List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[BaliDemon]

When was the last time a star player moved from a Victorian club to another that weren't happy to let him go Last time we got a star player from another Vic club was probably Peter Moore or something. Not gonna happen

How do you know they’re desperate to keep him? Seems to me they’ve got a glut of key talls and ruck/forwards whom they can’t possibly stuff successfully into a 22.
Jamarra, Lobb, Darcy all signed up long term. If they manage to convince English to stay (and pay through the nose for him) Naughton looks vulnerable to me.

 

[TheBoss]

When was the last time a star player moved from a Victorian club to another that weren't happy to let him go
Last time we got a star player from another Vic club was probably Peter Moore or something. Not gonna happen

Adam Saad. Bummers low balled him then went into desperation mode when he nominated a trade to Carlton

 

[pjfairbairn]

How do you know they’re desperate to keep him? Seems to me they’ve got a glut of key talls and ruck/forwards whom they can’t possibly stuff successfully into a 22.
Jamarra, Lobb, Darcy all signed up long term. If they manage to convince English to stay (and pay through the nose for him) Naughton looks vulnerable to me.

They do have FS prospect Croft coming in this year too - but I would think that they would love to keep Naughten. I agree with Topkent, I can't see him going to another Victorian team but potentially back to WA or up to NSW

 

[SugarHealey]

Apart from Hamish Blake, yes.

Who ?

 

[SugarHealey]

I think Brown and Melksham retire at years end. Jordon, Harmes and Dunstan will be traded/delisted.

All of a sudden there's a huge hole in our midfield depth and also Tall forward stocks.

I'd be chasing more midfield talent but not entirely sure what's out their that could fit into our midfield brigade. Key forwards? Naughton maybe? Even asking the question on Oscar Allen wouldn't hurt...

From a draft perspective, Durrsma, Ryley Sanders, Colby McKercher, Cooper Simpson are genuine midfield talent that we'll closely look with our early picks imo.

For a possible Rnd 1 pick. I like the way Archer Reid moves about, and rucks. footy IQ.

 

[SugarHealey]

Just hit the draft, IMO. All the key pillars are in place, and we don't want to be caught with our pants down in 2 years when May and Gawn retire. Hit the draft now, negate the need to rebuild heavily in a couple of years, stay in the pointy end of the 8, and then hit the trade market/FA when the time comes as we did with Lever and May.

Not fussed if we trade the picks for Reid, as the media indicates is likely, either to be honest. One gun young mid who can kick would transform our forward line "connection".

Totally agree; particularly in strong draft years.

 

[TheBoss]

I rather flip draft capital for players who can contribute and make an impact round 1 next year.

We’re in a flag window with the most talented list we will ever likely witness in our lifetime. I want more than 1 flag and/or GF appearances.

We don’t need more first round picks that can’t get a game after 3 years of seasoning like Laurie.

 

[BaliDemon]

I rather flip draft capital for players who can contribute and make an impact round 1 next year.

We’re in a flag window with the most talented list we will ever likely witness in our lifetime. I want more than 1 flag and/or GF appearances.

We don’t need more first round picks that can’t get a game after 3 years of seasoning like Laurie.

Agree.

This Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Gawn/Grundy combo has 3-5 more years to win a couple more flags. Add May/Lever/Salem to those 26-30yo guys and clearly our time is now. I would prefer we parlay our three first rounders this year into two quality best 22 players recruited for immediate impact. A key forward (ie. Naughton) and a pacy midfield/wing rotation player (upgrade on Hunter) would be ideal.

Load up and give this once in a generation defence and midfield repeated cracks at a second and third flag.

 

[Lord Nev]

I rather flip draft capital for players who can contribute and make an impact round 1 next year.

We’re in a flag window with the most talented list we will ever likely witness in our lifetime. I want more than 1 flag and/or GF appearances.

We don’t need more first round picks that can’t get a game after 3 years of seasoning like Laurie.

But we also need to be planning for 2026 and beyond. By then, May, Viney and Gawn will likely be gone, Trac, Langdon, Hunter, Salem, Lever and Gus passed their prime, and we'll obviously lose Hibberd, Brown and TMac over this year and next.

Yes, we need to capitalize on the current list, but that's up to the coaches and the ability to keep adding some quality with deals like the Hunter and Grundy ones mostly. If we don't get some high quality in the draft over the next 2-3 years then all of a sudden we're left rebuilding around JVR (likely a gun), Petty (likely a good player), then fringe types like Sparrow, Bowey, Laurie, McVee, Howes, Jefferson etc, who are good decent potentials but they're not a premiership core.

It's a balancing act, but we absolutely can't sacrifice our future.

 

[BaliDemon]

We’ll have 3 picks in the top 25 this year, but they are by no means pointy end picks in the top 7 of the draft.

Bringing in two proven 22-25yo’s with 50 - 100 games under their belt, players with a solid 5 years of top line football ahead of them, is what we need. That’s not ‘sacrificing the future’ - it’s shoring it up by ensuring the MFC remains a destination club for trades and free agents for the next decade. This strategy has underpinned Geelong’s dominance for close to two decades.

The prospect of three x 18yos picked in the teens of the draft is a very risky strategy given all will need 2-3 apprenticeships and one is statistically almost guaranteed not to make it (ie. Laurie)

We risk squandering this Golden Generation of Melbourne stars going down that path.

 

[CTHORANGE]

When was the last time a star player moved from a Victorian club to another that weren't happy to let him go
Last time we got a star player from another Vic club was probably Peter Moore or something. Not gonna happen

One that jumps to my mind is Nathan Brown, bulldogs to richmond, plenty rated him a star while at the bulldogs

 

[Bluelegs]

One that jumps to my mind is Nathan Brown, bulldogs to richmond, plenty rated him a star while at the bulldogs

Luke Ball

 

[Bluelegs]

Dale Thomas as well although his body fell apart the moment he got to Carlton.

 

[stEdy]

We got Hibberd from the Dons who then had an AA year with us - but the drug scandal was a pretty unique situation

 

[Topkent]

Adam Saad. Bummers low balled him then went into desperation mode when he nominated a trade to Carlton

Not even close to the level of player Naughton is so proves my point.

 

[Topkent]

One that jumps to my mind is Nathan Brown, bulldogs to richmond, plenty rated him a star while at the bulldogs

Small club to power club and a huge pay rise

Luke Ball

Small club to power club, was never traded though he was basically one of only 2 players ever with Nick Stevens to go to the draft and if Naughton went to the draft WC would take him

Dale Thomas as well although his body fell apart the moment he got to Carlton.

Dale Thomas was cooked before he got to Carlton that's why Collingwood was happy to let him go


Behind Bont Naughton is the dogs second star he ain't leaving to come to us. It's about as stupid as the rumours Trac was going to Collingwood

 

[Bluelegs]

Small club to power club, was never traded though he was basically one of only 2 players ever with Nick Stevens to go to the draft and if Naughton went to the draft WC would take him

Doesn't really matter that he went to the draft, it's rare and doesn't really have anything to do with the two clubs being victorian.

Anyway I don't see any club running the gauntlet these days when a star of that level is on the table. Dunkley to Brisbane got done even though the Dogs dragged their feet.

You're right that player-led movement between same city teams is rare though.

 

[Topkent]

Doesn't really matter that he went to the draft, it's rare and doesn't really have anything to do with the two clubs being victorian.

Anyway I don't see any club running the gauntlet these days when a star of that level is on the table. Dunkley to Brisbane got done even though the Dogs dragged their feet.

You're right that player-led movement between same city teams is rare though.

I'm not saying Naughton won't go home to WA, I'm saying he won't leave the Bulldogs for us.

 

[Bluelegs]

I'm not saying Naughton won't go home to WA, I'm saying he won't leave the Bulldogs for us.

I know, I agree. Was just thinking about examples of players moving between Melbourne clubs cause you brought it up.

 

[Topkent]

I know, I agree. Was just thinking about examples of players moving between Melbourne clubs cause you brought it up.

Goddard, Colbert etc. But even those there's specific circumstances with most of them as well. Frawley et

 

[Bluelegs]

Goddard, Colbert etc. But even those there's specific circumstances with most of them as well. Frawley et

Early days free agency was a funny time. Lotta players were keen to test the waters.

 

[Topkent]

Early days free agency was a funny time. Lotta players were keen to test the waters.

We should be looking at guys from Sydney and GWS. Amartey, Himmelberg, That other tall from Sydney who isn't McDonald but is good etc.

 

[Bluelegs]

We should be looking at guys from Sydney and GWS. Amartey, Himmelberg, That other tall from Sydney who isn't McDonald but is good etc.

I agree but some of the talk around what these guys are worth is insane. Himmelberg 800-900k etc. Crazy money but there's a dearth of good talls around.

These days clubs just sign their Free Agents up a year early and the players take it cause they don't wanna risk doing an ACL for a little more on their next contract.

 

[Topkent]

I agree but some of the talk around what these guys are worth is insane. Himmelberg 800-900k etc. Crazy money but there's a dearth of good talls around.

These days clubs just sign their Free Agents up a year early and the players take it cause they don't wanna risk doing an ACL for a little more on their next contract.

Himmelberg is probably happy to stay for 600k at GWS, manager probably searching for a raise elsewhere. He's not worth 900k I agree be hard to justify paying Fritsch/Petty 500ish to then pay Himmelberg double that. We need a key back badly IMO though. May doesn't look like he's moving how he is and if he goes out we look insanely thin.

 

[Crusty Demon]

We got Hibberd from the Dons who then had an AA year with us - but the drug scandal was a pretty unique situation

Hibberd, Melk, Ben Brown, Brodie Grundy, Lachie Hunter all great players at times with their previous clubs in Victoria. For the right price and circumstance, players definitely move from club to club same state. We can satisfy club with a strong draft hand, but do we have enough $$? Brown, TMac, Melk retiring will help.

Not sure Naughton is gettable. I personally think he's a better CHB than forward. WCE will be all over him and could probably find a lot more cash than us.