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The 94th Academy award nominations will be announced on Jan 24th US time and the awards are on March 12th.

Nominees for the majors below

BEST PICTURE
All Quiet on the Western Front
Avatar: The Way of Water
The Banshees of Inisherin
Elvis
Everything Everywhere All at Once
The Fabelmans
Tár
Top Gun: Maverick
Triangle of Sadness
Women Talking

BEST DIRECTOR
Martin McDonagh, “The Banshees of Inisherin”
Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Steven Spielberg, “The Fabelmans”
Todd Field, “Tár”
Ruben Ostlund, “Triangle of Sadness”

BEST ACTRESS

Cate Blanchett, “Tár”
Ana de Armas, “Blonde”
Andrea Riseborough, “To Leslie”
Michelle Williams, “The Fabelmans”
Michelle Yeoh, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”

BEST ACTOR
Austin Butler, “Elvis”
Colin Farrell, “The Banshees of Inisherin”
Brendan Fraser, “The Whale”
Paul Mescal, “Aftersun”
Bill Nighy, “Living”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Angela Bassett, “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever”
Hong Chau, “The Whale”
Kerry Condon, “The Banshees of Inisherin”
Jamie Lee Curtis, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Stephanie Hsu, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Brendan Gleeson, “The Banshees of Inisherin”
Brian Tyree Henry, “Causeway”
Judd Hirsch, “The Fabelmans”
Barry Keoghan, “The Banshees of Inisherin”
Ke Huy Quan, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”

CINEMATOGRAPHY
“All Quiet on the Western Front”
“Bardo, False Chronicle of a Handful of Truths”
“Elvis”
“Empire of Light”
“Tár”

EDITING
“The Banshees of Inisherin”
“Elvis”
“Everything Everywhere All at Once”
“Tár”
“Top Gun: Maverick”

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
“All Quiet on the Western Front”
“Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery”
“Living”
“Top Gun: Maverick”
“Women Talking”

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
“The Banshees of Inisherin”
“Everything Everywhere All at Once”
“The Fabelmans”
“Tár”
“Triangle of Sadness”
 
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Think RRR wasn't even nominated by India to be their film...
Exactly, feels like there is a case like this every year or so, although I'm sure these submission choices seem more sensible and representative internally than it might appear externally. Different perspectives and all. But in terms of awards season it was fun to have these ineligible wildcards creating chaos and crowding out the noise a bit.
 

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Think RRR wasn't even nominated by India to be their film...

Correct me if I'm wrong but India's failure to nom RRR in the Best International Feature Film category rendered it ineligible for Best Picture. This has previously led to “The Seven Samurai”, often chosen as the greatest 'foreign' language film of all time, not even being nominated for Best Foreign Film because Japan submitted “The Burmese Harp” instead. Not that I'm comparing those films. But it's all part of the quirks of the Oscars and why I don't take them particularly seriously.

The Academy Awards are pretty much a tribute to American made movies with the odd exception. You might find some good movies to watch in this list.

 

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Yeah the Oscars are a lot like the AFL’s All Australian team - it’s the opinion of a bunch of people I often disagree with, deciding who is “the best” in a subjective form of entertainment.

I still find them novel though, for some reason; maybe if only to compare my own (correct) opinions.
 

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It’s a pretty old and white and conservative establish and I guess credit to them for trying to develop a bit. Ultimately they need the nominees (or at least a bulk) to have been films people watched otherwise they’d die a slow death.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but India's failure to nom RRR in the Best International Feature Film category rendered it ineligible for Best Picture. This has previously led to “The Seven Samurai”, often chosen as the greatest 'foreign' language film of all time, not even being nominated for Best Foreign Film because Japan submitted “The Burmese Harp” instead. Not that I'm comparing those films. But it's all part of the quirks of the Oscars and why I don't take them particularly seriously.

The Academy Awards are pretty much a tribute to American made movies with the odd exception. You might find some good movies to watch in this list.


You are wrong. Not being nominated by its country for best foreign-language film doesn't disqualify it from being nominated for best picture.
 

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I think the main issue for me is the sheer proliferating amount of precursors that often feel more like groupthink predictors more than anything else. A couple have their own distinct legacies like Globes (which Critics' Choice tried to usurp in the last year or so of controversy), BAFTAs, the guilds, LAFCA, NYFCC, AFI, NBR, Indie Spirits, etc. but a lot of them are just really niche and regional and split with online critics and in terms of results a bit samey and pointless. The land of too many award shows, talk shows, etc.
 

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Top Gun: Maverick will not win Best Picture. And deservedly so, because of the nominess I saw in the list, they were better filmed, better acted and/or better directed than TG:M. EEAAO as an example is quite an experience, if it wins the Oscar I won't be unhappy.

But goddamn if I did not have fun watching a sequel to an actually fairly average 80s movie and become completely enthralled from the opening scene to the end even if the story is cliched, the political undertones problematic and Tom Cruise being a crazy mofo off-screen. It will be the one Oscar nominee from 2023 that I will be very happy to rewatch if it pops up on TV or when it's released streaming. Sometimes you just want a movie where you can turn most of your brain off and pump your fist at various scenes, and TG:M delivers better than most if not all action films on the past decade or so.
 

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I'm still more in love with TG1 (it's my third fave Cruise picture after Eyes Wide Shut and Legend). But for a 2022 sequel to a long ago film it's indeed a knockout.
 

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Top Gun: Maverick will not win Best Picture. And deservedly so, because of the nominess I saw in the list, they were better filmed, better acted and/or better directed than TG:M. EEAAO as an example is quite an experience, if it wins the Oscar I won't be unhappy.

But goddamn if I did not have fun watching a sequel to an actually fairly average 80s movie and become completely enthralled from the opening scene to the end even if the story is cliched, the political undertones problematic and Tom Cruise being a crazy mofo off-screen. It will be the one Oscar nominee from 2023 that I will be very happy to rewatch if it pops up on TV or when it's released streaming. Sometimes you just want a movie where you can turn most of your brain off and pump your fist at various scenes, and TG:M delivers better than most if not all action films on the past decade or so.
I'll enjoy watching the melts if Maverick wins BP.
 

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I think it really boils down to whether you think a nomination should only be for a film that can genuinely win or can be a recognition of a great piece of filmmaking.

Given the academy expanded to (up to) 10 nominees a few years ago I think it’s perfectly fine to have a few in there that we know won’t win. Personally I think Avatar is more offensive than Maverick but I’m also not offended by either.

If something like Women Talking wins personally I think that’s worse, has anyone seen that?
 

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You are wrong. Not being nominated by its country for best foreign-language film doesn't disqualify it from being nominated for best picture.

Fair enough. But perhaps it's a soft barrier. If a foreign movie doesn't get nominated for Best International then it would have a hard time nominating for Best Picture. I've not watched all the Best Picture nominations but I reckon RRR is a much better movie than Avatar 2, Fabelmans or Tar.
 

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I thought it went the other way, you can’t be nominated for best foreign picture if you’re nominated for best international. Hence Roma and Parasite.
 

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Fair enough. But perhaps it's a soft barrier. If a foreign movie doesn't get nominated for Best International then it would have a hard time nominating for Best Picture. I've not watched all the Best Picture nominations but I reckon RRR is a much better movie than Avatar 2, Fabelmans or Tar.
RRR wasn't in contention for best foreign film because the Indian film board (or whatever its called) put up another film. (Countries are only permitted to nominate one film.) Why did they do this? Probably because of internal, ethnically-driven politics. Anyway, Last Film Show (the film India did submit) made the shortlist of 15, so it wasn't an egregious decision.
 

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I thought it went the other way, you can’t be nominated for best foreign picture if you’re nominated for best international. Hence Roma and Parasite.

Did you mean best picture? because those are the same thing. The award for best international feature film was known as best foreign language film prior to 2020.

As far as I can tell, the eligibility for best international feature film is that it has to be produced by non-US citizens, made outside the United States, and has to be in a language other than English. This has led to a couple of quirks over the years. Apocalypto, which was made in Mexico and the dialog was all in Mayan, didn't qualify. The 1983 Algerian dance film Le Bal was nominated despite completely lacking dialog. The Nigerian film Lionheart wasn't eligible because it's mostly in English, which is their official language because it acts as a bridge between the 500 languages spoken there. Some people were not happy!

 

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RRR wasn't in contention for best foreign film because the Indian film board (or whatever its called) put up another film. (Countries are only permitted to nominate one film.) Why did they do this? Probably because of internal, ethnically-driven politics. Anyway, Last Film Show (the film India did submit) made the shortlist of 15, so it wasn't an egregious decision.

I meant a movie not getting nominated by its country in the international category would struggle to be seriously considered for best picture.

I loved both RRR and Last Film Show but think RRR is a better movie. But I can understand why Last Film Show got the Indian nomination for international picture. It's movie about movies and industry judges love that stuff.
 

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Did you mean best picture? because those are the same thing. The award for best international feature film was known as best foreign language film prior to 2020.

As far as I can tell, the eligibility for best international feature film is that it has to be produced by non-US citizens, made outside the United States, and has to be in a language other than English. This has led to a couple of quirks over the years. Apocalypto, which was made in Mexico and the dialog was all in Mayan, didn't qualify. The 1983 Algerian dance film Le Bal was nominated despite completely lacking dialog. The Nigerian film Lionheart wasn't eligible because it's mostly in English, which is their official language because it acts as a bridge between the 500 languages spoken there. Some people were not happy!


Nah everything in my post was wrong.

I meant I thought you couldn’t be nommed for both best international (or foreign) and best picture.

So I had a typo AND I was wrong.
 

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Did you mean best picture? because those are the same thing. The award for best international feature film was known as best foreign language film prior to 2020.

As far as I can tell, the eligibility for best international feature film is that it has to be produced by non-US citizens, made outside the United States, and has to be in a language other than English. This has led to a couple of quirks over the years. Apocalypto, which was made in Mexico and the dialog was all in Mayan, didn't qualify. The 1983 Algerian dance film Le Bal was nominated despite completely lacking dialog. The Nigerian film Lionheart wasn't eligible because it's mostly in English, which is their official language because it acts as a bridge between the 500 languages spoken there. Some people were not happy!


Guess they could put it in the Best Picture category then.
 

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Would Top Gun Maverick really be worthy of a best picture oscar?
It’s a lot more “worthy” than Shakespeare in love.

Everyone probably needs to chill with the reverence of the academy. It’s a great movie that isn’t a snowballs chance in hell of winning. It got nommed as recognition of what a fantastic all around achievement it was.
 

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So the academy is reviewing the procedures for nominations process because of…

Andrea Riseborough. Not Top Gun.
 

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