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List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

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OOC players:
  • Michael Hibberd (retired)
  • Deakyn Smith (delisted)
  • Andy Moniz-Wakefield
  • Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
  • Luke Dunstan (retired)
  • James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
  • Kye Turner (delisted)
Traded out:
  • James Harmes (Bulldogs)
  • Brodie Grundy (Sydney)
Traded in:
  • Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
  • Jack Billings (St Kilda)
  • Shane McAdam (Adelaide)
Drafted:
  • Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
  • Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
  • Kynan Brown (Rookie)
 
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dylan93 said:
100% we need to go all in for a solid KPF.

It's a no brainer!
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This is where we need to spend our early picks. Talls. We are short on for them; +200cms.. Yes, we have some kids. Like Adams and Jefferson. But IMO we cannot maintain all tall eggs in a small clutch-bag.

Too many, is better than not enough.

As many have said, we have a lot of mid sized types and defenders. But not all are special types. We are lacking the special types across our list.
And Most of our special players are 29Yrs and above.

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We have to hit the draft hard.
No fillip types, please Melbourne.
 
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Lord Nev said:
I'd say McVee, Bowey and Salem all have foot skills and hardness. Rivers has hardness, foot skills a bit all over the place.

Perceived lack of run and carry is more a game style thing IMO, all of the above could do that, particularly McVee and Rivers.

There's also Hibberd, who seems likely to retire but you never know, and Howes who should get a game any week really.

Reckon we're ok for half back flankers tbh.
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Yes, I agree with all of those you mentioned (like you've read my list of favourites), but Salem is definitely not a dasher, run-and-carry, with any sort of take-it-on speed.
And No, I'm not after a Hunt type who gets lost in traffic, when he dashes. And lacks the precision foot skills.

Its class with the skill sets; Ash has.

ps: And Hibbo, my favourit of them all, is about to go to the AFL retirement village.
 
I'm all for a tall, but it needs to be the right price. If Freo finish in the bottom 6, and GC want that pick for B.King, great. No use pissing 2/3 picks down for one player though, because having some mids that can kick it to him is essential.
 
Lord Nev said:
I'd say McVee, Bowey and Salem all have foot skills and hardness. Rivers has hardness, foot skills a bit all over the place.

Perceived lack of run and carry is more a game style thing IMO, all of the above could do that, particularly McVee and Rivers.

There's also Hibberd, who seems likely to retire but you never know, and Howes who should get a game any week really.

Reckon we're ok for half back flankers tbh.
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If you take list management that way, we are catered for in all areas.

We have medium defenders aplenty.
We have tall defenders aplenty. Turner x 2. + Adams.
We have midfielders aplenty. Laurie, Woewodin, Howes, Jordon,
We have forwards aplenty. in Jeffo and JvR.

Its time to target the 'special skills' we need going forward; as most of our special players are in they're last few seasons.
 

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TheBoss said:
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I've got as frost free fridge that can play better. :cool:

Or we could take the Delorean back to the future, and pickup Whatts his name. :greenalien:
 
SugarHealey said:
Yes, I agree with all of those you mentioned (like you've read my list of favourites), but Salem is definitely not a dasher, run-and-carry, with any sort of take-it-on speed.
And No, I'm not after a Hunt type who gets lost in traffic, when he dashes. And lacks the precision foot skills.

Its class with the skill sets; Ash has.

ps: And Hibbo, my favourit of them all, is about to go to the AFL retirement village.
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Salem could be though IMO. I just reckon the game plan of everyone stop and give it to Salo to kick maybe hinders it a bit, along with the real stop start style we have atm. Totally with you on the Hunt thing too, there's a reason we traded out both Hunt and Frost, and it's the same reason.


SugarHealey said:
If you take list management that way, we are catered for in all areas.

We have medium defenders aplenty.
We have tall defenders aplenty. Turner x 2. + Adams.
We have midfielders aplenty. Laurie, Woewodin, Howes, Jordon,
We have forwards aplenty. in Jeffo and JvR.

Its time to target the 'special skills' we need going forward; as most of our special players are in they're last few seasons.
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Well no I'm not quite with you there as there's a fair bit of context missing.

For back half flankers we have a good age coverage and a good depth of quality.

For tall defenders we have Petty as the heir apparent for May and Turner as the heir apparent for Lever, but there's a gap there in that third tall spot we need to look at given May would only have a couple of years left in him. Plus, not looking like much depth there.

Mids we're ok-ish. Considering we have Viney, Clarry and Trac it's probably fair enough we don't have a lot of top quality after that, it's the reality of a list. Not convinced Laurie and Jordon are part of the future though.

Tall forwards I reckon we have a glaring gap in that 25-28 year old range. That's what I'd love to try and bring in this offseason. Brown will retire this year IMO, and who knows what injuries TMac will pick up next year, we need a big solid mature KPF to take the pressure of the two you mentioned.

Small forwards a concern as well IMO. Outside of Kozzy and Chandler there's not much spark there. Part of the reason I'd love to see us go after Harley, would be a perfect addition to our half forward area.

For mine - Get an AFL level mature key forward, a ready to go rookie back up ruck and some speed/silk on the outside in the trade/supplemental periods, then use the draft for Harley Reid, a key defender and a crumbing forward. That would be my list.
 
Lord Nev said:
Salem could be though IMO. I just reckon the game plan of everyone stop and give it to Salo to kick maybe hinders it a bit, along with the real stop start style we have atm.
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Salo is too slow moving the ball forward from the D50 arc area. Too conservative.

He is better when he has the ball around 70Mtrs out from goal; less worried seemingly because of the territory he's in.

Lord Nev said:
Well no I'm not quite with you there as there's a fair bit of context missing.

For back half flankers we have a good age coverage and a good depth of quality.
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Well most of the young'uns are untried to this point, so all are busts until they prove otherwise.

Mcvee has overtaken most, apart from Hibbo, Salem, and Rivers, imv.
Lord Nev said:
For tall defenders we have Petty as the heir apparent for May and Turner as the heir apparent for Lever, but there's a gap there in that third tall spot we need to look at given May would only have a couple of years left in him. Plus, not looking like much depth there.
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Turners x 2, Adams, thats 3 over the old 6'-4".... but nothing really in that 200+cms defenders.
I realise Maysie is 193cms, but he is an exception to the rule.

.............

I don't like to package players as replacement players, as this is sometimes based in hope, and often doesn't come true. Like calling for dynasties. it can cause the players to be distracted and fall away.

Dancing Potato said:
Whatever happened to that bloke that missed Frosty so much? What was his name?

IPissCostly? IKissRosti?
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I have to admit, I missed Frosty for a while.
Then I went and bought a fridge.
 
Lord Nev said:
Salem could be though IMO. I just reckon the game plan of everyone stop and give it to Salo to kick maybe hinders it a bit, along with the real stop start style we have atm. Totally with you on the Hunt thing too, there's a reason we traded out both Hunt and Frost, and it's the same reason.




Well no I'm not quite with you there as there's a fair bit of context missing.

For back half flankers we have a good age coverage and a good depth of quality.

For tall defenders we have Petty as the heir apparent for May and Turner as the heir apparent for Lever, but there's a gap there in that third tall spot we need to look at given May would only have a couple of years left in him. Plus, not looking like much depth there.

Mids we're ok-ish. Considering we have Viney, Clarry and Trac it's probably fair enough we don't have a lot of top quality after that, it's the reality of a list. Not convinced Laurie and Jordon are part of the future though.

Tall forwards I reckon we have a glaring gap in that 25-28 year old range. That's what I'd love to try and bring in this offseason. Brown will retire this year IMO, and who knows what injuries TMac will pick up next year, we need a big solid mature KPF to take the pressure of the two you mentioned.

Small forwards a concern as well IMO. Outside of Kozzy and Chandler there's not much spark there. Part of the reason I'd love to see us go after Harley, would be a perfect addition to our half forward area.

For mine - Get an AFL level mature key forward, a ready to go rookie back up ruck and some speed/silk on the outside in the trade/supplemental periods, then use the draft for Harley Reid, a key defender and a crumbing forward. That would be my list.
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We just don’t get reid imo. If eagles are willing to trade pick 1 other clubs can offer a more compelling package.
 

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schmuttt said:
Not sure the smartarse remark is warranted? Like GWS have their own pick plus Richmond’s this year, they’re going to be able to offer a better deal.
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Just a joke knuckles. :thumbsu:
 
My order of need for our list:

Skilled midfielders (preferably quick)

KPF

Small forward with pace and finishing skills

KPD

Rebounding defenders with pace

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The Dr said:
My order of need for our list:

Skilled midfielders (preferably quick)

KPF

Small forward with pace and finishing skills

KPD

Rebounding defenders with pace

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I would have KPD either 2nd or 3rd with the others sliding down, but think it's a good summation
 
Looking at the OOC guys and excluding rookies as I don't know enough about them, I reckon we see the following at end of year:

Melksham, Hibberd retire (Melk is cooked and I love Pig but his body is falling apart)
Jordon leaves as a DFA
Pay out TMac (I'd love Brown to be paid out too but I'm not sure they'll have the balls)

We aren't linked to anyone in FA so would leave us with 4 picks to the draft or 3 then a backup PSD pick.
 
schmuttt said:
Looking at the OOC guys and excluding rookies as I don't know enough about them, I reckon we see the following at end of year:

Melksham, Hibberd retire (Melk is cooked and I love Pig but his body is falling apart)
Jordon leaves as a DFA
Pay out TMac (I'd love Brown to be paid out too but I'm not sure they'll have the balls)

We aren't linked to anyone in FA so would leave us with 4 picks to the draft or 3 then a backup PSD pick.
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Yeah, I too think Jordon will likely leave. Not many midfielders in his agre profile as a FA, somebody will offer him massive $ overs just to get him wihtout having to give anything up.
 
pjfairbairn said:
Yeah, I too think Jordon will likely leave. Not many midfielders in his agre profile as a FA, somebody will offer him massive $ overs just to get him wihtout having to give anything up.
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schmuttt said:
Looking at the OOC guys and excluding rookies as I don't know enough about them, I reckon we see the following at end of year:

Melksham, Hibberd retire (Melk is cooked and I love Pig but his body is falling apart)
Jordon leaves as a DFA
Pay out TMac (I'd love Brown to be paid out too but I'm not sure they'll have the balls)

We aren't linked to anyone in FA so would leave us with 4 picks to the draft or 3 then a backup PSD pick.
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Bit harsh on Melksham, has been our best forward last 2 weeks since returning
 
Free agents I’d speak too,
Himmelberg, parish, McKay, gresham and also reckon Jack silvagni would be a great pick up with a fresh start. Does Crouch have anything to offer? Yes, these players may have a big price tag on their head but it’s always a no unless you ask.

Players contracted that could potentially move for the right deal/ game time - Ginnivan, Reef Mcinnis (some won’t agree with this player), Liam Ryan, Tom Barrass, Lachie Jones

Contract ends at the end of the season - Dev Robertson, Paddy Dow, Mitch Georgiades


What are your thoughts?
Obviously not saying get all these players I’m just throwing names out there that could ‘potentially’ improve our list
 
wingersclub said:
Free agents I’d speak too,
Himmelberg, parish, McKay, gresham and also reckon Jack silvagni would be a great pick up with a fresh start. Does Crouch have anything to offer? Yes, these players may have a big price tag on their head but it’s always a no unless you ask.

Players contracted that could potentially move for the right deal/ game time - Ginnivan, Reef Mcinnis (some won’t agree with this player), Liam Ryan, Tom Barrass, Lachie Jones

Contract ends at the end of the season - Dev Robertson, Paddy Dow, Mitch Georgiades


What are your thoughts?
Obviously not saying get all these players I’m just throwing names out there that could ‘potentially’ improve our list
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We don't have any cap space to make a real move

Himmelberg is now a defender and we don't need another, plus he will be getting huge offers
Parish i would take if he takes less money
Gresham yes if he takes a pay cut
Silvagni would move outside of Vic if he doesn't get an offer from Carl
Crouch isn't what we need, we have an abundance of inside players who are terribly slow
Ryan wouldn't cope outside of WA
Barrass is basically Left Footed Oscar McDonald
Jones doesn't look like a player who has a long career ahead of him, dare say he will be delisted sooner or later
Ginnivan wouldn't be walk up starter for us so if he is happy to wait in the FVL like Dunstan than why not
McInnis will eventually be a walk-up starter for the Pies, They would be silly letting him go
Robertson will attract interest from bottom tier clubs with money to burn
Dow at Casey why not
Georgiades yes for a lower wage
 
For us to get Reid we’d have to find another top 10 pick to give West Coast along with Freo’s pick.

Wrangling GC’s first round pick (say pick 8) by giving them Freo’s second and our second to match their Academy bids, and any other 2023 picks we get from trades (given we’ve already lost our third and fourth rounders), plus our 2024 first, might be an option. Then send Freo’s first plus GC’s first to West Coast for pick 1 and maybe something coming back.

Not really worth it when there’s probably someone just as good as Reid who’ll be available at Freo’s pick. George Wardlaw from 2022 comes to mind.

Would have been so much easier if Jackson had just gone to West Coast sigh
 
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