List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Cobbler]

Dogs are playing Lobb on the wings for extended periods to obviously space out their talls.

I wonder if that was the great coaching and utilising of his strengths he was hoping for.

Without looking at any data he ranks around dead last for players used on the wing.

 

[Docker82]

WC can get both English and Naughton for absolutely nothing next season. One as a free agent and one as an uncontracted PSD pick as they finish last again.

If the Dogs are losing both of them next year THEY will be the ones trying to sell them this year and it won't cost anything close to Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

AND our early second for Naughton.

Personally think the English bit will happen whilst Naughton will end up staying at the Western Bulldogs.

English has a partner that plays netball in WA and probably goes home last year if West Coast has a semi-decent season.

Money talks and without English on the books surely the Western Bulldogs can pay Naughton enough to stay.

 

[Docker82]

I really dislike mega-trades.

I’m not sure how many of these ‘mega trades’ I’ve ever seen go through tbh. I’m talking trades with 4+ clubs and 3+ players involved - it doesn’t really happen ever. Even last years ‘mega-trade’ involved two players.

It always seems to be easier to get these trades done with 2-3 clubs involved.

Anyway I can’t see West Coast trading pick one unless they get a top five pick (and more obviously) in return, even if it involves getting a player like English.

West Coast have seemed pretty content to not really worry about AFL-ready rucks for now. They seem quite content having the not quite AFL standard Bailey Williams and the well past it Nic Nat playing that role for them. They contracted them both until 2024 which just happens to be when Tim English becomes a free agent. It’s been their plan from the beginning imo - I can’t see them throwing away picks a year early.

 

[gungho]

The next contract for Walters should be his last. He's 32 and while he hasn't ever been basing his game on athletic ability we are in the stage where his body being able to back up week after week will decide. Two years in my opinion, with the second year being a coaching contract where Walters is on the rookie list for salary cap reasons and he starts the year as a player but finishes the year as a coach.

If we are making a run for the flag I am not sure he will sit back and look on as a coach.

 

[Superkoops]

Personally think the English bit will happen whilst Naughton will end up staying at the Western Bulldogs.

English has a partner that plays netball in WA and probably goes home last year if West Coast has a semi-decent season.

Money talks and without English on the books surely the Western Bulldogs can pay Naughton enough to stay.

I think this is exactly what could eventuate. According to Cal Twomey it could happen as early as the end of this season with Tim English a Pre-agent or end of next season as Free-agent. For Bulldogs makes sense they do this as Pre-agent. West Coast could split pick 1 for two to 10 picks and use the second of the top 10 picks along with F2 for Tim English for example. GWS comes to mind with the Tigers F1 in addition to their own.

Can’t see Naughton leaving personally. Getting a Lobb didn’t make a lot of sense but if English is to go makes a lot more sense.

 

[Dockeroo]

I’m not sure how many of these ‘mega trades’ I’ve ever seen go through tbh. I’m talking trades with 4+ clubs and 3+ players involved - it doesn’t really happen ever. Even last years ‘mega-trade’ involved two players.

It always seems to be easier to get these trades done with 2-3 clubs involved.

Anyway I can’t see West Coast trading pick one unless they get a top five pick (and more obviously) in return, even if it involves getting a player like English.

West Coast have seemed pretty content to not really worry about AFL-ready rucks for now. They seem quite content having the not quite AFL standard Bailey Williams and the well past it Nic Nat playing that role for them. They contracted them both until 2024 which just happens to be when Tim English becomes a free agent. It’s been their plan from the beginning imo - I can’t see them throwing away picks a year early.

Those mega trades are nonsense. Always SEN employees dreaming them up too. No doubt told by hutchy to “create some content” to get more clicks. All the suckers in the general public respond accordingly of course.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Darcy isn’t leaving. Been told he will re sign.

 

[King Tenz]

Darcy isn’t leaving. Been told he will re sign.

Good. Got anything else for us?

 

[BettercallSaul]

Darcy isn’t leaving. Been told he will re sign.

But….but…..narrative…..something……Jackson….something…..Geelong..sources!
You can’t argue with these facts!

 

[Carnthedockers]

Good. Got anything else for us?

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

 

[Joao]

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

Did he know when they signed him they didn't actually plan to play him on ball at all? I noticed his CBAs dried up after signing.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Did he know when they signed him they didn't actually plan to play him on ball at all? I noticed his CBAs dried up after signing.

Not sure. Had a chat with Andy on Thursday. Ripping bloke.

 

[Arkhitect]

We don’t want Naughton.
Jumping into packs everywhere inside F50 aimlessly without any semblance of a structure between him and his fellow key forwards and constant momentum sapping set shot misses.
Amiss could be taking a routine mark i50 and Naughton would come flying over the top of him out of nowhere to try and take the grab.
Yeah it looks great and the comparisons of Naughton to Carey in the 90s are apt in terms of how he attacks the ball and takes pack marks but it was a pretty simple game back them and there was no such thing as zonal defending.
Naughton is just a see ball, get ball type that completely upsets the balance of our 3 talls that we have worked so hard to find. Add the fact that he’s completely unreliable and one of the worst set shots in the AFL - no thanks.
Back in Amiss Treacy and Jackson.

Playing devils advocate, I'd pursue Naughton, but only if we had a good idea that Cox wasn't going to hang around beyond the end of his current contract. We could pair Naughton with Pearce in the backline and he'd be the closest thing to Cox that's available on the market (minus the superior foot skills).

 

[Pussinbootz]

Playing devils advocate, I'd pursue Naughton, but only if we had a good idea that Cox wasn't going to hang around beyond the end of his current contract. We could pair Naughton with Pearce in the backline and he'd be the closest thing to Cox that's available on the market (minus the superior foot skills).

You’d trade for one of the best young key forwards in the comp and then play him at full back?

Jesus Christ

 

[Superkoops]

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

Did the fact that we missed out on Angus shift narrative quite late on JOM once we became aware he was gettable? According to Walls they enquired to his management at end of 2021. Then midway through trade week it started to gain momentum - GWS and then Freo. If we secured Angus as a FA I doubt we would have gone after JOM.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Did the fact that we missed out on Angus shift narrative quite late on JOM once we became aware he was gettable? According to Walls they enquired to his management at end of 2021. Then midway through trade week it started to gain momentum - GWS and then Freo. If we secured Angus as a FA I doubt we would have gone after JOM.

I was told we were interested in JOM for quite a while, but making it a reality was created by gws enquiring, and hawks being open to it. Pretty sure this is pretty common knowledge though.

 

[King Tenz]

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

Damn, ah well. Guy probably decided to stay when Melbourne put on an extra year or 2 on that contract.

 

[Taylor]

Hopefully it's a boring off season for us, just Brockman and maybe dealing our future first into this year

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Did the fact that we missed out on Angus shift narrative quite late on JOM once we became aware he was gettable? According to Walls they enquired to his management at end of 2021. Then midway through trade week it started to gain momentum - GWS and then Freo. If we secured Angus as a FA I doubt we would have gone after JOM.

There were strong rumors about us asking Hawks about JOM a few years ago as Hawks were starting on the complete clean out. We wanted him at discount prices though and Hawks were insistent on selling him and Mitchell at "contracted player value". Putting pieces together given all the hooha about Gus last year, he was our primary target as an experienced body and we were really close.

When Meeky chose Hawks I think the club brought up the JOM thing with Hawks again and all parties sound like they were more receptive

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'm probably overly optimistic given our last month but it's really interesting to see where the club goes from here. Feel like we are pretty sorted across most positions with best 22 players and depth and it's just time and games played that's needed but I dont think they will sit back and just draft. I'm still positive that Naughton is target number 1 whether Darcy re-signs or not but getting him has to force a young talent out somewhere right? The cap would have to get toight at that stage.

 

[Dockeroo]

I'm probably overly optimistic given our last month but it's really interesting to see where the club goes from here. Feel like we are pretty sorted across most positions with best 22 players and depth and it's just time and games played that's needed but I dont think they will sit back and just draft. I'm still positive that Naughton is target number 1 whether Darcy re-signs or not but getting has to force a young talent out somewhere right? The cap would have to get toight at that stage.

Gone off Naughton big time. Would cost a million a season and we have our own home grown alternatives now for cheaper too. I could be wrong but I think Naughtons awful goal kicking will prevent him from ever being an AA player and that’s what I would expect at the price we will pay.

 

[Dayts]

I'm probably overly optimistic given our last month but it's really interesting to see where the club goes from here. Feel like we are pretty sorted across most positions with best 22 players and depth and it's just time and games played that's needed but I dont think they will sit back and just draft. I'm still positive that Naughton is target number 1 whether Darcy re-signs or not but getting has to force a young talent out somewhere right? The cap would have to get toight at that stage.

‘This is killing him’: Dogs’ myriad ways to waste Naughton ‘almost disgraceful’... and will cost them

‘This is killing him’: Dogs’ myriad ways to waste Naughton ‘almost disgraceful’... and will cost them

t.co

Basically pushing him to us now

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gone off Naughton big time. Would cost a million a season and we have our own home grown alternatives now for cheaper too. I could be wrong but I think Naughtons awful goal kicking will prevent him from ever being an AA player and that’s what I would expect at the price we will pay.

‘This is killing him’: Dogs’ myriad ways to waste Naughton ‘almost disgraceful’... and will cost them

‘This is killing him’: Dogs’ myriad ways to waste Naughton ‘almost disgraceful’... and will cost them

t.co

Basically pushing him to us now

I dont think it's a co-incidence he's having his worst year in a while (still at like 2 goals a game I might add) and Lobb just joined. I think if we got him, he has enough footy IQ for Graham and JL to make him look a lot better than he's looking at the Dogs right now but agree with Dockeroo that the price feels like it would be too much (though I'd hope we arent stupid enough to offer 1m a year).

The kicking is a big enough problem though that you'd have some doubt if you're doing the right thing if you're Bell/Walls.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I dont think it's a co-incidence he's having his worst year in a while (still at like 2 goals a game I might add) and Lobb just joined. I think if we got him, he has enough footy IQ for Graham and JL to make him look a lot better than he's looking at the Dogs right now but agree with Dockeroo that the price feels like it would be too much (though I'd hope we arent stupid enough to offer 1m a year).

The kicking is a big enough problem though that you'd have some doubt if you're doing the right thing if you're Bell/Walls.

I look at Carlton, and I am not sure you win a flag with a key forward who can't kick goals. It is just too hard.

 

[Dayts]

He just fits the timeline so well,
Can be the monster who takes the best defenders and allows Amiss to use his mobility and nous around 50 more instead of flying into packs.
Where does that put Jacko is the interesting part. Does he become a full time mid / ruck? Or does JT get relegated.
The more I see him there the more I like seeing LJ in the middle for longer