Jed Hagan has moved from Perth to be in our system and is an ideal candidate for a mid season spot.
Problem is we do not have a pick and sadly, a pick can only open up for a serious long term injury.
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Problem is we do not have a pick and sadly, a pick can only open up for a serious long term injury.
If you want something good, you need to give up something good.How do we get duursma?
Where we have a recent history of trading back into the draft.
I am not saying it will happen but both Bergman & Georgiades are out of contract and therefore are trade candidates (until signed).
Mean while we should make a big offer for Wagga born Harry Himmelburg, he can play either end and, is a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT.
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I wonder whether it wasn't fresh in his mind because he was considered this week.
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So apart from Aliir, zippo.
What I'm saying is can't we just use a late first rounder, second rounder on a KPD with upside.
Is it really that hard?
I mean Logan Austin, Pick 69; Dougal Howard Pick 56; Riley Grundy Pick 73 - playing for the Mount Lofty Devils this year ; Jake Pasini Rookie Draft 8; Sam Skinner - I think he was a FA.
Trent McKenize FA, Tom Jonas Rookie Pick 16.
That is a lot of late picks here for our KPD stocks and when I posted originally I was more interested in the time line with the 2018 crop of stars we have. I think if you are looking for seagulls in the backline, the back half of the draft is pretty good and we have done well but it helps a lot if you invest in some quality thoroughbreds for key position players.
It just seems obvious to me that we are completely bereft of KPDs of the right age and we haven't invested well recently in this area so we have to do desperate things like hope that Sam Skinner kicks on, etc.
I am a pretty big fan of the List Management Team but this is one of the areas for the current up and coming team that they have dropped the ball. The other is ruck but the jury is still out on that one.
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Howard left because we moved him forward where he sucked and then dropped him. If we'd kept him where he belonged and he'd been happy, there would have been no reason for the Saints to come hunting him.
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Kinda surprised Austin didnt make it tbh.
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We could perhaps try drafting a KPD in the first few rounds for a change? This has been an issue for years and all we have done is throw late round & rookie picks at it.
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Was about to post this.
If they wanted to address the KPD issue they should have used earlier picks on tall defenders and not wait till bargain basement development tall territory.
Instead we always draft in the early picks for flankers and smalls. We never use early picks to draft for structural needs.
Meanwhile theyve hung on to Hayes for apparently no reason as they were never going to play him even when Lycett is a corpse.
This is totally of their own doing. Our list management actually sucks. We are now littered with project talls and early draft pick flankers who are middling at best.
I agree with the majority of what you have said but not the last sentiment.
Our early draft picks are filled with good picks, good players, exciting types and they are usually not flankers, more midfield types.
We like to use the late rounds and rookie drafts for flankers and unfortunately it seems KPDs.
If you take early pick to mean pick 25 and start from 2016, we have:
2016 - Pick 16 Todd Marshall, Pick 18 Sam Powell-Pepper
2017 - No picks under 25
2018 - Pick 5 Connor Rozee, Pick 12 Zak Butters, Pick 18 Xavier Duursma
2019 - Pick 14 Miles Bergman, Pick 18 Mitch Georgiades, Pick 23 Dylan Williams, Pick 25 Jackson Mead F/S
2020 - Pick 16 Lachlan Jones NGA
2021 - Pick 12 - Josh Sinn
2022 - Pick 8 and 2023 First Rounder for Jason Horne-Francis
I wouldn't call that litter of players flankers and middling at best.
It is early draft picks so you should hit on more than you miss but we seem to go for out and out midfielders with real skill sets and KPFs.
Considering Connor is the only one in the top 10, Horne-Francis aside, it is a pretty damn good haul of players who should lead us to our next premierships.
But for me, it would be nice to have had 1 kinda maybe 2 KPD in that mix. No, just 1 I think.
They addressed it in 2023. I have high hopes for McCallum and the faster he develops, the more balanced our team will become.
And hopefully Pasini takes the next step.
Or we just throw cash at Ben McKay and hope he doesn't want to be with his twin brother at Carlton. I don't like those odds.
And for the record, I am super excited to see what Josh Sinn can bring to the team.
And if Bergman is back next year, he starts in the midfield.
Yeah, that is why I've said, late first and second round.
The gun midfielders and tall timber get drafted pretty quickly in the first rounds but there are gem KPDs in the second round constantly.
Yeah I agree we haven’t really had too many opportunities to select high end key defenders with early picks and I also think we’ve used our early picks really well.
I do think we could have prioritised drafting key defenders with mid to late picks more though.
Especially in an era where you can trade future picks for sliding players you like or fit needs.
Just off the top of my head and only counting local players all of Cox , petty Ballard and zerk thatcher went from pick 37 onwards.
Not to mention all the non-Sa talls we could have had a shot at like bazzo and more than I could name.
I do think we could have prioritised drafting key defenders with mid to late picks more though.
Especially in an era where you can trade future picks for sliding players you like or fit needs.
Just off the top of my head and only counting local players all of Cox , petty Ballard and zerk thatcher went from pick 37 onwards.
Not to mention all the non-Sa talls we could have had a shot at like bazzo and more than I could name.
I will use the 2017 AFL Draft because I know it reasonably well, it would have the player in the age bracket that Chris Davies talked about and it had a lot of KPDs in the mid rounds. And also because we decided to use an early 2nd round pick on Jack Watts.
Pick 25 - Noah Balta
Pick 28 - Sam Taylor
Pick 30 - Sam de Koning
Pick 33 - Tom McCartin
Pick 37 - Harrison Petty
And much later on,
Pick 66 - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
When it comes down to it, all I am saying is that I wish the club would have burned a decent pick or two on a KPD with upside during the list renewal of recent times. If you have an honest look at our list and if you listen to Chris Davies, they both say the same thing. And that is the thing about the interview, Davies states that we need a 25 year old KDP to plug into the team that can play right away. He forgets to mention that that error in drafting is on him and his team. Once again, that little bit of lack of accountability.
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Cox was selected in a year we had 3 first roundish picks and nothing else
Petty is the one had we not done the Watts trade we could have got.
Weve tried hard to get both back in recent years. Theres not a lot of others. Ballard was a wingman when drafted and is 3rd tall at best. Zerk would have been nice but hes no different to the players everyone whinging about - a late punt.
Our backline has been our best performing section of the ground for the last five years and the only reason that has changed now is because of Bassett going back there to coach.
Petty is the one had we not done the Watts trade we could have got.
Weve tried hard to get both back in recent years. Theres not a lot of others. Ballard was a wingman when drafted and is 3rd tall at best. Zerk would have been nice but hes no different to the players everyone whinging about - a late punt.
Our backline has been our best performing section of the ground for the last five years and the only reason that has changed now is because of Bassett going back there to coach.
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2017 was the last year there was decent KPDs picked outside pick 20, hence why i said, you cant pick what isnt there.
Petty would have been good, but its also easy to play captain hindsight too. At the time we had Clurey, Trengove, Hombsch, Howard, Austin, Lienert, Jonas and had just picked up Mckenzie as a FA who could all play KPD roles. Whilst we lost Trengove and Austin, having 6 capable KPD on our list was probably enough at the time
The development of Pasini, MacCallum and Marshall between now and the draft/trade period will go a long way towards deciding what we do.
As will who is coach.
If Ken is still here, or maybe even a succession plan, expect us to 100% trade for a mature KPD.
If we have a brand new coach they may decide to be patient with these 3 and spend our early picks on other needs.
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As will who is coach.
If Ken is still here, or maybe even a succession plan, expect us to 100% trade for a mature KPD.
If we have a brand new coach they may decide to be patient with these 3 and spend our early picks on other needs.
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De Konnking went after Miles and Mitch and before Williams.
No suggestion that he would be as good as he has been at Geelong though, had we got him. Much easier to be a defender with senior guns around you and with a midfield that is consistent and applies up field defence. Not to mention the narrow field.
Same can be said of Petty and lots of others.
To be fair, our defence has rarely been our issue. Sure maybe Sam Taylor could have stopped a couple of goals here or there, but, as happened in the prelim, if your midfield goes to water, no side defender stops that.
Davies rightly said our issue is that we don’t have a 24-27 yr old KPD ready to go. Clurey doesn’t seem up to it and Pasini/Marshall/McCallum are still developing. We tried to correct that but didn’t have the trade capital left.
No suggestion that he would be as good as he has been at Geelong though, had we got him. Much easier to be a defender with senior guns around you and with a midfield that is consistent and applies up field defence. Not to mention the narrow field.
Same can be said of Petty and lots of others.
To be fair, our defence has rarely been our issue. Sure maybe Sam Taylor could have stopped a couple of goals here or there, but, as happened in the prelim, if your midfield goes to water, no side defender stops that.
Davies rightly said our issue is that we don’t have a 24-27 yr old KPD ready to go. Clurey doesn’t seem up to it and Pasini/Marshall/McCallum are still developing. We tried to correct that but didn’t have the trade capital left.
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I forgot to add Himmelburg's parents have moved to Adelaide.
So, could both brothers be living in SA next year; it could be down to us and the Crows.
No doubt in my mind that we wanted Miles, Georgiadis and TDK that year, and got pipped by Geelong on TDK.
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