List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[Lampers]

Yeah I think the whole waiting on key forwards things is a little bit of a myth. They show talent early enough to spot. They might not be at their best early but if they're s**t for the first couple years it's normally cause they're s**t. I know Jefferson is probably 5th banana and very skinny but you'd like him to show more.

I’ve seen some good signs with Jefferson. Very sticky fingers and judges the ball well in the air. He looks a very sound set shot kick. But I haven’t seen much beyond that aside from he seems to get into dangerous spots for easy over the top goals.

But as others have pointed out he’s hampered by three of four of JVR, Schache, Brown, McDonald, J.Smith and Melksham hanging about in the VFL. There was one game he was coming all the way into defensive 50 to get involved.

He goes for long periods without being sighted but there’s only so many opportunities in a game and there is so much other forward competition.

His body isn’t as far off as I thought it might be, but his target or be a semi-regular would be 2025.

Melksham will retire at the end of this year. Hopefully one or both of Tmac and Brown pull the pin and you can rely on Smith to be injured quite a bit. If Jefferson is second or third target for Casey in 2024 and stinks it up week after week I’d be concerned.

 

[Tulip]

Yeah I think the whole waiting on key forwards things is a little bit of a myth. They show talent early enough to spot. They might not be at their best early but if they're s**t for the first couple years it's normally cause they're s**t. I know Jefferson is probably 5th banana and very skinny but you'd like him to show more.

I would usually agree with you here, the good ones show signs even when raw, but we drafted a guy who is particularly skinny and hard to get a read on.

 

[Tulip]

Wondering whether we can flip the script on the KPFs a bit and look at getting a decent KPD in. Whether they allow Petty to play forward, or play next to him down back when May retires, I feel like there's more of them out there than KPFs. We also don't really have the cap space for a big name, I guess.

Andrew is a good shout. I have seen bits and pieces from him; he's definitely weak but he's also played some promising footy. With what they're tryuing to do culturally, I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go provided the offer was ok.

Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

seems like another decent option - very much a cheap right now option at 30 but is just a victim of Freo's crazy KPD depth.

Assuming McKay and Himmelberg would demand too much, but jeez that'd be nice.

 

[The Dr]

Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

is still on a list? Wow


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[Tulip]

Joel Hamling is still on a list? Wow


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He's only 30. Not sure why he's hung round at Freo, although I imagine he signed a big contract a few years ago before Cox and Ryan broke out.

 

[Johnny Karate]

He's only 30. Not sure why he's hung round at Freo, although I imagine he signed a big contract a few years ago before Cox and Ryan broke out.

My understanding is that he is cooked but is basically on the list to see out a contract/not sue the club.

 

[schmuttt]

Honestly Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

at North is probably worth a look. Would help shore up the back six for the next few years and we can play Petty forward permanently.

 

[Tulip]

Honestly Ben McKay at North is probably worth a look. Would help shore up the back six for the next few years and we can play Petty forward permanently.

Other clubs are apparently offering him well above market value. The KPP scarcity is pretty much league wide aside from the Crows.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Zurhaar and Larkey are both pre-agents. Would you look at either of them?

 

[MarcMaverick]

Zurhaar and Larkey are both pre-agents. Would you look at either of them?

Hard pass on Zurhaar

Larkey maybe.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Zurhaar and Larkey are both pre-agents. Would you look at either of them?

Both are guns. Would absolutely love them.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Both are guns. Would absolutely love them.

Surely you can come up with a VERY FAIR trade scenario for North, Johnny.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Surely you can come up with a VERY FAIR trade scenario for North, Johnny.

Tom McDonald and BBB for Zurhaar and Larkey and Ben Mckay

 

[schmuttt]

Hard pass on Zurhaar

Larkey maybe.

Why not Zurhaar?

 

[MarcMaverick]

Why not Zurhaar?

Dunno the vibe maybe.

Eh, lets try Zurhaar.

 

[mrmonkey]

Dunno the vibe maybe.

Eh, lets try Zurhaar.

It's his sideburns isn't it

 

[MarcMaverick]

It's his sideburns isn't it

Needs to shave them stat and get a crew cut like Johnny Unitas. That's a look you can set your watch to.

 

[Tulip]

Lmao Larkey is going to be elite, no chance we could afford him

 

[markm106]

Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

would be a great get for us. But more sure if he was going to leave we’d have the $. He’ll make bank on this next deal. Unless we can get him to come over with the motivation to play for less for potential success. But clubs seem to work contracts in no matter what. Would solve some issues for us though.

 

[danster168]

I would've thrown the 600k that we used on grundy and put it towards a monster offer to Larkey. No point dwelling though. Both of those Kangaroos forwards are great players. Zurhaar makes guys walk taller too.

 

[Lord Nev]

Tom McDonald and BBB for Zurhaar and Larkey and Ben Mckay

 

[Bluelegs]

Larkey just re-signed for five years.

 

[Topkent]

Larkey just re-signed for five years.

We were 0 chance of getting him anyway so not surprises

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

We were 0 chance of getting him anyway so not surprises

This shouldn't put us off and we should still ask North the question, try and tempt them with a package of TMac, Ben Brown, Harmes and James Jordon. Two KPFs are better than one and two mids in their prime would be hard to say no to.

 

[Bluelegs]

This shouldn't put us off and we should still ask North the question, try and tempt them with a package of TMac, Ben Brown, Harmes and James Jordon. Two KPFs are better than one and two mids in their prime would be hard to say no to.

Careful, we might have to include one of those guys in the Butters deal.