Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

[teagueyubeauty]

What North has been given is ridiculous. By the end of this draft they will have a list of Under 21s as good as any ever seen on one list.

Bonus's for failing piss me off

It’s not basketball where 1 or 2 players make a ridiculous difference to a teams fortunes.

AFL is on a par with the NFL where it’s bloody hard work and need a lot of luck and above average talent identification to drag yourselves up from the bottom to the very top. Most make mid table and a finals series here and there but don’t look like winning the whole thing.

I have no issue with concessions, what I have an issue with is the AFL making shit up as they go along. It’s incredibly amateur


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[GeorgieBoyBlue2]

It can be taught/learned but the best have it naturally. Walsh for me is the classic example.

It's called will power or mental strength, which is the opposite of mental illness or mental weakness like depression etc. Can definitely be learned just like discipline.
I would do our pre season training with Shaolin monks and that wouldn't be an issue!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Also - agree on the Eagles. If I'm them, I'm asking for 2, 3 and 15 for Reid then building around McKercher and Curtain then nabbing another good player. But they won't - they probably feel that they need to back in Reid to be the messiah.

North aren’t giving 2 & 3 let alone adding 15 to it.

Best they’ll get is 2 & 15, and maybe something else like a future pick or 2, 17 and 18 and give back 37 if they are really lucky


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[swuzzlebubble]

Bounce the ball FFS

 

[Matty411]

It can be taught/learned but the best have it naturally. Walsh for me is the classic example.

Reading the Moir foxfooty article, he seems to have been hampered but is developing really great mindset around reflection and focusing on himself rather than external sources. Looks to have gone out himself to get super fit, too, so will hit the December training block at 100% for whichever club he gets to.

Any kid that prematurely ends his year when playing for a club that is 16-2 en route to a team premiership must have the commitment to make it. That'd be tough and shows real maturity/selflessness (could easily stay and win but be ineffectual). Whether he makes it on an AFL list is one we won't know for years.

I'm not a talent watcher so not sure. He seems like a great icing on the cake type of player (like a Fritsch as has been mentioned). We can afford to go this way now given our list position.

So if we believe he is the best available at 28 and is willing to put in the hard yards to work on deficiencies in his game - I'll welcome him as a CFC player with open arms.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What North has been given is ridiculous. By the end of this draft they will have a list of Under 21s as good as any ever seen on one list.

Bonus's for failing piss me off

What pisses me off is that even without AFL handouts (Priority picks) they would still probably have McKercher, Duursma, LDU, Thomas, Wardlaw and Sheezel.
That group being so balanced and having so much talent really shouldn’t be able to fail.

 

[katmanblue]

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[Matty411]

North aren’t giving 2 & 3 let alone adding 15 to it.

Best they’ll get is 2 & 15, and maybe something else like a future pick or 2, 17 and 18 and give back 37 if they are really lucky


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Oh, totally. WCE haven't got an offer close to 2, 3, 15 but that's what I'd take. I wouldn't do it for 2 and 15 either - would have to be 2 x top 4 picks given Reid's hype and 3-year sample size.

Agree with sentiments that West Coast will have to struggle through this being a big club and do it slowly and with a lot of big losses. Not unlike ourselves.

 

[Soapy V]

Reading the Moir foxfooty article, he seems to have been hampered but is developing really great mindset around reflection and focusing on himself rather than external sources. Looks to have gone out himself to get super fit, too, so will hit the December training block at 100% for whichever club he gets to.

I'm not a talent watcher so not sure. He seems like a great icing on the cake type of player (like a Fritsch as has been mentioned). We can afford to go this way now given our list position.

So if we believe he is the best available at 28 and is willing to put in the hard yards to work on deficiencies in his game - I'll welcome him as a CFC player with open arms.

Same

 

[bigm386]

What North has been given is ridiculous. By the end of this draft they will have a list of Under 21s as good as any ever seen on one list.

Bonus's for failing piss me off

Yep, imagine in 2018 if we got what they have been given after winning two games

We already had Curnow, McKay and Weitiering on the list.

Nothing to say North don't have similar level talent already developing.

 

[bmaurizio]

Same

Yup agree re A.Moir, at a glance as I don’t have too much insight , possess the elusiveness and silk or ability, which has been sought by CFC for many a recent draft.
What remains to be seen is he’s, attitude, application, and durability on the ground.
After top 15 or so , it’s pretty even and luck is everything.

 

[marcmurphy3]

The one saving grace with North is they refuse to recruit any talls, meaning their top talent is pretty unbalanced. They are going to struggle to provide all their emerging onballers the midfield time they need to develop. Aside from Larkey and Logue (who is coming off an ACL) they don''t have anybody. Also, getting all those late teens picks in this draft isn't worth as much as it would normally be, however, they should have factored in the Mckay compo before handing them out. I think North will come good eventually but no guarantee to be a force.

I doubt Westcoast get a package if they are bad next year but if they are still down the bottom the year after, it'll probably happen. The AFL have set the precedent now. Thats the dangerous part of the North package, which has gone against the way struggling clubs have been treated in the past. GoldCoast are an exception as they had some fairly unique circumstances to deal with.

Despite the uproar about how bad it is to have uncompetitive clubs, there has and always will be bad teams, no matter how hard the AFL tries to equalise. Now the AFL will have to step in every couple of years as it happens, and clubs will know there is a safety net if they are to aggressive in chasing success.

 

[Ruckus]

Each year there is typically a player that catches the eye, to whom I form an attachment of sorts, and eventually have my heart set upon becoming a Blue. I have a 'type' - usually clean hands, commonly nice movers, bound to be the 'good boy' types, hard workers, leaders. Invariably, these players are drafted elsewhere.

So this year, my apologies to those who would like us to land Cooper Simpson.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

No use drafting for needs if they aren't going to make the grade. I'd rather us select Edwards who projects as an AFL quality ruck with the view to cutting Mirkov and balancing the list next year

Spot on.

I would’ve kept LOB and paid out Mirkov instead. Unsure if we had the cap space but maybe even cut them both. Feels like we are going in a man down with him on the list.

I would have no issue taking Edwards with our first selection.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Because I think it’s important to hitch a sail to the mast, my learned observation from watching two minutes of highlights of the draftees linked to us is that I would select Cooper Simpson. I couldn’t possibly be wrong! Anyway… that’s just for the record.

My personal highlight of the night will be seeing so many Tassie boys get drafted. You can be assured that according to at least one prominent poster around here, none of them will want to go back, because Hobart is a massive hole and no one wants to live there. In that case, I will look forward to following their careers with the established mainland clubs, all the while wishing that my loungeroom was located somewhere around the Channel or Huon region.

It's okay, after paying $75 for a 15 minute haircut and $6.50 for a hot chocolate last week I'm getting extremely close to changing my 'Hole of Australia' nomination to Melbourne CBD.

 

[Coona Blues]

The one saving grace with North is they refuse to recruit any talls, meaning their top talent is pretty unbalanced. They are going to struggle to provide all their emerging onballers the midfield time they need to develop. Aside from Larkey and Logue (who is coming off an ACL) they don''t have anybody. Also, getting all those late teens picks in this draft isn't worth as much as it would normally be, however, they should have factored in the Mckay compo before handing them out. I think North will come good eventually but no guarantee to be a force.

I doubt Westcoast get a package if they are bad next year but if they are still down the bottom the year after, it'll probably happen. The AFL have set the precedent now. Thats the dangerous part of the North package, which has gone against the way struggling clubs have been treated in the past. GoldCoast are an exception as they had some fairly unique circumstances to deal with.

Despite the uproar about how bad it is to have uncompetitive clubs, there has and always will be bad teams, no matter how hard the AFL tries to equalise. Now the AFL will have to step in every couple of years as it happens, and clubs will know there is a safety net if they are to aggressive in chasing success.

I still believe there is a fair chance North grab Curtin with two or three. Clarko reportedly had a two hour meeting with him yesterday. Why would they put that much work in to him, this late, if he is not at least in the mix?

CT nominating Duursma and McKercher, may be off. Both are quality, but if anyone remembers the ranting of Clarko about McKay’s pending departure with nothing to replace him, it would be counterintuitive not to take Curtin. With the highly promising Curtis, along with Sheezel and the forgotten first round gun forward Brayden George returning from an ACL, surely there is a scenario where they leave Duursma on the table and grab what they don’t have.

 

[marcmurphy3]

No use drafting for needs if they aren't going to make the grade. I'd rather us select Edwards who projects as an AFL quality ruck with the view to cutting Mirkov and balancing the list next year

It's an important point to remember. As excited as we get about these names most end up not making it or becoming average players at best. If we are deciding between a ruck vs a half forward vs a half back it's not like it's Darcy vs Bolton vs Sinclar. It'll end up being more like Sean Darcy vs Dan Venables vs Ben Long or Nick Bryan vs Shai Bolton vs Jordan Gallucci. Whatever your needs are you would take the gun player in those groups over the other 2 players.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I still believe there is a fair chance North grab Curtin with two or three. Clarko reportedly had a two hour meeting with him yesterday. Why would they put that much work in to him, this late, if he is not at least in the mix?

CT nominating Duursma and McKercher, may be off. Both are quality, but if anyone remembers the ranting of Clarko about McKay’s pending departure with nothing to replace him, it would be counterintuitive not to take Curtin. With the highly promising Curtis, along with Sheezel and the forgotten first round gun forward Brayden George returning from an ACL, surely there is a scenario where they leave Duursma on the table and grab what they don’t have.

I agree North should take Curtin though I think his comments around McKay were more angled at making sure they got band 1 compo for him. They never even formally made him a contract offer .

 

[Soapy V]

It’s not basketball where 1 or 2 players make a ridiculous difference to a teams fortunes.

AFL is on a par with the NFL where it’s bloody hard work and need a lot of luck and above average talent identification to drag yourselves up from the bottom to the very top. Most make mid table and a finals series here and there but don’t look like winning the whole thing.

I have no issue with concessions, what I have an issue with is the AFL making s**t up as they go along. It’s incredibly amateur


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[Bamboo Harvester]

I still believe there is a fair chance North grab Curtin with two or three. Clarko reportedly had a two hour meeting with him yesterday. Why would they put that much work in to him, this late, if he is not at least in the mix?

CT nominating Duursma and McKercher, may be off. Both are quality, but if anyone remembers the ranting of Clarko about McKay’s pending departure with nothing to replace him, it would be counterintuitive not to take Curtin. With the highly promising Curtis, along with Sheezel and the forgotten first round gun forward Brayden George returning from an ACL, surely there is a scenario where they leave Duursma on the table and grab what they don’t have.

Yep, and these early selections will have a bearing on the rest of the draft, in terms of the various clubs' strategies.

So hypothetically, if North take Curtin at pick 2 or 3, then WCE likely won't be trading their future pick to get back into the draft, and won't have another pick until after our's. So what would that mean to their strategy say if Moir was still on the board at our pick, and they were red hot to take him with their 2nd pick?

Similarly, if the Swans don't select Will Green with their first pick, then that opens the door for North to grab him with one of their picks in the teens - which in turn means Edwards could slip through to our pick.

Should be a fascinating night.

 

[Soapy V]

I still believe there is a fair chance North grab Curtin with two or three. Clarko reportedly had a two hour meeting with him yesterday. Why would they put that much work in to him, this late, if he is not at least in the mix?

CT nominating Duursma and McKercher, may be off. Both are quality, but if anyone remembers the ranting of Clarko about McKay’s pending departure with nothing to replace him, it would be counterintuitive not to take Curtin. With the highly promising Curtis, along with Sheezel and the forgotten first round gun forward Brayden George returning from an ACL, surely there is a scenario where they leave Duursma on the table and grab what they don’t have.

I picked Curtain for North in the Phantom. Picked him at 3.

Reason is he is a gun IMO, a tall and with picking Duursma or McKercher at 2 and what they have it's a no brainer.

 

[Triniboy]

Had a look at Moir highlights...he looks a very promising talent.
He moves and gait is very similar to Ryan Houlihan.

 

[beowulf]

Had a look at Moir highlights...he looks a very promising talent.
He moves and gait is very similar to Ryan Houlihan.

If he can kick like Houlihan, then we need him. Fev always preferred Houlihan as someone to kick it to him: Hoops had superb foot skills.

 

[Arr0w]

Geez, the Eagles need more than one pick.

Think they will trade a future 1st to get back into this draft

Also think North and Demons will come hard again for pick 1 this year

 

[JuddgementDay]

Trying to be realistic about who will be available here is my order of preferences for what I believe will help us in 2024 and who I would pick

1. Harry DiMattia - Left foot, leg speed and finds it. Could easily play BH or Mid. Underrated skills as he is not silky but he is very effective

2. Cooper Simpson - Leg speed and a one touch player. Can find it in the midfield. Better than rated

3. Will Dawson - KPP or Ruck. Fills many roles and looks quality. So much upside

4. Ollie Murphy - If Cal Twomey is right and he isn't being picked up we should jump all over him. KPP will lots of upside

5. Tew Jiath - Run from defence and lots of improvement in him. Love the potential

6. Ashton Moir - I struggle to guage where to rate him as his skills are ELITE. Has it all. So why is he rated so low? Effort, Mental toughness, Lazy?

From the limited vision I’ve seen, I don’t like DiMattia with his little dinky kicks