List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree there is a strong chance we will picks local lads - but I would rather others than Murphy. I see him as an Oscar Adams clone, who is very thin and doesnt have the frame to build the strength to play well at the next level for years. With his lack of muscle he is very much a long term project player. If we are seriously looking at a key defender with pick #40 a kid with a huge upside is Zane Zakostelsky (Cla, 196/89, KD). The WA kid who was a late stand out with a big body and fantastic athletic traits.

Zane Zakostelsky Draft Profile

Claremont tall Zane Zakostelsky has untapped potential as an athletic and versatile prospect who has entered the draft conversation.

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Simon Lethlean suggested throughout the year that he wanted to make Moorabbin the bayside recruiting zone, so I think within reason we will very keep a local flavour at the draft again. Particularly on the back of the Dragons successful years, you cant bottle players who have come through winning successful junior development programs. They just know how to win and what it takes to get there, it becomes ingrained in their in psyche. Plus adding more local lads to our already strong bayside past recruiting, Geelong have been doing it for years with endless sucess.

Accordingly the Sandringham kids to consider are - Charlie Edwards, Archie Roberts, Harvey Johnston, Will Lorenz, Will Brown, Luke Lloyd & Vigo Visenti. The Dandenong players we could also look at are - Harry DeMattia, Billy Wilson, Cooper Simpson & Sam Frangalas (all mids).

Just like the cluster of SA lads we have added to the list I think building a list with kids with local ties or clusters from other states has a lot of merit.

Harvey Johnston played a couple of Zebras games.
I didn't see the Hawks game, but he wasn't doing much in the Collingwood game.
He'd be some way off playing AFL seniors i'd say.

- Harvey Johnston

vfl.aflmstats.com

I think some of the Dandy guys look better.

Also.

Its pretty insane to limit our drafting to one suburb especially when all the other teams will also take the best players from there if they can.
I can't really think its anything but a dumb idea.

We can draft from anywhere in the Universe...and we will mostly look at one suburb of Melbourne.

 

[True Believer]

Harvey Johnston played a couple of Zebras games.
I didn't see the Hawks game, but he wasn't doing much in the Collingwood game.
He'd be some way off playing AFL seniors i'd say.

- Harvey Johnston

vfl.aflmstats.com

I think some of the Dandy guys look better.

Also.

Its pretty insane to limit our drafting to one suburb especially when all the other teams will also take the best players from there if they can.
I can't really think its anything but a dumb idea.

We can draft from anywhere in the Universe...and we will mostly look at one suburb of Melbourne.

Yes but the game isn't played all across the universe. I'm not advocating for us only drafting from one suburb, but you have to take the best talent available at your pick, and if that all happens to be in a local suburb, so be it. Wasn't there a period when an extraordinary amount of picks came from the Geelong Falcons (around the time we drafted Jack Steven)? And Sandy have been producing a tonne of picks recently (not surprising for an AFL heartland suburb).....

 

[stfan]

We can draft from anywhere in the Universe...and we will mostly look at one suburb of Melbourne.

Yes, why not pick a couple from Krypton. Could end up Supermen.

 

[stfan]

I'd be happy if we ended up with Edwards and Gothard with our first 2 picks. But this place might meltdown if we took a small forward in what is technically the first round.

Unfortunately where our picks are we may not have a good midfield option where our early picks are. Our first, and probably first two picks really need to be best available picks. The ability to pick swap may help, but our trading hand is fairly weak.

I think our list management team knew this and this was why getting Dow in this year was a priority, and also why they toyed with the idea of getting in Shiel, if he was cheap enough,

Mannagh pick as out third has the attraction that he can play forward and rotate through the midfield.

The sad reality is that getting the A Grade Midfield Talent we need via the draft will more likely be 2024/25 rather than in 2023. Or in hoping that Owens, Phillipou or possibly Windy can become that A Grade Midfield Talent.


Ross and Co want more speed, so I suspect that will colour our choices too. Though again just where our picks are will constrain what we can get. But it is also why both Dow and Henry were targeted as both have pace.

 

[SaintJunior]

Unfortunately where our picks are we may not have a good midfield option where our early picks are. Our first, and probably first two picks really need to be best available picks. The ability to pick swap may help, but our trading hand is fairly weak.

I think our list management team knew this and this was why getting Dow in this year was a priority, and also why they toyed with the idea of getting in Shiel, if he was cheap enough,

Mannagh pick as out third has the attraction that he can play forward and rotate through the midfield.

The sad reality is that getting the A Grade Midfield Talent we need via the draft will more likely be 2024/25 rather than in 2023. Or in hoping that Owens, Phillipou or possibly Windy can become that A Grade Midfield Talent.


Ross and Co want more speed, so I suspect that will colour our choices too. Though again just where our picks are will constrain what we can get. But it is also why both Dow and Henry were targeted as both have pace.

Spot on just pick the best player available at our selections . Pace can be a want but not sole factor.

Didn’t we pick Brad Howard as we wanted pace back in the day.

Would love Mannagh at our third selection so many players running around on an AFL list that are nowhere near as good a player as he is .

 

[snails13]

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Spot on just pick the best player available at our selections . Pace can be a want but not sole factor.

Didn’t we pick Brad Howard as we wanted pace back in the day.

Would love Mannagh at our third selection so many players running around on an AFL list that are nowhere near as good a player as he is .

Pretty sure Doulton Langlands was selected for his pace.
That selection didn't go well

 

[D2D3]

Unfortunately where our picks are we may not have a good midfield option where our early picks are. Our first, and probably first two picks really need to be best available picks. The ability to pick swap may help, but our trading hand is fairly weak.

I think our list management team knew this and this was why getting Dow in this year was a priority, and also why they toyed with the idea of getting in Shiel, if he was cheap enough,

Mannagh pick as out third has the attraction that he can play forward and rotate through the midfield.

The sad reality is that getting the A Grade Midfield Talent we need via the draft will more likely be 2024/25 rather than in 2023. Or in hoping that Owens, Phillipou or possibly Windy can become that A Grade Midfield Talent.


Ross and Co want more speed, so I suspect that will colour our choices too. Though again just where our picks are will constrain what we can get. But it is also why both Dow and Henry were targeted as both have pace.

From the looks of Twomey’s list there are plenty of good midfield options and the swans managed to pluck two midfield guns from the 30s in recent years so we need to stop acting like we need to have pick 5 to get one. People keep making the “best available” argument, the thing is it only when there is a clear stand out. Otherwise a lot of the nitty gritting of ranking is splitting hairs, especially if you’re comparing two players that play completely different roles well but you have to decide which you’re taking first. That depends a bit more on your philosophy, do you draft for need? Which ours has been clear as day for years. Do you draft the safest option? which is almost always a midfielder. Or do you value taking a risk on certain attributes? Which had been constant misses for us until Nas basically.

Remember even when we took Mccartin over Petracca we claimed we were taking “the best available”.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Unfortunately where our picks are we may not have a good midfield option where our early picks are. Our first, and probably first two picks really need to be best available picks. The ability to pick swap may help, but our trading hand is fairly weak.

I think our list management team knew this and this was why getting Dow in this year was a priority, and also why they toyed with the idea of getting in Shiel, if he was cheap enough,

Mannagh pick as out third has the attraction that he can play forward and rotate through the midfield.

The sad reality is that getting the A Grade Midfield Talent we need via the draft will more likely be 2024/25 rather than in 2023. Or in hoping that Owens, Phillipou or possibly Windy can become that A Grade Midfield Talent.


Ross and Co want more speed, so I suspect that will colour our choices too. Though again just where our picks are will constrain what we can get. But it is also why both Dow and Henry were targeted as both have pace.

Did you watch Charlie Edwards highlights, or Tholstrup or DeMattia all are quick and burst out of stoppages. Collard is another who is a lightning quick small forward/midfielder. Yes we might miss out on the higher rated kids in Sanders, Wilson or Windsor but there will still be plenty of talent available around our picks.

 

[gringo2011]

Did you watch Charlie Edwards highlights, or Tholstrup or DeMattia all are quick and burst out of stoppages. Collard is another who is a lightning quick small forward/midfielder.

There will definitely be some talent around our first 2 picks. Hopefully we get Edwards. I'm totally sold on him now.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Harvey Johnston played a couple of Zebras games.
I didn't see the Hawks game, but he wasn't doing much in the Collingwood game.
He'd be some way off playing AFL seniors i'd say.

- Harvey Johnston

vfl.aflmstats.com

I think some of the Dandy guys look better.

Also.

Its pretty insane to limit our drafting to one suburb especially when all the other teams will also take the best players from there if they can.
I can't really think its anything but a dumb idea.

We can draft from anywhere in the Universe...and we will mostly look at one suburb of Melbourne.

Did you read the post properly, I suggested recruit locally in itallics "within reason". Plus I qualified that with the sucess that the Dragons have had - you dont win back to back premierships without high quality players. Thats was not meant to exclude other options and the list of Sandringham and Dandenong players was just to highlight their talent nothing more.

Harvey Johnston is considered a late second round pick so we may consider him at pick #40 or later.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'd be happy if we ended up with Edwards and Gothard with our first 2 picks. But this place might meltdown if we took a small forward in what is technically the first round.

We're still kicking ourselves for not taking Shai Bolton with our 1st pick in 2016... not saying Collard is potentially on Shai's level but he was thought of as only a small forward going into that draft.

Hopefully Henry has the capability to be run through the midfield to give us a spark when we need it.

 

[sammm]

We're still kicking ourselves for not taking Shai Bolton with our 1st pick in 2016... not saying Collard is potentially on Shai's level but he was thought of as only a small forward going into that draft.

Hopefully Henry has the capability to be run through the midfield to give us a spark when we need it.

i wanted shai bolton, but then again i also wanted Aiden Bonar, so, i don't know anything!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes, why not pick a couple from Krypton. Could end up Supermen.

Best cat B Rookie ever.

 

[Wintle]

I think we should be having a serious look at boosting our ruck stocks. With this in mind we might have a good chance of picking up Wil Green, a 204 cm ruckman from the Northern Knights or maybe Mitch Edwards from WA who is apparently even taller at 206 cm.
Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

had a great season last year, but his strengths are more around the ground and his marking, not so much in winning the actual ruck contests.
In my view if we are to have designs on actually winning a premiership, we need to improve our ruck strength and I think recruiting another young ruckman has a lot of merit.

 

[Veer Right]

Zakostelsky looks a real prospect &, like Phillipou, will be one of the youngest players in the draft pool…he’s got a good frame on him already and apparently was extremely impressive at the draft combine

Only player i want so far.

I think if the club wants his services, we will have to use pick 21(pushed out) on him.

A number of clubs should be seriously looking at him and i hope we get in first before a rival does.

 

[dougiemac]

Yes, why not pick a couple from Krypton. Could end up Supermen.

Any good prospects from Uranus?

 

[Saints_87]

I think we should go 2 of these for first 2 picks if the good mids aren't available:
Demattia, Edwards, collard, Gothard and then pick 40 mannagh but if zakostelsky is say still there at late 20s early 30s then maybe trade pick 40 and future 3rd to go up the order for him.

 

[stfan]

Didn’t we pick Brad Howard as we wanted pace back in the day.

I think it was because one of our ex-players (G Cunningham?) was his coach at the time, and recommended him to Beveridge. And Beveridge was always the type of recruiter that would go for smokeys.

But yes very good athlete, but a poor footballer. Allison anyone?

 

[stfan]

Any good prospects from Uranus?

No, only shit ones.

 

[snails13]

Does anybody know what the AFL website are saying with the Saints likely to be one of the most active on Draft nights, likely to use 4 or 5 pucks

 

[SaintJunior]

I think it was because one of our ex-players (G Cunningham?) was his coach at the time, and recommended him to Beveridge. And Beveridge was always the type of recruiter that would go for smokeys.

But yes very good athlete, but a poor footballer. Allison anyone?

Had forgotten about the connection think it might have been Greaser Gary Odgers who was coach .

 

[DougalHoward]

Does anybody know what the AFL website are saying with the Saints likely to be one of the most active on Draft nights, likely to use 4 or 5 pucks

SOS said we'd use 3

 

[True Believer]

Does anybody know what the AFL website are saying with the Saints likely to be one of the most active on Draft nights, likely to use 4 or 5 pucks

Hockey?

 

[austinnn]

There will definitely be some talent around our first 2 picks. Hopefully we get Edwards. I'm totally sold on him now.

This is going to be Caleb Poulter all over again. Load up on a kid who looks exactly what we need, club passes on him with all its picks, he gets picked up by a rival club and is eventually delisted and picked up for free by another club.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Unfortunately where our picks are we may not have a good midfield option where our early picks are. Our first, and probably first two picks really need to be best available picks. The ability to pick swap may help, but our trading hand is fairly weak.

I think our list management team knew this and this was why getting Dow in this year was a priority, and also why they toyed with the idea of getting in Shiel, if he was cheap enough,

Mannagh pick as out third has the attraction that he can play forward and rotate through the midfield.

The sad reality is that getting the A Grade Midfield Talent we need via the draft will more likely be 2024/25 rather than in 2023. Or in hoping that Owens, Phillipou or possibly Windy can become that A Grade Midfield Talent.


Ross and Co want more speed, so I suspect that will colour our choices too. Though again just where our picks are will constrain what we can get. But it is also why both Dow and Henry were targeted as both have pace.

De Mattia’s pace out of the middle would be tasty.