List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

There's a link in the post above

 

[Viva la Mattner]

This is what this board needs. 100% confidence to get our hopes up and to keep the off-season from getting boring.

I look forward to Cox signing a 6-year deal at Fremantle next March.

Will be utterly shocked if he re-signs

 

[Peter Doherty]

Can't see Freo letting him go this year, he's a RFA next year isn't he?

If they can't convince him to stay next year, they just match the deal next year and force Adelaide to give that same first rounder then.

 

[PeterSalt]

Another twist?


Ben McKay

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’s trade value has taken a hit after a knee issue was picked up during recent club medicals as first reported by 7News.

Four clubs had initially shown interest in luring McKay away from North Melbourne before both Sydney and Port Adelaide pulled out of the race.

It left Hawthorn and Essendon as the last two suitors fighting for the key defender’s services.

But speaking on Channel 7’s Talking Finals on Wednesday night, reporter Mitch Cleary indicated clubs were wary of a possible knee niggle in the wake of his pre-trade medical tests. Cleary stressed however it wouldn’t be major enough to change the long-term deals in front of him.

“We spoke last week about the medicals that he‘d been through at the clubs. It’s my understanding there has been some question marks raised around the medical and a potential knee (injury) and what that looks like in the long-term,” Cleary told Channel 7’s Talking Finals.

“Not enough, I don‘t think, to change or alter the deals put in front of Ben McKay

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, but it’s just a query as this continues to drag on and we wait an answer on Ben McKay

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.”

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-and-rumours-brodie-grundy-to-sydney-all-but-locked-in/news-story/60174986c6007e20cfb3f890771f0d53

 

[Samcro24]

He has 1 foot out the door, nearly went to NM last year will be done this year bar something going wrong
Source I have is very good and openly shares info , not all of which I post here as some can be incriminating haha

Go on, we won’t tell.

 

[Geoffa32]

Depth ... can play both ends and comes cheap.

Has done ok in Ruck too.

Cheap depth, plug and play.

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[Geoffa32]

Sholl to North hey?

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I see Scholl as a bigger list clogger than Murphy.

Any trade will do.

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[MRB37]

Can't see Freo letting him go this year, he's a RFA next year isn't he?

If they can't convince him to stay next year, they just match the deal next year and force Adelaide to give that same first rounder then.

These things can also be dependent on what moves it could open for Freo getting that pick now, rather than waiting for it next year.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Go on, we won’t tell.

Sorry some has intimations of how rules are exploited.

 

[Samcro24]

Sorry some has intimations of how rules are exploited.

I was just kidding anyway.

We’d totally tell.

 

[GROTTO]

I think it would have been the plan anyway but trading in Dunkley and getting F/S gifts last year and next year (levi ashcroft) means that FA acquisitions are more useful for Brisbane because we have our picks earmarked for other things.

If Brisbane get doedee, that's probably the only major(ish) acquisition we can make with what draft picks we have.

On discussion re McCluggage on this page - he's a logical target for you and while normally I'm in favour of cashing out an asset if you know they aren't going to re-sign, think in our case retaining him for 2024 would be worth more than getting one extra first round pick. Given the age of our main forwards (daniher and cameron) hitting 30/31 we only have a few more years to try win a premiership before we have to rebuild that part of the ground.

FWIW I'd be surprised if he left and I think we'll find a way to pay him, but I have no inside knowledge. We really haven't lost anyone for several years with the exception of McStay, who got offered more than we'd ever give him.

Huge sliding doors moment for the career of Dunkley, 12 months ago being pursued by the Power and would have likely landed there if not for JHF requesting to go to Port.

Would have been part of the laughing stock at Port in 2023, to now potentially being a Premiership player.

 

[Golumless]

I'd be completely interested in giving up a first - even a top 5 pick in this draft* - to get Brennan Cox

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though. Imagine that skillset underpinning our defense for the next 5-7 years. Would go a long way to fixing the defensive fragility we have and would make an excellent partnership with Murray and Worrell for our next window.

I hope this unsubstantiated rumor has legs.

*It seems garbage for our needs anyway.

 

[GROTTO]

Update on the Brennan Cox intel I was given, seems with Pick 4 being gettable thats where most of the focus is aimed at, along with the potential Hayward deal
Towards end of trade period depending on how our cards play out (eg. Burgess as cover) and what future draft collateral we end up with we may still pull the trigger this year with a future first etc..
Otherwise he'll come as a RFA next year 100%

Does your intel include Hayward deal or just from whats being posted on here?

 

[Peter Doherty]

These things can also be dependent on what moves it could open for Freo getting that pick now, rather than waiting for it next year.

Guess I was going on the assumption we would only do it this year for a future first, that our first this year is off the table.

if it was only the future 1st on the table, Freo couldn't use until next year, unless they were to on trade this year.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Does your intel include Hayward deal or just from whats being posted on here?

Haywards name didn't come up directly no, but did say wouldn't be shocked if formed part of a deal to move on stacks of 2nd round draft collateral we wont use

 

[1990crow]

Haywards name didn't come up directly no, but did say wouldn't be shocked if formed part of a deal to move on stacks of 2nd round draft collateral we wont use

McAdam, Sholl, Doedee, Himmelberg and existing 2 second rounders.
Tonnes of ammunition for Pick 4 surely whilst taking Burgess and Chol salary.

 

[GROTTO]

McAdam, Sholl, Doedee, Himmelberg and existing 2 second rounders.
Tonnes of ammunition for Pick 4 surely whilst taking Burgess and Chol salary.

Would be a wonderful Moneyball winfall scenario if we could land all of that, while losing the players you mentioned.

Pick 4, Chol, Hayward in this trade period would give us an A+.

 

[baldandbroke]

I doubt they are going after them as key planks in their next premiership assault. Thats guys you get in relatively cheap but that can play a role and get the team back to being bare minimally competitive (as opposed to not even close to competitive) so you have some sort of control of the game at times to practice implementing your own gameplan all while you continue to draft and trade and develop for those future key planks.

Also on North. I can see Clarkson being interested in McHenry. He would love his ability to hit those short spot up kicks in moderate congestion around the half forward area. That was one of the key aspects of the Hawks in their good years under Clarko. It might be in McHenry's interests to go there too if an offer presented. He will struggle in our slow, congested, contest based gameplan (a lot like Ricky Henderson) whereas in a Clarko gameplan I think he'd go a lot better (much like Hendo did).

I’ll try and post examples later, but did anyone else notice multiple instances where Tex and McHenry had open disagreements and interactions IN GAME this year?

To me, McHenry looks on the outer. There were a few times when he looked to be celebrating the good times, but a few of the direct 1-on-1s with Walker were telling.

Would not be surprised to see him moved on with a minimum of fuss.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

McAdam, Sholl, Doedee, Himmelberg and existing 2 second rounders.
Tonnes of ammunition for Pick 4 surely whilst taking Burgess and Chol salary.

pick 4 does seem to be the priority to bring in Sanders or McKercher

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Overall question to those better informed - has there been a staffing change at all that has made the AFC somewhat more savvy and daring in regards to trading in the last three years?

has anyone come in that has led this change and dare I say it a bit more exciting?

 

[skittlebrew]

Previously said to me "don't be surprised if he is on the table" nothing heard since

Doesn't sound to promising but it's still the best news I've heard all trade period because...

 

[skittlebrew]

I’ll try and post examples later, but did anyone else notice multiple instances where Tex and McHenry had open disagreements and interactions IN GAME this year?

The bloke is a complete headless chook. Imagine having Ned's complete lack of footy iq and arguing with Tex coming off a lifetime in footy and still being no2 in the Coleman. He's beyond help.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Overall question to those better informed - has there been a staffing change at all that has made the AFC somewhat more savvy and daring in regards to trading in the last three years?

has anyone come in that has led this change and dare I say it a bit more exciting?

Ever since Burton and Fagan have left there has been a less dictatorial feel
Reid and co able to be more creative and so forth rather than follow the hard direction

Remember the Gibbs deal? looked terrible on paper but Fagans ego of "just get it done" swayed the situation and us knowing full well the demons he had in the closet that he was bringing with him

 

[skittlebrew]

I'd be completely interested in giving up a first - even a top 5 pick in this draft* - to get Brennan Cox though. Imagine that skillset underpinning our defense for the next 5-7 years. Would go a long way to fixing the defensive fragility we have and would make an excellent partnership with Murray and Worrell for our next window.

I hope this unsubstantiated rumor has legs.

*It seems garbage for our needs anyway.

Why give up pick 5 now when we won't have to next year? For Cox that is.

 

[1990crow]

Why give up pick 5 now when we won't have to next year? For Cox that is.

Yeah. Ridiculous.

 

[FR0GGY]

I’ll try and post examples later, but did anyone else notice multiple instances where Tex and McHenry had open disagreements and interactions IN GAME this year?

To me, McHenry looks on the outer. There were a few times when he looked to be celebrating the good times, but a few of the direct 1-on-1s with Walker were telling.

Would not be surprised to see him moved on with a minimum of fuss.

Tex and Rachele yes, Tex and McHenry no I didn’t.