal.
so you think if we offered up pick 14 and say a mitch duncan together the best we would get was pick 16-19?Top 5 picks very rarely change hands..even if you offer players like that once they are at or over 30 almost no one will include a top 5 pick for you in the trade. So the top 5 picks people want are almost impossible for us to get. Picks in the late teens sure we can get those but are we honestly better off with picks in that range than the players we have? I reckon not.
so you think if we offered up pick 14 and say a mitch duncan together the best we would get was pick 16-19?
the reason Its rare to get those top 10 picks is teams rarely offer up something that is worthy of them.
so you think if we offered up pick 14 and say a mitch duncan together the best we would get was pick 16-19?
the reason Its rare to get those top 10 picks is teams rarely offer up something that is worthy of them.