List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[Blackas87]

Lynch is 2 time premiership player tho. So he'd be twice as good as TMac and Brown were in 2021

Might not be twice as good by the trade period.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Imagine having 2 GC bookends in our club.

 

[booshboy]

Lynch would be good but think it depends on how they see Petty's recovery.

Assuming they see Petty as a forward long term (stupid if they don't) I feel like Petty, JVR & Fritsch is a reasonably formidable FWD line.

Our backline is looking thin with May showing signs of slowing down and Tommo likely out the door so would probably rather we focus on that.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Lynch would be good but think it depends on how they see Petty's recovery.

Assuming they see Petty as a forward long term (stupid if they don't) I feel like Petty, JVR & Fritsch is a reasonably formidable FWD line.

Our backline is looking thin with May showing signs of slowing down and Tommo likely out the door so would probably rather we focus on that.

A Piep-dream why not Darcy Moore?

Just spitballing

 

[Dory_77]

A Piep-dream why not Darcy Moore?

Just spitballing

He's Collingwood captain for a start. Doubt he'd ever want to leave or they'd ever consider a trade

 

[Lord Nev]

I'd give up a future second also if required.

Assuming he passes a medical and he doesn't need surgery like when we got Ben Brown.

31 year old, off a foot injury and playing 4 games, and you'd give up the equivalent of (roughly) pick 7.... Righto.

 

[BaliDemon]

31 year old, off a foot injury and playing 4 games, and you'd give up the equivalent of (roughly) pick 7.... Righto.

That’s why he and others have said “assuming he passes a medical”.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That’s why he and others have said “assuming he passes a medical”.

Why read that part when you can't to create an overpaying argument out of it.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Is there any world he leaves Richmond for Melbourne

Sure, but Emily Blunt also calls me daily to cuckold her husband in my fantasy world

 

[Scythe]

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[noobermensch]

All parts of Harley's game were on song here, bursting through packs, winning the hard ball, taking contested marks and driving his team forward. He copped a lot of attention from the Falcons boys with some big hits, but he always bounced back up and kept going like the future Champ he seems destined to be.

 

[Lord Nev]

Why read that part when you can't to create an overpaying argument out of it.

Even without a foot injury, he's not worth the equivalent of pick 7, that would be a horrendous trade.

 

[SugarHealey]

Coz he’s crap.

Wrong...

A reliable role-player who is physically powerful, and can fill in, any area of the ground, stating from Rnd 1 next year.

The perfect role-player, to fill the Grundy hole that will be left behind... No point just recruiting a talented kid from the draft, thinking he will be able to do the powerful tall role, in 2024.

We'll need both the mature for the short to medium term; and the draft kid to develop into the follower/key position player, over a couple of developing years.

 

[SugarHealey]

Well, they'll have to butter up then.

 

[SugarHealey]

Doesn’t matter what other clubs or other club’s supporters think, the AFL will do what’s best for North & WC in order to have them competitive as quickly as possible. You can’t have clubs repeatedly wallowing in misery, skewing the competition and percentages year after year. It wrecks the product and hence the business.

Well, in that case the AFL owes the Demons and the Saints plenty, not to mention the Dogs; for all those decades of misery, unaided by the VFL/AFL...

That is where the inequity in VFL/AFL seasons began. And BUY crooked clubs who bent every rule ever imagined.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Even without a foot injury, he's not worth the equivalent of pick 7, that would be a horrendous trade.

Thats far too simplistic to just look at the trade value chart.

Not getting to pick ~18 and after 30 next year aren't going to hurt you as much if youre in a premiership window. IF you can get a player who can make you better over the next 2-3 years and win you a flag you'd swap that for those picks every time.

All dependant on IF Lynch passed a medical of course.

 

[TheBoss]

He's Collingwood captain for a start. Doubt he'd ever want to leave or they'd ever consider a trade

No Collingwood skipper named Moore has defected to Melbourne!

/s

If we are gonna poach a Collingwood defender then I will take one Quaynor please!

 

[Lord Nev]

Thats far too simplistic to just look at the trade value chart.

Not getting to pick ~18 and after 30 next year aren't going to hurt you as much if youre in a premiership window. IF you can get a player who can make you better over the next 2-3 years and win you a flag you'd swap that for those picks every time.

All dependant on IF Lynch passed a medical of course.

I'm absolutely not against going hard in a trade if it means more chance of a flag, but what you're proposing could very well work out as say picks 15 and 33, which have a combined points value equivalent of pick 7. We would be lucky to get 2 years out of Lynch, he will be 31 before preseaon starts this year, that's not a smart trade IMO. Somewhere in the range of pick 24-30 is fair in the full context.

Ben Brown came to us off a similar trajectory in terms of performance and then injury, except he was 28 when traded to us - we paid roughly what works out as about pick 38 for him. Obviously Lynch is considered a superior player in the full context, but you don't go from pick 38 to pick 7.

 

[Demon 16]

Would anyone take Tom Lynch from Richmond on say a 2 year deal?

**** yeh.

Potentially gets us over the line for an extra premiership imo.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Reid plz.

 

[Demon 16]

All parts of Harley's game were on song here, bursting through packs, winning the hard ball, taking contested marks and driving his team forward. He copped a lot of attention from the Falcons boys with some big hits, but he always bounced back up and kept going like the future Champ he seems destined to be.

When was this game? I thought he was on ice now?

 

[BaliDemon]

I'm absolutely not against going hard in a trade if it means more chance of a flag, but what you're proposing could very well work out as say picks 15 and 33, which have a combined points value equivalent of pick 7. We would be lucky to get 2 years out of Lynch, he will be 31 before preseaon starts this year, that's not a smart trade IMO. Somewhere in the range of pick 24-30 is fair in the full context.

Buddy played very good footy up until he was 33/34.

Tom Hawkins is 35. Killed it up until probably this year.

30-33yo is absolutely fine if Tom Lynch’s body is right. He can still cause LOTS of problems.

Go look at picks 17 - 20 of the past six drafts. It’s a crapshoot.

We have 3 years of prime premiership window left with this group.

 

[stEdy]

Reid wears long-sleeves. Hard pass.

 

[Demon 16]

Reid wears long-sleeves. Hard pass.

How do you feel about Sanders socks pulled up?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I'm absolutely not against going hard in a trade if it means more chance of a flag, but what you're proposing could very well work out as say picks 15 and 33, which have a combined points value equivalent of pick 7. We would be lucky to get 2 years out of Lynch, he will be 31 before preseaon starts this year, that's not a smart trade IMO. Somewhere in the range of pick 24-30 is fair in the full context.

Ben Brown came to us off a similar trajectory in terms of performance and then injury, except he was 28 when traded to us - we paid roughly what works out as about pick 38 for him. Obviously Lynch is considered a superior player in the full context, but you don't go from pick 38 to pick 7.

Has there ever been a draft where a club traded a pick like pick 7 for 15 and 33 just cause they wanted to move back and use those picks to select players and it had nothing to do with acquiring points?

I highly doubt it, because I dont think any club would be that stupid, you'd take pick 7 in such a trade every single time, happy to be proven wrong if you can find an example.