List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I

[BrutThough]

I’m a Hayes fan but he’s too slow off the mark for full back…Caminiti on the other hand?

I wasn't even considering his attributes not suiting the role.

If he can recapture his form from pre-ACL, he opens so many possibilities fo the forward line - takes the load off Marshall, drags a defender away from King, means Owens doesn't have to ruck and can play more mid time.

 

[bird_man]

Twomey thinks Windsor is a top 11 talent and has admirers in the top 10.

HSun saying if he is at 11 the dees would be keen.

We need Essendon to take him at 9 and not trade back with Adelaide. That could * us

I'm hoping one of those clubs take him then and someone else slides.

I just can't see why he's a bolter to be honest. He averaged 15 touches a game in thr finals across 4 matches. I also think pure outside run isn't a huge need for us after getting NWM and Henry.

Wilson seems to have more strings to his bow.

I could be wrong though, I wasn't overly excited about the NWM selection at the time.

 

[bird_man]

Bont rings a bell. Halfback turned mid. De Geoy, Rozee, Butters, Shai Bolton, Jye Simpkin, Jack Steele were all forwards with the potential to be mids in their draft years.

Steele was dominating NEAFL games in the midfield as an 18 year old prior to being drafted.

It was tough for Tholstrup to get more midfield minutes playing senior footy though so it's more of an unknown than a lot of other players that have been drafted out of the 18's competition

 

[saintmike65]

Did he give you a name?

He gave us nothing

 

[stavro#4]

I'm hoping one of those clubs take him then and someone else slides.

I just can't see why he's a bolter to be honest. He averaged 15 touches a game in thr finals across 4 matches. I also think pure outside run isn't a huge need for us after getting NWM and Henry.

Wilson seems to have more strings to his bow.

I could be wrong though, I wasn't overly excited about the NWM selection at the time.

I want Wilson bar none.

But Twomey was talking up windsors aerobic game and his ability on the outside at top speed to hit targets and how good he was kicking for goal at full speed.

 

[GYoung]

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[gringo2011]

I want Wilson bar none.

But Twomey was talking up windsors aerobic game and his ability on the outside at top speed to hit targets and how good he was kicking for goal at full speed.

Windsor is real boom bust. He's either a Hawks like wingman or a spud. They tend to be higher bust rate than contested players but good ones are gold.

 

[Mavefromdelburn]

I'd love us to take Collard.
I understand the risks and players like him can be a bust, but so can anyone.
He's electric in his agility and a real arse on seats player.
Imagine him in a few years.

 

[StCicatriz]

Steele was dominating NEAFL games in the midfield as an 18 year old prior to being drafted.

It was tough for Tholstrup to get more midfield minutes playing senior footy though so it's more of an unknown than a lot of other players that have been drafted out of the 18's competition

worth noting subiacos midfield is hardly made up of seasoned veterans... they've gone through a rebuild and lost alot of talent to retirement and other clubs.

they made their colts coach their senior coach. he came in and has fostered the colts he coached and given them senior games. so there's been a clear focus to build from their underage players. this has resulted in other areas as well like their colts coach last year becoming a line coach in the senior side.

you take a look at whos been running through there and bar Kitchen and Zac Clark (Ruck) its pretty young and inexperienced. they're sitting between the ages of 20-24.

they also have a clear focus of rotating players through all lines. so you will get guys in the backline attending center bounces or mids going forward like kitchen. they throw things around massively now compared to say when schofield was there.

so where am i going with this? tholstrup is not having low minutes at senior level because of his age and everyone else is more established there. it's just that he doesn't have an impact in there. similar to greg clark when he first started. they'd throw him in for a fraction, he'd be ineffective, so he'd get more time where he was more effective. which was on the half back flank under schofield. he eventually managed to get time on the wing. it was only recently he managed to become effective inside, but he was not the bull of the subiaco midfield more an addition to it.

so it's no surprise he couldn't get it done for the eagles and is now back at subi.

and if i'm being blunt i think Greg Clark had more development and upside in him than Tholstrop i.e. i could see an AFL development system benefiting Clark more than Tholstop who i think is very close to the finished product. i guess what i am saying is Tholstrop is dont expect Tholstrop to develop or produce better football than he already is... i dont see this massive improvement coming. but if you are ok with him reaching a level not far from where he is then thats fine.

Tholstrop has been their defencive fwd who can push up... but he wasn't even the preferred option for the defencive fwd role, that guy got drafted to north mid-season.

 

[bird_man]

worth noting subiacos midfield is hardly made up of seasoned veterans... they've gone through a rebuild and lost alot of talent to retirement and other clubs.

they made their colts coach their senior coach. he came in and has fostered the colts he coached and given them senior games. so there's been a clear focus to build from their underage players. this has resulted in other areas as well like their colts coach last year becoming a line coach in the senior side.

you take a look at whos been running through there and bar Kitchen and Zac Clark (Ruck) its pretty young and inexperienced. they're sitting between the ages of 20-24.

they also have a clear focus of rotating players through all lines.

so where am i going with this? tholstrup is not having low minutes at senior level because of his age and everyone else is more established there. it's just that he doesn't have an impact in there. similar to greg clark when he first started. they'd throw him in for a fraction, he'd be ineffective, so he'd get more time where he was more effective. which was on the half back flank under schofield. he eventually managed to get time on the wing. it was only recently he managed to become effective inside, but he was not the bull of the subiaco midfield more an addition to it.

so it's no surprise he couldn't get it done for the eagles and is now back at subi.

Whatever you think of Subiaco's midfield, very rarely do you see 17 year old kids playing as inside midfielders at state league and if they are, they are likely talked up as a top tier talent.

I think his best position looks as a forward, but I think he showed enough in the midfield against players his own age to suggest there's some chance of him spending plenty of time in there.

At worst though I think he is going to be a pretty handy half forward.

 

[stavro#4]

Few more things of note from the Herald Sun:

It is understood the Demons are the only club to have made the mega trip down to Tholstrup’s hometown to interview the popular and physical game winner.
He could form one of the most exciting forward combinations in the league if he joins forces in red and blue with Kysaiah Pickett

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Kysaiah Pickett

Age

24

Ht

171cm

Wt

73kg

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M/F

Career

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Last 5

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8.0

2star

K

4.7

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HB

3.3

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M

0.7

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T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.7

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3.3

2star

M

0.7

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2.6

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8.0

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K

4.8

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3.2

3star

M

0.8

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T

2.4

4star

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0.8

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Curtin could also help compensate for the potential departure of Harry Petty if Adelaide is successful in bringing the South Australian tall home.
But several live trades on draft night could yet shake-up the order as rivals including Adelaide (pick 10) and Sydney (12) zero in on pick seven from GWS Giants.
Essendon (pick nine) has targeted key defender Connor O’Sullivan, but Adelaide and Sydney are plotting a move up the order to land O’Sullivan first and pip the Bombers if they can get seven.
Geelong is eyeing powerful forward Nate Caddy at pick eight to help secure a replacement for Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

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4.4

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M

5.5

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1.9

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2.1

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D

12.7

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8.6

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4.2

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If GWS complete a deal with Adelaide to slide back to pick 10, the Giants could secure classy outside midfielder Caleb Windsor at 10.
The Demons also have Windsor in the mix to help bolster their transition game, but would be ecstatic to secure Tholstrup if Windsor is already gone.
Versatile Tasmanian defender James Leake could also bolt into the top-10, while Geelong is also considering Murray midfielder Darcy Wilson and Essendon has kept tabs on WA defender Riley Hardeman if the Bombers slide back into the teens

 

[StCicatriz]

Whatever you think of Subiaco's midfield, very rarely do you see 17 year old kids playing as inside midfielders at state league and if they are, they are likely talked up as a top tier talent.

I think his best position looks as a forward, but I think he showed enough in the midfield against players his own age to suggest there's some chance of him spending plenty of time in there.

At worst though I think he is going to be a pretty handy half forward.

this is where you've lost me... I was adding more evidence to the statement you made:

"Steele was dominating NEAFL games in the midfield as an 18 year old prior to being drafted."

we are talking about a mid first round selection which is higher than where Jack Steele was selected. it's higher than where Zac Fisher was drafted and he was also getting high numbers in seniors for Perth.

it's worth looking at the bodies of the inside mids being discussed that were at subi:




Dom Sheed and Greg Clark both got inside mid minutes, both were very slight physically.



tholstrop is much more advanced. he's bigger through the legs. more advanced in his development.

you're essentially talking about taking Tholstrop around the same point as Dom Sheed.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I'm hoping one of those clubs take him then and someone else slides.

I just can't see why he's a bolter to be honest. He averaged 15 touches a game in thr finals across 4 matches. I also think pure outside run isn't a huge need for us after getting NWM and Henry.

Wilson seems to have more strings to his bow.

I could be wrong though, I wasn't overly excited about the NWM selection at the time.

I don’t really disagree, but it’s probably a combo of his improvement, plus he has both serious wheels and a great leg. He just may not be one of those huge accumulators. I’m actually on the Thongstrap wagon too, but Wilson would be nice.

 

[bird_man]

this is where you've lost me... I was adding more evidence to the statement you made:

"Steele was dominating NEAFL games in the midfield as an 18 year old prior to being drafted."

we are talking about a mid first round selection which is higher than where Jack Steele was selected. it's higher than where Zac Fisher was drafted and he was also getting high numbers in seniors for Perth.

it's worth looking at the bodies of the inside mids being discussed that were at subi:




Dom Sheed and Greg Clark both got inside mid minutes, both were very slight physically.



tholstrop is much more advanced. he's bigger through the legs. more advanced in his development.

you're essentially talking about taking Tholstrop around the same point as Dom Sheed.

Yep, Jack Steele was also passed on in his draft year was drafted as an overager. It was then in the second half of the following year when he really started to dominate in thr NEAFL, which wasn't an overly strong competition at the time.

It's been a few years since Dom Sheed was drafted. I'm sure if you try hard enough you'll find a few more youngsters that played state league midfield but it's rare and for the record, Sheed averaged 14 touches at senior level.

Again, I'm not suggesting I think he's going to go on and become an elite full time mid, just don't think suggesting because he's not having an impact at senior level in the WAFL while his counterparts are all playing against 17 year olds that it means it won't ever happen for him in some way or another.

As I said, he looked to have a pretty decent impact in there against kids his own age, even if it was only as an impact player.

I understand you are not a fan, but plenty seem to be. Melbourne have a pretty good record with picks around that mark of late and they seem pretty keen on him. I think he will be a player.

 

[stavro#4]

Yep, Jack Steele was also passed on in his draft year was drafted as an overager. It was then in the second half of the following year when he really started to dominate in thr NEAFL, which wasn't an overly strong competition at the time.

It's been a few years since Dom Sheed was drafted. I'm sure if you try hard enough you'll find a few more youngsters that played state league midfield but it's rare and for the record, Sheed averaged 14 touches at senior level.

Again, I'm not suggesting I think he's going to go on and become an elite full time mid, just don't think suggesting because he's not having an impact at senior level in the WAFL while his counterparts are all playing against 17 year olds that it means it won't ever happen for him in some way or another.

As I said, he looked to have a pretty decent impact in there against kids his own age, even if it was only as an impact player.

I understand you are not a fan, but plenty seem to be. Melbourne have a pretty good record with picks around that mark of late and they seem pretty keen on him. I think he will be a player.

Fair trip to make if you aren’t absolutely keen on the kid

 

[bird_man]

Fair trip to make if you aren’t absolutely keen on the kid

Yep, I'd be surprised if they didn't take him. Seems like a good fit for them also.

 

[Jade Buddha]

I hope we are not going to make the same mistake with taking other clubs castoffs.

You mean like Mason Wood?

 

[BrutThough]

we are talking about a mid first round selection which is higher than where Jack Steele was selected.

Steele was bid on by North Melbourne at pick 15 - a mid first round selection - but the rules that year allowed GWS to take him with their next available pick.

 

[stfan]

Bont rings a bell. Halfback turned mid.

In his draft year he was playing mid, and played there very well, and then played hb.

2013 Draft Profile: Marcus Bontempelli

Marcus Bontempelli (Northern Knights) Height: 191 cm Weight: 83 kg Position: Midfield/Half Back Player Comparison: Luke Hodge/David Myers Strengths: Long kicking, reading the play, ability to rack up the ball Weaknesses: Predominantly an outside player, consistency Marcus Bontempelli is an...

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DeGoey mid

2014 Draft Profile: Jordan De Goey

Jordan De Goey (Oakleigh Chargers) Height: 187 cm Weight: 82 kg Position: Midfielder Player Comparison: Jack Billings (less classy) Strengths: Long kicking, contested marking, x-factor Areas needing improvement: Tackling, finding more of the football De Goey is a player who seems to be a jack of...

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And it reads like Rozee was used in outside roles in his last year as he was lightly framed and playing against men. Our now head recruiter Toce was very keen on him and reportedly wanted him over King.

Connor Rozee Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Super talented and athletic South Australian whose speed and skill allows him to play a multitude of roles."

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[stavro#4]

Yep, I'd be surprised if they didn't take him. Seems like a good fit for them also.

I’m going to be devastated if Wilson doesn’t fall to us now.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I’m going to be devastated if Wilson doesn’t fall to us now.

Prepare yourself

 

[BarkerFan]

In his draft year he was playing mid, and played there very well, and then played hb.

2013 Draft Profile: Marcus Bontempelli

Marcus Bontempelli (Northern Knights) Height: 191 cm Weight: 83 kg Position: Midfield/Half Back Player Comparison: Luke Hodge/David Myers Strengths: Long kicking, reading the play, ability to rack up the ball Weaknesses: Predominantly an outside player, consistency Marcus Bontempelli is an...

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DeGoey mid

2014 Draft Profile: Jordan De Goey

Jordan De Goey (Oakleigh Chargers) Height: 187 cm Weight: 82 kg Position: Midfielder Player Comparison: Jack Billings (less classy) Strengths: Long kicking, contested marking, x-factor Areas needing improvement: Tackling, finding more of the football De Goey is a player who seems to be a jack of...

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And it reads like Rozee was used in outside roles in his last year as he was lightly framed and playing against men. Our now head recruiter Toce was very keen on him and reportedly wanted him over King.

Connor Rozee Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Super talented and athletic South Australian whose speed and skill allows him to play a multitude of roles."

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We seems to be in an awkward spot. The top 12 (outside academy) seems pretty set and then it becomes messier... look at Twomey top 20 rankings without academy. I would be happy if any top 12 slid to us. After that will we go with Edwards? I doubt we take Hardemen. Who knows though, maybe Toce likes someone in that 13-16 range


1. Reid
2. Duursma
3. McKerccher
4. Watson
5. Curtain
6. Sanders
7. Caddy
8. osulllivan
9. Windser
10. Leake
11. Wilson
12. Tholstrup

13. Hardeman
14. Collard
15. Demattia
16. Edwards
17, Jiath
18. Roberts
19. Murphy
20. Green

 

[austinnn]

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Billy McGee Galimberti - that's a hell of a name, I hope he's got nothing to do with either Scotland or Italy and is instead a Russian-Sudanese dual citizen just to blow people's minds.

 

[sunny3193]

Billy McGee Galimberti - that's a hell of a name, I hope he's got nothing to do with either Scotland or Italy and is instead a Russian-Sudanese dual citizen just to blow people's minds.

Italian heritage red neck from Tennessee?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Well at least Monday night will be interesting to follow.

So many variable's at play - I doubt anyone has a really clear idea how the first round picks will pan out.