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[tinman]

Interesting we rank 3rd for clearances but only 13th for inside 50s, 13th for marks inside 50 and 14th for shots on goal

Bulldogs - 1st clearances, 4th inside 50s, 4th marks inside 50, 3rd shots on goal
Lions - 2nd clearances, 6th inside 50s, 6th marks inside 50, 4th shots on goal
Suns - 4th clearances, 5th inside 50s, 9th marks inside 50, 7th shots on goal
Demons - 5th clearances, 3rd inside 50s, 8th marks inside 50, 6th shots on goal

Suggests our clearances are ineffective at translating into scoring opportunities, at least relative to other top clearance sides

That says to me that centre clearances, at least the numbers, aren’t our problem. We don’t create enough defensive turnovers and the ones we do aren’t converted to enough inside 50’s. The chain breaks down in transition way too often.
It’s interesting how there’s different takes on the same stats.

 

[Mutineer]

That says to me that centre clearances, at least the numbers, aren’t our problem. We don’t create enough defensive turnovers and the ones we do aren’t converted to enough inside 50’s. The chain breaks down in transition way too often.
It’s interesting how there’s different takes on the same stats.

Actually when you drill down deeper into the stats we are Numero Uno for stoppage clearances (27.8) but 14th for Centre clearances (11.6), Doggies and Tigers = 1st for centre clearances (13.9). Surprisingly the Tigers are 18th for stoppage clearances.

Surely Binuk should be able to do somthing with these stats.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Actually when you drill down deeper into the stats we are Numero Uno for stoppage clearances (27.8) but 14th for Centre clearances (11.6), Doggies and Tigers = 1st for centre clearances (13.9). Surprisingly the Tigers are 18th for stoppage clearances.

Surely Binuk should be able to do somthing with these stats.

Aren’t we good at stoppage clearances because of the numbers we have around the ball, partly by pushing our small forwards up the ground? Looks good as a stat but not very effective.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Little Neddy is one of the very best spot up kicks to a leading forward at the club, surely you've noticed that part of his game.

Can’t be too many of them given he averaged only 5.8 kicks a game last year

 

[Scorpus]

Can’t be too many of them given he averaged only 5.8 kicks a game last year

Actually he only averages 3.9 effective kicks per game, so roughly 2 of those 5.8 kicks don't actually spot up a target

 

[jackster83]

Aren’t we good at stoppage clearances because of the numbers we have around the ball, partly by pushing our small forwards up the ground? Looks good as a stat but not very effective.

We also have a negative clearance differential (conceding 40.1 clearances per game). We play a high stoppage game style but we aren't overly good at them.

 

[dogs105]

Aren’t we good at stoppage clearances because of the numbers we have around the ball, partly by pushing our small forwards up the ground? Looks good as a stat but not very effective.

I think we had the most clearances in the league, but the worst clearance for/against last year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Actually he only averages 3.9 effective kicks per game, so roughly 2 of those 5.8 kicks don't actually spot up a target

The ineffective ones are shots on goal

 

[1970crow]

the fact Laird is considered to be our “elite midfielder” just goes to show how bad our midfield has been over the last couple of seasons.. essentially one of the leagues worst

getting 30+ possessions a game doesn’t instantly = elite.

our 4 mids regularly out-disposal their opponents whilst getting absolutely creamed. I definitely thought there was an improvement later in the year though. They need to be challenged to move with the ball instead of just hacking forward off a step.

 

[1970crow]

Foot soldier is also a pretty poor description.

He would be in the top 2 mids for most clubs and top 3 for the other 4-5 clubs.

And before you complain about the midfield rotation again, actually provide the CBA stats that that show he’s getting significantly more time than other similar mids

there's a bit more to a midfield rotation than CBA's. You may not have noticed that they only occur to start each quarter and after goals. You massively overate the value of little hurt accumulators across the comp. Check Crouch's AFL stats for the year, accumulation simply isn't enough.

 

[1970crow]

Who won the Centre Clearance tally in that game Port or the Crows?

is that the only metric that determines which midfield wins the battle? We've valued stats ahead of outcome for years, not surprising it's all you look at.

 

[1970crow]

You could argue the quality of our clearances but across the season our midfield actually stacks up OK re clearance numbers.

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raw stats, very funny. We rank 12th for clearance differential and 18th in least opponent clearances per game. We're high in clearances won because our games have more clearances than the others. Which is why we are bottom for clearances conceded. But what matters is the battle between us and our opponents and we're 12th in that stat. And that's before we factor in quality of clearances. Nice own goal though, glad you brought it up.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I think we had the most clearances in the league, but the worst clearance for/against last year.

No we were 12th for clearance differential

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

there's a bit more to a midfield rotation than CBA's. You may not have noticed that they only occur to start each quarter and after goals. You massively overate the value of little hurt accumulators across the comp. Check Crouch's AFL stats for the year, accumulation simply isn't enough.

Obviously but there are but the stats on stoppages attended arent available.

I never mentioned Crouch so that’s a dumb point.

Can you provide any evidence to support your claim?

 

[LoBu]

Richmond had a lot of quality and guys that played their roles but really Martin won them the flags. I doubt they win any without him. As good as Rankine might be, he is not going to be that good.

Why not? Rankine did it in the under 18s nationals, it's a massive step up but he's exactly the player I would expect to be as good as Martin in terms of match winning performances. It's too early to rule out anyway.

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Feel like we win a lot of clearances in the D50 when we have extra numbers around the ball, only to then concede a repeat I50 when we hoof to a 1 on 3

 

[George CantStandYa]

Feel like we win a lot of clearances in the D50 when we have extra numbers around the ball, only to then concede a repeat I50 when we hoof to a 1 on 3

Exactly, I’m sorry but Nicks is a bit of an idiot. He needs to rethink some stuff this year otherwise he won’t have a long coaching career, doesn’t seem he has though if Dawson is playing defence.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Yeah, I posted that on Thursday. Brown is only an inch shorter than Seeds who turns 31 in just over a week away. Brown played on the wing or in defence in his VFL games and appears to be a reasonable kick.

Brown shown no where near as much as seedsman had when he left.

However Brown always needed time..

Cut 1 year early imo

Could surprise

 

[jackster83]

Feel like we win a lot of clearances in the D50 when we have extra numbers around the ball, only to then concede a repeat I50 when we hoof to a 1 on 3

That way we get both a clearance and a rebound 50 stat.

stoppage and defensive coaches high five each other

 

[MRB37]

No we were 12th for clearance differential

I suspect our clearance numbers may be inflated due to wanting to slow down games and turn them into arm wrestles at times to prevent large blowouts. We led the league in stoppage clearances at 27.9, but we were also had the worst opposition stoppage clearances numbers at 28 a game. Total numbers we were 3rd best at 39.4, but also last on opposition average at 40.1 per game.

This then also leads to some increased tackle numbers too which we saw this year especially with the crazy numbers Laird and Berry put up.

 

[1970crow]

I suspect our clearance numbers may be inflated due to wanting to slow down games and turn them into arm wrestles at times to prevent large blowouts. We led the league in stoppage clearances at 27.9, but we were also had the worst opposition stoppage clearances numbers at 28 a game. Total numbers we were 3rd best at 39.4, but also last on opposition average at 40.1 per game.

This then also leads to some increased tackle numbers too which we saw this year especially with the crazy numbers Laird and Berry put up.

It's funny how clear that picture is. And yet we have supposedly knowledgeable posters pasting in raw clearances won stat to suggest our midfield is the 3rd best in that area. Last for clearances lost and 12 for differential but all that matters is the win stat.

 

[skittlebrew]

Can’t be too many of them given he averaged only 5.8 kicks a game last year

They're dinky 20m kicks under no pressure that anyone could and should be able to nail.

Show me the footage of his long penetrating kicks into the forwardline?

Oh what's that you can't? Because they don't exist... no shiiieeettttt

*happy for you to post evidence to the contrary Mutineer, holding my breath starting now...

 

[Mostyn]

They're dinky 20m kicks under no pressure that anyone could and should be able to nail.

Show me the footage of his long penetrating kicks into the forwardline?

Oh what's that you can't? Because they don't exist... no shiiieeettttt

There's a bunch of times McHenry dropped his eyes and hit up someone in the forward line.

I guess you can argue everyone in the AFL should be doing that, but for whatever reason they don't.

He has his obvious flaws, but this is one of his strengths.

 

[skittlebrew]

There's a bunch of times McHenry dropped his eyes and hit up someone in the forward line.

I guess you can argue everyone in the AFL should be doing that, but for whatever reason they don't.

He has his obvious flaws, but this is one of his strengths.

Show me the evidence, that's all I ask...

 

[George CantStandYa]

Show me the evidence, that's all I ask...

Will heat maps do?