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List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

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OOC players:
  • Michael Hibberd (retired)
  • Deakyn Smith (delisted)
  • Andy Moniz-Wakefield
  • Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
  • Luke Dunstan (retired)
  • James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
  • Kye Turner (delisted)
Traded out:
  • James Harmes (Bulldogs)
  • Brodie Grundy (Sydney)
Traded in:
  • Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
  • Jack Billings (St Kilda)
  • Shane McAdam (Adelaide)
Drafted:
  • Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
  • Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
  • Kynan Brown (Rookie)
 
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Would trade Oliver, he could help us snare JUH would do it in a heartbeat. All for it.

People say his a great player but AFL is a team sport and you need a balanced team to win premiership. Having a whole bunch of A grade inside mids won’t win you flags as what we are seeing.
 
“I’ve always said to the player group - I said it to the Sydney guys at the end of every year and I’ve said it to the Melbourne guys tonight - every player is tradeable in my view,’’ - Paul Roos
 
Lord Nev said:
So we're trading Oliver for Ben King now apparently... Yikes.

It's interesting watching the evolution on footy boards of opinions. They go from 'Oliver is not a good kick, but still a gun' to 'Oliver gets big numbers but doesn't do damage' to 'Oliver isn't that good anyway' to 'We're better without Oliver' to 'Trade Oliver for Ben King' as posters dig in and double down on their opinions.

Then the mental gymnastics kicks in with 'one player doesn't make a team' (intriguing given the trade suggestion is trading him for one player), 'we have inside mid depth anyway' from the same posters who bag out Trac, Viney, Sparrow, Jordon (leaving) and Harmes (leaving), and then the pearler 'we won games without him' as if we haven't won games previously without any of our other gun players.

It's jump the shark territory now.
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I didnt suggest Ben King, not how id use what we get back...would much rather we fix the midfield balance in the draft, get Duursma and McKercher early, take O'Sullivan a few picks later ~9 or 10. I think Chol is a far better/less expensive option if we wanted to address KPF.

Inside mids pop up on the trade market all the time, it is easy to fix if we are concerned about it. Pies have Adams and Mitchell in their starting midfield as an example. The Crouch's were being given away for penny's on the dollar at one time. Use later/rookie draft picks on some inside mids to build depth.
 
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Mich0 said:
Would trade Oliver, he could help us snare JUH would do it in a heartbeat. All for it.

People say his a great player but AFL is a team sport and you need a balanced team to win premiership. Having a whole bunch of A grade inside mids won’t win you flags as what we are seeing.
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Your fascination with JUH is bizarre to me. What am I missing? He isn't very good. He is flaky as **** in fact, typifies the Bulldogs beautifully.
 
Lord Nev said:
So we're trading Oliver for Ben King now apparently... Yikes.

It's interesting watching the evolution on footy boards of opinions. They go from 'Oliver is not a good kick, but still a gun' to 'Oliver gets big numbers but doesn't do damage' to 'Oliver isn't that good anyway' to 'We're better without Oliver' to 'Trade Oliver for Ben King' as posters dig in and double down on their opinions.

Then the mental gymnastics kicks in with 'one player doesn't make a team' (intriguing given the trade suggestion is trading him for one player), 'we have inside mid depth anyway' from the same posters who bag out Trac, Viney, Sparrow, Jordon (leaving) and Harmes (leaving), and then the pearler 'we won games without him' as if we haven't won games previously without any of our other gun players.

It's jump the shark territory now.
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Suggest you read the post again. Never said I'd do Oliver for King in a straight swap, would want something on top. But it was just an example of a trade that could be made to address a need whilst still maintaining a strong draft hand that could be used to fill the other holes on the list.
 
Remember all the lol reacts we got thru the course of the season for saying Melbourne aren't doing anything this year come finals time... I really enjoyed them. You should be able to lol react to a lol react.
 
pjfairbairn said:
I just can't fathom the idea of trading Oliver. I want to have a crack at a gun KPF but think we have enough currency with draft picks (this year and next) and enough cap room to do this without giving up arguably our 2nd or 3rd best player.
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So you think Jefferson will be a bust and Petty should play back?
 
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A11dAtP0w3R said:
Remember all the lol reacts we got thru the course of the season for saying Melbourne aren't doing anything this year come finals time... I really enjoyed them. You should be able to lol react to a lol react.
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Or the photos of Melbourne being top of the ladder therefore we had to be the best team in the competition and anyone who didn't agree was a Melbourne hater
 
Bluelegs said:
“I’ve always said to the player group - I said it to the Sydney guys at the end of every year and I’ve said it to the Melbourne guys tonight - every player is tradeable in my view,’’ - Paul Roos
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Roosy is 100% correct. Can tell hes a fan of American sports where stars are traded all the time. Australian sports fans get far too hung up on their heroes.
 
Lord Nev said:
So we're trading Oliver for Ben King now apparently... Yikes.

It's interesting watching the evolution on footy boards of opinions. They go from 'Oliver is not a good kick, but still a gun' to 'Oliver gets big numbers but doesn't do damage' to 'Oliver isn't that good anyway' to 'We're better without Oliver' to 'Trade Oliver for Ben King' as posters dig in and double down on their opinions.

Then the mental gymnastics kicks in with 'one player doesn't make a team' (intriguing given the trade suggestion is trading him for one player), 'we have inside mid depth anyway' from the same posters who bag out Trac, Viney, Sparrow, Jordon (leaving) and Harmes (leaving), and then the pearler 'we won games without him' as if we haven't won games previously without any of our other gun players.

It's jump the shark territory now.
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It's almost as if we're on a football discussion forum and people are discussing their ideas, while knowing full well that it has no bearing on what the club actually does?

I've said before that I don't necessarily agree with the notion of trading Oliver, though it doesn't mean others who put forward alternative ideas need to be ridiculed.

This would be a pretty boring place is we all just rolled with the status quo. In reality, none of us actually know what is going to happen or have any tangible influence, so what's the harm in putting forward some suggestions?
 

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Topkent said:
Or the photos of Melbourne being top of the ladder therefore we had to be the best team in the competition and anyone who didn't agree was a Melbourne hater
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8 metrics clear in the premiership metrics. the ARG put the premiership metric guy to shame.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Roosy is 100% correct. Can tell hes a fan of American sports where stars are traded all the time. Australian sports fans get far too hung up on their heroes.
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I think it helps in US sports that the players don't really get a say in trades when they're under contract. That factor makes it a lot harder for AFL clubs to make something happen. If you can't convince the player to do a trade you risk upsetting the apple-cart for nothing. Then you end up having to move them on for less because they cracked the sads and can't be professional anymore.

Aussie players are soft that way, crying about the way their old clubs treated them like Treloar and Grundy and the media absolutely laps it up.
 
Scythe94 said:
It's almost as if we're on a football discussion forum and people are discussing their ideas, while knowing full well that it has no bearing on what the club actually does?

I've said before that I don't necessarily agree with the notion of trading Oliver, though it doesn't mean others who put forward alternative ideas need to be ridiculed.

This would be a pretty boring place is we all just rolled with the status quo. In reality, none of us actually know what is going to happen or have any tangible influence, so what's the harm in putting forward some suggestions?
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I dunno Grimesy seemed to know alot about what was happening 🤜🦷🩸
 
I'll happily walk this back if we have some crazy surprise in store, but the lions and pies are in a GF and are both chasing Doedee to strengthen their defence, meanwhile we are after McAdam. Either we've ****ed up our salary cap something horrific or we also believe our list perfect already like some
 
Topkent said:
I'll happily walk this back if we have some crazy surprise in store, but the lions and pies are in a GF and are both chasing Doedee to strengthen their defence, meanwhile we are after McAdam. Either we've ****ed up our salary cap something horrific or we also believe our list perfect already like some
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I'm a bit worried about us. We seem way too settled for a team going into their second off-season off a straight sets exit. Even if we're running a super tight ship that doesn't leak the info could easily get out from the side we're speaking to. Our name has been dropped from a lot of the talk around pick 4 and pick 1 which suggests we've cooled on those too.
 
Bluelegs said:
I'm a bit worried about us. We seem way too settled for a team going into their second off-season off a straight sets exit. Even if we're running a super tight ship that doesn't leak the info could easily get out from the side we're speaking to. Our name has been dropped from a lot of the talk around pick 4 and pick 1 which suggests we've cooled on those too.
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Yeah so what's our plan? McAdam and nothing else? Take a decent but not star player with 6 or 7?

Not enough for next year.
 

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Topkent said:
Yeah so what's our plan? McAdam and nothing else? Take a decent but not star player with 6 or 7?

Not enough for next year.
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Going hard at the draft with our hand would be a kind of play but it would be unlike us to not try and move those picks around to target specific players. Doing that would tell me we are prioritising the future over the now which I wouldn't be completely against but it would surprise me.
 
Scythe94 said:
It's almost as if we're on a football discussion forum and people are discussing their ideas, while knowing full well that it has no bearing on what the club actually does?

I've said before that I don't necessarily agree with the notion of trading Oliver, though it doesn't mean others who put forward alternative ideas need to be ridiculed.

This would be a pretty boring place is we all just rolled with the status quo. In reality, none of us actually know what is going to happen or have any tangible influence, so what's the harm in putting forward some suggestions?
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But the ideas aren't then beyond reply right? It IS a footy forum after all...
 
Bluelegs said:
Doing that would tell me we are prioritising the future over the now which I wouldn't be completely against but it would surprise me.
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it all depends on the players you target in the draft. Mids can pretty much step in and be players from day one these days. Id much rather we draft mids than trade for one.
 
Bluelegs said:
Going hard at the draft with our hand would be a kind of play but it would be unlike us to not try and move those picks around to target specific players. Doing that would tell me we are prioritising the future over the now which I wouldn't be completely against but it would surprise me.
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May and Gawn drop off next year and our windows done. So I think it's a fine line
 
Outside of for a KPD I dont think we should be trading any first round picks unless its to move up for a higher first round pick. This team is stale and it desperately needs some younger classy difference makers.
 
But there is curiosity about what Melbourne and, to a lesser degree, North Melbourne will do, with Brodie Grundy almost certain to request a trade to Sydney, and fellow All-Australian Todd Goldstein already indicating he is leaving – possibly for Essendon.
The Demons have only rookie-listed duo Will Verrall and Kyah Farris-White as specialist ruckmen behind Gawn if Grundy goes, while the Roos have Tristan Xerri, Callum Coleman-Jones and Hamish Free.

Melbourne could look for a ruckman in return for James Harmes and/or Grundy, assuming they both leave. Richmond are one club eyeing Harmes, while Tiger Ivan Soldo is again on the hunt for more opportunity.

Hawthorn’s forward-thinking after missing on McKay and Ratugolea
 
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