List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

You don't rate Harry McKay? Really?

Think hes a Travis Cloke wannabe.

 

[BaliDemon]

Media reports are that Hawks are preparing now for a monster bid to lure Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

to Glenferrie end of 2024.

Should we be doing the same? Got the Grundy cash, TMac and BBB finally off contract, Harmes likely leaving and a few other moving parts. We could conceivably table an extremely attractive offer, especially if we remain in the top 4 and perhaps even make the GF.

Tigers got Lynch mid dynasty. Cats poached Cameron. Prizing Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

away from the Suns would be my pick of all the key forward possibilities out there. Prodigiously talented.

Worth a serious crack and if so groundwork should start being done now.

 

[deeman87]

Media reports are that Hawks are preparing now for a monster bid to lure Ben King to Glenferrie end of 2024.

Should we be doing the same? Got the Grundy cash, TMac and BBB finally off contract, Harmes likely leaving and a few other moving parts. We could conceivably table an extremely attractive offer, especially if we remain in the top 4 and perhaps even make the GF.

Tigers got Lynch mid dynasty. Cats poached Cameron. Prizing Ben King away from the Suns would be my pick of all the key forward possibilities out there. Prodigiously talented.

Worth a serious crack and if so groundwork should start being done now.

We should've been having a crack at him before Hawks did, we should've been offering 800k a yr to every good young KPF worth it in the comp as soon as it was clear Grundy was leaving, your examples are spot on and if were sitting around waiting for Jefferson to come good, then Gawn will be 34 by then.

 

[BaliDemon]

We should've been having a crack at him before Hawks did, we should've been offering 800k a yr to every good young KPF worth it in the comp as soon as it was clear Grundy was leaving, your examples are spot on and if were sitting around waiting for Jefferson to come good, then Gawn will be 34 by then.

Ben King will command $1.2 as a starting point, especially if he has a big 2024.

The problem in recent seasons is no-one of note has been available or potentially gettable.

Next year there are a few. But you need to make the decision 12 months out and prepare accordingly.

 

[deeman87]

Ben King will command $1.2 as a starting point, especially if he has a big 2024.

The problem in recent seasons is no-one of note has been available or potentially gettable.

Next year there are a few. But you need to make the decision 12 months out and prepare accordingly.

ok 1.2 it is then, i mean if we have the money in our cap then go for it, generational 60 goal a yr KPF dont grow on trees, we need a partner for JVR & even if Petty does end up being rly good up forward you dont want 1 injury derailing ur whole yr come finals. If it's a yrs time then i think you lay the ground work and start wooing and get the player thinking about you and then you reasses in a yr.

King in 12 months doesn't address next yr tho, theres a chance Rooey, Petty & Jeffersona are all ready by 2025, we rly need a stop gap not to mention we have no 2nd ruck and Max is getting old. Would've been nice to get Flynn, not sure who it is now, even if its Lobb, i know hes pretty crap but cant have Schache and Rooey as our 2nd ruck for a whole yr.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

ok 1.2 it is then, i mean if we have the money in our cap then go for it, generational 60 goal a yr KPF dont grow on trees, we need a partner for JVR & even if Petty does end up being rly good up forward you dont want 1 injury derailing ur whole yr come finals. If it's a yrs time then i think you lay the ground work and start wooing and get the player thinking about you and then you reasses in a yr.

King in 12 months doesn't address next yr tho, theres a chance Rooey, Petty & Jeffersona are all ready by 2025, we rly need a stop gap not to mention we have no 2nd ruck and Max is getting old. Would've been nice to get Flynn, not sure who it is now, even if its Lobb, i know hes pretty crap but cant have Schache and Rooey as our 2nd ruck for a whole yr.

If King is generational the comp is in serious trouble.

 

[Scythe]

ok 1.2 it is then, i mean if we have the money in our cap then go for it, generational 60 goal a yr KPF dont grow on trees, we need a partner for JVR & even if Petty does end up being rly good up forward you dont want 1 injury derailing ur whole yr come finals. If it's a yrs time then i think you lay the ground work and start wooing and get the player thinking about you and then you reasses in a yr.

King in 12 months doesn't address next yr tho, theres a chance Rooey, Petty & Jeffersona are all ready by 2025, we rly need a stop gap not to mention we have no 2nd ruck and Max is getting old. Would've been nice to get Flynn, not sure who it is now, even if its Lobb, i know hes pretty crap but cant have Schache and Rooey as our 2nd ruck for a whole yr.

We really need to address the use of the word 'generational'.

Using the above example, five players kicked 60 goals this year and four did last year. The most goals King has kicked in a year is 47. 13 players this year alone kicked 47+.

Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but that term gets mistakenly used so often. A 'generational' player is one that has talent/output that is only seen once in a generation – plenty of current AFL players can do what King does.

 

[Scythe]

Unless we want to start considering players like Brody Mihocek

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Brody Mihocek

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.2

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

G

1.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

and Kyle Langford

4

Kyle Langford

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.7

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

to be generational. In which case, go for it

 

[deeman87]

We really need to address the use of the word 'generational'.

Using the above example, five players kicked 60 goals this year and four did last year. The most goals King has kicked in a year is 47. 13 players this year alone kicked 47+.

Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but that term gets mistakenly used so often. A 'generational' player is one that has talent/output that is only seen once in a generation – plenty of current AFL players can do what King does.

lol fair. Replace generational with very good with the potential to be incredibly good.

 

[Meds]

Unless we want to start considering players like Brody Mihocek and Kyle Langford to be generational. In which case, go for it

Generational, general, generic - easy to mix up

 

[BaliDemon]

We really need to address the use of the word 'generational'.

Using the above example, five players kicked 60 goals this year and four did last year. The most goals King has kicked in a year is 47. 13 players this year alone kicked 47+.

Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but that term gets mistakenly used so often. A 'generational' player is one that has talent/output that is only seen once in a generation – plenty of current AFL players can do what King does.

Agree. It even gets said about draftees who haven’t even kicked a ball in anger at senior AFL level.

All we’ve heard for months about Harley Reid is that he’s a ‘generational talent’. Really? I remember Lachie Whitfield was going to be as well (anyone recall the ‘Whitfield Shield’ game between GWS and Carlton I think it was?). Cam Rayner the next Dustin Martin. There are other examples. All pretty much hyperbole.

The only thing the word ‘generational’ is guaranteed to generate is clicks on online news articles.

I used the word ‘prodigious’ in relation to Ben King’s level of talent, which I think is fair and accurate.

 

[00Stinger]

So an interesting made up mega trade on trade radio by i think its Adam Cooney. Huge 5 way deal:

in this the Dees give - 5 + 25 + future 2nd + Oliver

Dees receive - pick 1, Riley Thilthorpe, Shane Mcadam.

Trade radio at its best

 

[Lord Nev]

Would Xav Duursma be an upgrade on the current form of Langdon or Hunter? Tempt him to play with his brother

 

[booshboy]

Would Xav Duursma be an upgrade on the current form of Langdon or Hunter? Tempt him to play with his brother

The Bow & Arrow goes hand in hand with #demonspirit

 

[00Stinger]

Would Xav Duursma be an upgrade on the current form of Langdon or Hunter? Tempt him to play with his brother

I don't know if he is necessarily an upgrade on those players but he would be worth a look for us imo

Having said that though, his shit goal celebration reminds me of this w***ers and I dont know if I could accept it as a Dees supporter

Having said that up until around this time last year, Lachy Hunter was my most despised player in the league. A preppy punch in the face head bloke from Williamstown who loved to duck at any chance but I grew to not hate him with a Melbourne jumper on.

 

[Lord Nev]

The Bow & Arrow goes hand in hand with #demonspirit

Could get him pretending to throw a trident or something?

 

[Lord Nev]

I don't know if he is necessarily an upgrade on those players but he would be worth a look for us imo

Hunter and Langdon better players historically, but I was really disappointed with them both as the year went on. Howes and Duursma would put some pressure on.

 

[BaliDemon]

I don't know if he is necessarily an upgrade on those players but he would be worth a look for us imo

Having said that though, his s**t goal celebration reminds me of this w***ers and I dont know if I could accept it as a Dees supporter

Having said that up until around this time last year, Lachy Hunter was my most despised player in the league. A preppy punch in the face head bloke from Williamstown who loved to duck at any chance but I grew to not hate him with a Melbourne jumper on.

We don’t celebrate goals with the ‘bow and arrow’.

We celebrate points with the ‘scattergun’.

 

[Scythe]

Tell you what, Hawthorn's head of footy insinuating that Tyler Brockman will move the needle for Pick 1 is as bad as Crows fans thinking McAdam would influence the Oliver deal lol

 

[BaliDemon]

Tyler Brockman

Honestly hand on heart never heard of him.

 

[Lord Nev]

 

[SugarHealey]

Its all gone to s**t since Vanders was delisted

Yeah. imv he helped keep they're feet firmly on the ground, and heads down. Literally.

I wonder if there would be a spot for him as an assistant, and tackling coach.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Honestly hand on heart never heard of him.

Good player.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I don't know if he is necessarily an upgrade on those players but he would be worth a look for us imo

Having said that though, his s**t goal celebration reminds me of this w***ers and I dont know if I could accept it as a Dees supporter

Having said that up until around this time last year, Lachy Hunter was my most despised player in the league. A preppy punch in the face head bloke from Williamstown who loved to duck at any chance but I grew to not hate him with a Melbourne jumper on.

The shotgun was great. Fans/media cried about coz he was "shooting" kids in the stands.

 

[Toump Ass]

Would Xav Duursma be an

He got 7 disposals against the Lions a few weeks back, sadly for him I think we have enough pathetic chokers who choke in finals already.